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Is this ‘hostile unkind and petty’ I don’t think so !

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Justablueone · 18/04/2024 15:13

We have lived next door to our current neighbour for about 6 years, got on ok. No issues. She’s just come out of a very bad relationship (dv) about 8 months ago and ever since has been an absolute nightmare

At first we probably made the mistake of being too available as felt bad for her so when she asked favours we said ok (dropping to school / pick up occasionally, lift to places )

She has had a job at the same place as dp now for the last 3 months, she keeps asking for the same shifts as expects a lift. We’ve had to say no and she’s extremely pissed off and has come round today and told me I’m hostile, unkind and petty that I’m putting obstacles in her way when dp is going there at the same time and it is unfair to make her life more difficult.

I don’t think that having boundaries is hostile unkind and petty???

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2024 15:53

I think I would give her a lift if you already happen to be going wherever she is going, but not if it isn't a journey you would otherwise be making or if it involves changing your own plans or waiting around.

And it would be polite of her to offer petrol money or buy a bottle of wine or something to say thank you.

She sounds pretty rude.

clairelouwho · 18/04/2024 15:50

Honestly, I don't think you're being petty or hostile.

I would hate this kind of set-up. I like to use the commuting time to relax and listen to my audiobooks. I couldn't do that if I had to drive someone every damn day.

It's also the kind of arrangement that gets very "tying" very quickly. It means that there'll be issues if he needs to take leave, or finish early, or changes his shift patterns for any reason or wants to go somewhere before or after work. It really can limit his options and flexibility-especially if she's the sort to be dependent and to think it is something she's "owed" which given her reaction-she does.

Also, the unwillingness to pay anything towards the costs just adds to her CFery. So, she expects your DH to give her a lift to and from work, every day, pay nothing for the costs whilst she saves money on public transport?

I wouldn't mind doing it as an every now and then thing, but I'd absolutely mind being expected to do it every day, especially if she's so unwilling to contribute a penny. Height of entitlement.

PossumintheHouse · 18/04/2024 15:48

I can't believe the amount of people who are suggesting you're being petty and unkind. You were decent enough to help this woman during her time of need and she's expected more and more of you, to the point where she now believes she is entitled to a free taxi service. Soon enough she'll be after free childcare or whatever else she can take advantage of.
To not offer petrol money is a piss take. Not only is she saving on the bus fares, but she's been saving time not waiting for the bus and enjoys a more comfortable ride to and from work. What is your husband wants to decompress after work on his drive home, or he wants to go out or run errands? He shouldn't be tied to a routine for her convenience. And I bet she does expect him to stick to it, doesn't she?

Notonthestairs · 18/04/2024 15:47

The Op has been asked to pick up and collect the neighbours kids from school - so it's not just the Ops husband helping out.
I can see why that would get wearing after a while.

Firefightress1 · 18/04/2024 15:46

SabreIsMyFave · 18/04/2024 15:42

God that sounds awful!

Did you share though? It's not sharing if the other person is just taking lifts off you. It's just someone taking the piss.

Yes, she had access to a car but I did the majority of the runs. She ended up getting her own instead if sharing with her husband.

It's different from a friend because all you have in common is work and that's the last thing you want to talk about when you're going home!

Im happy to give lifts if folk are stuck, I really don't mind but car share is a no no for me now.
There's so much asssumption and expectation and I was constantly apologising for having a life and having to go places in my own bloody car.

No idea why we do that to ourselves!😆

gamerchick · 18/04/2024 15:46

RedHelenB · 18/04/2024 15:38

I don't really get the "we" regarding lifts. Surely it's up to your dp you're coming across as controlling and jealous

Is the OP doing her school runs making her jealous and controlling?

BingoMarieHeeler · 18/04/2024 15:44

Well I for one think YANBU OP 😄 people seem to have missed that she’s asking what shifts DH is doing, purely so she can match and get a lift. Fair enough if the schedules line up every now and again but shoehorning the shifts to match so that she can get a lift is like she’s essentially putting the responsibility of getting her to work, and therefore her getting her income, onto your DH OP.

dragonscannotswim · 18/04/2024 15:43

bossybloss · 18/04/2024 15:42

Be vary vary wary of this woman. Back off now . You do not need to give her any reasons. You owe her nothing. She is a cheeky fucker who will expect more and more.

This. I feel uncomfortable just reading this!

bossybloss · 18/04/2024 15:42

Be vary vary wary of this woman. Back off now . You do not need to give her any reasons. You owe her nothing. She is a cheeky fucker who will expect more and more.

SabreIsMyFave · 18/04/2024 15:42

Firefightress1 · 18/04/2024 15:39

Oh god no! I car shared with a colleague before and hated it! Especially the journey home, I just like to zone out and listen to some music so I can chill when I get home. She was perfectly pleasant but so nosey and constantly asking questions about what I was up to every minute of the day.

It lasted 3 months before I kept myself busy every day and she eventually got her own car.

Never again!

God that sounds awful!

Did you share though? It's not sharing if the other person is just taking lifts off you. It's just someone taking the piss.

Fancybed · 18/04/2024 15:41

SabreIsMyFave · 18/04/2024 15:40

Why SHOULD the OP do this if she doesn't want to? It's a free country. She can say no. It's HER car that she pays for and pays to run. She's not a bloody FREE taxi service. Such entitled behaviour 'well you're going that way anyway!' LOL, not likely.

That's not true though, it's her DH giving the lifts and it's not clear that he minds.

Fancybed · 18/04/2024 15:41

It seems to me it's OP who objects though. DH is quite willing?

SabreIsMyFave · 18/04/2024 15:40

Mnetcurious · 18/04/2024 15:38

Her attitude is bad in the way she spoke to you definitely, but what’s the issue with giving her a lift if it he’s going to the same place at the same time? It’s nice to be able to help out people, especially when they’re in a difficult situation and it’s no real extra effort.

Why SHOULD the OP do this if she doesn't want to? It's a free country. She can say no. It's HER car that she pays for and pays to run. She's not a bloody FREE taxi service. Such entitled behaviour 'well you're going that way anyway!' LOL, not likely.

Fancybed · 18/04/2024 15:40

SabreIsMyFave · 18/04/2024 15:39

Yep, it's essentially designed to shut down women when they dare to have the nerve to say no to something, and not put themselves out/sacrifice their own time and energy to do something for someone.

Men are never expected to be doormats like women are!

I hate be kind too. My willingness to do favours is far more self centred. The more favours you do, the more favours you can ask.

Justablueone · 18/04/2024 15:40

she keeps changing shifts to be on the same ones as dp he’s going to speak to his manager to see if they can have different ones

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Firefightress1 · 18/04/2024 15:39

Oh god no! I car shared with a colleague before and hated it! Especially the journey home, I just like to zone out and listen to some music so I can chill when I get home. She was perfectly pleasant but so nosey and constantly asking questions about what I was up to every minute of the day.

It lasted 3 months before I kept myself busy every day and she eventually got her own car.

Never again!

SabreIsMyFave · 18/04/2024 15:39

FiveLamps · 18/04/2024 15:34

I completely agree!

I hate #bekind.

Yep, it's essentially designed to shut down women when they dare to have the nerve to say no to something, and not put themselves out/sacrifice their own time and energy to do something for someone.

Men are never expected to be doormats like women are!

RedHelenB · 18/04/2024 15:38

Justablueone · 18/04/2024 15:16

It’s just the attitude she has like well you’re going there anyway rather than asking nicely ?

I don't really get the "we" regarding lifts. Surely it's up to your dp you're coming across as controlling and jealous

Mnetcurious · 18/04/2024 15:38

Her attitude is bad in the way she spoke to you definitely, but what’s the issue with giving her a lift if it he’s going to the same place at the same time? It’s nice to be able to help out people, especially when they’re in a difficult situation and it’s no real extra effort.

Daleksatemyshed · 18/04/2024 15:36

I've had car shares in the past and I would never expect anyone to do it for free, that's CF behaviour. OK, she's now a single parent but that doesn't mean you're obliged to fill in for her

SabreIsMyFave · 18/04/2024 15:36

@Greengumby

I would never tie myself down to a regular lift share.

It means I can’t decide to duck to the shops, go to the hairdresser or go straight from work to meet friends for dinner (without having to get permission or awkward agreement from essentially an acquaintance).

It means I can’t go into work early/late or leave early/late if I need to. I like the alone time in the car, it gives me time to decompress from my day so that when I get home I’m fully present for my family.

Just because I drive, have my own car and I’m going to the same place/direction as someone else, does not mean I’m a default taxi service.

All of this. ^ As I said, if people want the convenience of having a car, and easy access everywhere without public transport, they can buy a car!

Justablueone · 18/04/2024 15:34

I just feel like our support initially that we thought was just to help out at her lowest point is now something she feels should be ongoing and that we somehow owe her help ??! I think in all honesty she took the job thinking it would be a given she had transport

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FiveLamps · 18/04/2024 15:34

SabreIsMyFave · 18/04/2024 15:33

This. ^

@Justablueone To hell with the #bekind bullshit, and the 'you sound so mean - why can't you give lifts if you're going that way' nonsense. I had a bunch of these cheeky fuckers when my kids were young. Non-drivers and people who refused to get a car, begging/demanding lifts. I NEVER give people lifts now and neither does DH, unless it's a dire emergency.

You don't owe ANYone a lift. Tell the cheeky cow to get her own fucking car! Hmm

I completely agree!

I hate #bekind.

SabreIsMyFave · 18/04/2024 15:33

gamerchick · 18/04/2024 15:27

You were kind at the start but now she's become entitled and taking liberties.

Stop giving excuses she can come back with. Tell her you're no longer doing any school runs for her and she'll have to make her own way to and from work going forward and not to ask again. Then a lot of nos until she strops off

It's the only way to get though the thick skin.

This. ^

@Justablueone To hell with the #bekind bullshit, and the 'you sound so mean - why can't you give lifts if you're going that way' nonsense. I had a bunch of these cheeky fuckers when my kids were young. Non-drivers and people who refused to get a car, begging/demanding lifts. I NEVER give people lifts now and neither does DH, unless it's a dire emergency.

You don't owe ANYone a lift. Tell the cheeky cow to get her own fucking car! Hmm

BeachBeerBbq · 18/04/2024 15:33

Many people missed the other poimts in your OP about the lifts etc.

You are not petty. Having boundaries IS important. Otherwise you end up like the wet blankets here run to the ground🤷 And it's cert nkt petty to not reward entitled and attitude