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"Off rolling" isn't this illegal?

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Stressedgiraffe · 17/04/2024 17:53

My child has been having bullying issues at school and they cannot keep them safe. When we spoke to the school today they mentioned "off rolling" them. I thought it was an odd phrase so have Googled. It seems to be a way of getting rid of problem children without expelling them.
What do we do now? Should we just remove them from school? Will the council help?

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OhmygodDont · 17/04/2024 19:57

At a new school in theory would anyone need to know they are trans. Could they not just be another emo kid. Though I know any reason for bullying happens such as emo but it removes the trans part of the bullying. They can truly settle in as James the emo.

and I say this as someone who’s all for keeping women’s bathrooms for biological women. But your Son is no threat to other boys in the boys bathroom. Otherwise wouldn’t normal condone be all keep it secret secret at school type thing.

Stressedgiraffe · 17/04/2024 19:54

I don't know what to do. The other trans boys have been to other schools in the area and say they are just as bad.
They don't help them selves they are very emo. Which also doesn't go down well.
My priority is keeping them safe. Which probably means home schooling again

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OhmygodDont · 17/04/2024 19:50

Off rolling is illegal.

however why would you want to keep your child in a school that’s failing them miserably and doesn’t want them frankly.

You’d be failing them By keeping them somewhere like that.

Stressedgiraffe · 17/04/2024 19:48

Yes this is the same child. Hitting a Yr 7 was bad and they were suspended. As I said they are the smaller size than the year 7. And the cctv proved they were hit first.
Going into the school to resolve these issues are when off rolling was mentioned.
My question was can they do this not whether my child did anything wrong they know they did.
The bullying has been systemic for months and they snapped.

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OhmygodDont · 17/04/2024 19:45

User56785 · 17/04/2024 19:42

Technically the OP's child and the year seven are both female although maybe the school are thinking that you can't have it both ways. If you decide you are a boy then you are a boy when you punch a girl who is three years younger than you in the face.

Yes, off-rolling is illegal. My child's school got RI when they had an OFSTED and it was discovered that they had off rolled and the head was fired.

Indeed I was respecting the fact that the child identifies as male and as such the parent as well is expecting the school and peers to treat him and a him and as such a he punched a she in the jaw.

No cake and eating should be allowed in such cases.

User56785 · 17/04/2024 19:42

OhmygodDont · 17/04/2024 19:21

So this is the outcome from your year 10 son punching a year 7 girl in the face after she hit him first.

Technically the OP's child and the year seven are both female although maybe the school are thinking that you can't have it both ways. If you decide you are a boy then you are a boy when you punch a girl who is three years younger than you in the face.

Yes, off-rolling is illegal. My child's school got RI when they had an OFSTED and it was discovered that they had off rolled and the head was fired.

OhmygodDont · 17/04/2024 19:38

DoreenonTill8 · 17/04/2024 19:35

Well that's a whole different factor and why school don't want them! Not sure but is that a 13 year old punching a 10 yo in face?

My oldest is year 10. 14 about to be 15.
my middle is year 7. 12 but one of the older kids so yup 14/15 assaulting a 11/12 year old.

OhmygodDont · 17/04/2024 19:35

NinetyNineRedBalloonsGoBy · 17/04/2024 19:33

Ohhh ... is this the backstory then?

Yes ops now year 10 son hit a biological girl year 7 girl in the jaw in retaliation to nasty words and a hit. Ops child got suspended.

I very much think we are hearing a very softly softly my child is never wrong side of this story.

DoreenonTill8 · 17/04/2024 19:35

Well that's a whole different factor and why school don't want them! Not sure but is that a 13 year old punching a 10 yo in face?

NinetyNineRedBalloonsGoBy · 17/04/2024 19:33

OhmygodDont · 17/04/2024 19:21

So this is the outcome from your year 10 son punching a year 7 girl in the face after she hit him first.

Ohhh ... is this the backstory then?

BobbyBiscuits · 17/04/2024 19:29

It sounds like the bullying must have culminated in something, surely they would be disciplining/kicking out the bullies, not the victim? Is your kid bullying others also, is it basically two groups against eachother?
If they can't get along then it's best if you look for a new setting. FE colleges are more diverse, with teens (usually 14 plus) upto adults, mostly there through choice. Your child might get on better in that type setting.

OhmygodDont · 17/04/2024 19:21

So this is the outcome from your year 10 son punching a year 7 girl in the face after she hit him first.

Stressedgiraffe · 17/04/2024 19:13

It's a mixed group of kids different years.
They get followed and have verbal abuse thrown at then in town too, even getting the bus is problematic and the bus drivers have intervened at times

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Youzaname · 17/04/2024 19:12

Sorry you and your child are going through that. There seems to be a real witch-hunt against trans people at the moment.
Are they a teenager? Whatever reports come out there will still be trans teenagers. I don’t know what to advise it must be very difficult at the moment.

DoreenonTill8 · 17/04/2024 19:06

Stressedgiraffe · 17/04/2024 18:25

The school can't deal with a emo ftm trans kid who is being bullied verbally and physically. We finally got them to look at their ctv and they admitted that they can't keep them safe unless they do all their lessons in a safe space area and stay in for breaks.

Is it the same person/group bullying them?

Devon1987 · 17/04/2024 18:46

Report it to your LA and ofsted. Off rolling is illegal, it’s basically forcing a parent to agree to take their child off the school’s roll so the school have no responsibility to fix the bullying/ support mental health/sen needs. Schools try to tell parents that they can’t support needs or do anymore but legally they have too.

willstarttomorrow · 17/04/2024 18:44

Just to add- I also deal with lots of secondary schools as part of my job as a child protection social worker. Most primary schools are incredible at working with the most vulnerable. As soon as they move up to year 7 and do not have the right uniform, the wrong pens, parents who are unable/unwilling to support education these young people just get lost. Not individual teachers or pastoral staff at fault generally- senior management just run our huge high schools like a business because that is the system these days.

Musiclover234 · 17/04/2024 18:42

3!!3! c

willstarttomorrow · 17/04/2024 18:39

My DC's outstanding school had OFSTED in and were straight to requires improvement when a parent reported them for 'off rolling'. However, in this case it was moving children to an alternative provision within the trust because these children, for what ever reason, were bringing down things they are measured on. Pretty standard within academy chains to send problems elsewhere if that child does not manage to fit into their 'one size fits all' business approach.

Rummikub · 17/04/2024 18:38

Stressedgiraffe · 17/04/2024 18:13

Yes the deputy head used that term.
We have another meeting with school on Friday. They don't want them in school but we think the bullying will continue where ever. So don't really have a solution except home school.

What year is your child in?
I do suggest speaking to the LEA.
Some colleges will take students from age 14. It’ll depend on what schemes are available in your area.

Stressedgiraffe · 17/04/2024 18:25

The school can't deal with a emo ftm trans kid who is being bullied verbally and physically. We finally got them to look at their ctv and they admitted that they can't keep them safe unless they do all their lessons in a safe space area and stay in for breaks.

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Zola1 · 17/04/2024 18:23

I have some doubts especially that school would say off roll.. double especially for a victim of bullying

Summerishere123 · 17/04/2024 18:21

Hmmm, you have written this like your child is a victim of bullying but I suspect they are in fact the bully? If this is the case, it is up to you, not the school to fix.

Beatrixslobber · 17/04/2024 18:18

I don’t understand why they would remove the victim? Am I reading it wrong?