Free Movement with EU for young people?

Lots of things could be "advanced" with investment.

Anti gravity.
Faster than light travel.
Perpetual Motion

and of course

Brexit.

This is a bit of a non-sequitur. You say it needs money and investment, but Brexit is costing the economy many billions every year.

Also, it cannot be made to work as it is a fundamentally flawed concept, and will only carry on hemorrhaging the economy for as long as stupid governments keep trying to flog this dead horse.

I admit, it could be a bit less damaging if we had a government that wasn't mostly concerned with lining their own pockets from the public purse, but Brexit is also a major part of enabling the most corrupt government in living memory.

The young people concerned didn't have a vote.

Wasn't that one of the things not to be under a tory government ?

Don't be ill, poor, old or young ?

The young people concerned didn't have a vote.

I came to the UK under the EU's FOM, as well, why would I want to deny others from having the same just to prove a point?

Ofcourse according to some posters, you and I shouldn't have had the choice/freedon in the first place

I don't think however this is the last time you will see something like this, and I disagree with @SaltnPep inasmuch as the EU has many little deals it would like with the UK. This is not the first, nor will it be the last. The EU are pragmatic when they perceive a loss; so too is the UK historically.

The EU does lots of little deals with its neighbours. We can, and should expect this kind of thing in the decade to come.

@SaltnPep 48% of us didn't make a stupid choice. The referendum itself was a stupid thing.

As much as I want to say yes, I am going to say no.

There was a vote, the UK voted to leave. You can’t cherry pick…

I’m from an EU country… have lived, studied and settled down here and over my years I did as much as I can to learn the language, the culture and the history of the UK

But I was put through a lot, being shamed and told that people from my country come here to steal jobs etc.

Nah, I’m sorry, the UK has to deal with the consequences of a stupid choice.

It's not that we can't make it work, it's the reluctance to accept the boring reality of Brexit. It needs money, investment, and an expansion of the state to replicate functions that the EU did and we had outsourced as a member.

It should have been considered as an expensive decision. The idea it would save money was ludicrous. Instead what has happened is a lot of people believed they would get the money that we no longer sent to the EU.

That has not happened and imo was never likely to. I do think people were very naive on that, because having a lot of Conservative politicians campaigning for this and one's mostly known for thinking state spending is an evil, that people really thought they would get money.

As it turns out they have got less. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Perhaps the English people might regain their reputation for skepticism of domestic politicians as well as those in the EU. We would make better choices.

The trouble is that it's Brexit that is the main problem causing our country to go to the dogs at the moment (along with this batshit Brexit government), and it's something that could be undone to improve things virtually overnight.

Just "accepting it" is like finding a dog turd in your dinner and just eating it because it's there.

Depends who you’re having a go at

Wage suppression and funding shortfall are practical realities

I don't think I have ever read comments with such isolationism and exceptionalism, peppered with snobbery in my life. Is that the "Brexit Mentality" oozing hubris?

YANBU I would support this. Brexit has stolen choices for our young people that we had growing up.

Indeed, we bought train, ferry and/or plane tickets and had holidays there as we do now. If you wanted to work in Europe, you got the job offer and then applied for a work visa. Normal life that we still did when we were in the EU and wanted to work beyond the EU. The really difficult time was before that (very early in my life) when you were only allowed to take up to £50 with you (necessary economic restrictions of the time), although £50 was worth a lot more then (10 years or so after this time I started my first job and got £22 a week - before tax).

Yes that was an uniformed response, of course it’s not just teenage boys

Universities are also dependent on o/s fees so offering domestic rate to EU students will need to be squared off with dealing the short fall - who will do that?

Some of this comes from the blindness to why the EU is asking for the deal in the first place. It is wanted otherwise they wouldn’t bother.

It's about having a choice

Hospitality needs workers and can’t get them - the country isn’t run for the benefit of teenage boys

Hospitality is not staffed by teenage boys. Its an industry which employs fully grown adults who depend on it for a livelihood and deserve decent living wages. It already takes sizeable subsidies from the tax payer in the form of tax credits for staff who can't live on the wages. Depressing them even further makes that worse and it was absolutely an issue under freedom of movement when hospitality owners used it for cheap labour.

People go on about the age divide in the Brexit vote but the bigger divide was economic class - the people who hadn't benefited from Erasmus schemes for their student children, winters in Portugal, cheap chianti and travel but who had seen wages depressed and jobs lost to cheap labour. That is entirely the fault of those of us who were beneficiaries of the EU and failed to ensure the benefits and the downsides were shared more equally.

The problems with university funding was there long before Brexit and have been building up pretty much since the mass expansion without tight quality controls.

Our children do have a good future here! Why wouldn’t they? London is a global city , people move from all over the world to come and live and work and raise their kids here. I know because I see and speak to them every day. My children have a bright future here in U.K. They have EU passport s so could move to another EU country and might and that is ok too. But I bet they don’t as they have great opportunities here.
I don’t get the negativity myself.
The EU clearly want access for their young people to the U.K. why do they want this if it’s all so shit? Answer is the U.K. is world competitive in many and varied areas including science, banking, tv and film, research, medicine. London is one of the top global cities in the world. We have beautiful countryside and good weather and a stable system of governance and common law. It does rain far too much obviously but we invented ( or at least populised) the umbrella!

I wish we would just accept brexit move on and concentrate our efforts on improving this country so our young people will want to stay.
Telling all our young people to go and work abroad is basically saying we have given up on this country.
I want to feel proud of my country again and would rather spend my time and energy reforming this country so my dd has a good future here rather than needing to go elsewhere to have a decent quality of life.

@MrsSkylerWhite

Couldn't agree with you more. Reading the road ahead, we always guided both out children to pursue careers with global mobility options and they are both working towards leaving the UK as soon as they are trained. Those of their generation who are able to work, will be bearing a disporportionate burden of higher taxation and debt compared to generations that have gone before. Had there been better reciprocity in allocation of resources prior to this point, we might feel differently, but as things stand, they have been royally fucked over to prioritise the vastly different needs of older generations. Societies that prioritise the elderly at the expense of the young, instead of allocating resources more fairly are unsustainable, as evidenced by Japan. It's time to jump ship.

Overall I’d get a better deal for U.K. students / young if something is put in place

I genuinely don’t understand that post. Could you reframe it?

It’s pretty simple EU students would like a fee reduction

A shortfall that needs to be filled, I don’t think U.K. students have the capacity to do that

And I’d say more students have casual jobs than will benefit from the deal so go with the majority

I lived abroad in the EU for three years after uni. Came back because this country worked better and have stayed (and paid tax). Would love my kids to have that opportunity too.

I think this is where you and I disagree @BIossomtoes
you think what’s the problem, it’ll benefit the uk
i think the opposite. I think job availability and pay has massively improved for U.K. young people and it would be a backwards step for us.
i am all for targeted deals with say France as our closest neighbour and where numbers may be equal but not the whole EU as they vastly outnumber us in numbers alone and it would not benefit our young.

There’s zero competition from overseas students. There’s now too little demand for some courses for them to continue. There are barely any Fine Art degree courses now. The fee system worked perfectly well pre Brexit, why would anything be different now? Hospitality needs workers and can’t get them - the country isn’t run for the benefit of teenage boys.