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About pay review and bonus at work

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frankentall · 17/04/2024 12:47

Been at my job just over a year and so asked about pay review. Apparently these are given in July - so I missed last July as was too new and have to wait until this July.

My offer said 10% bonus. Similarly apparently no bonus until July BUT also not mentioned - it's not necessarily 10% - or indeed anything at all.

I guess I should have made more detailed enquiries at the time.

My contract just says "Your salary will be reviewed annually, and you will be notified in writing of any change to your salary" - it doesn't mention having to wait more than a year for the first review,
and it doesn't mention bonus at all except to say it won't be paid if I have given notice.

I've talked to my boss (and at his request to my boss's boss) both say that's just the way things are done and there's nothing they can do.

I am not in a Union and we don't have salary transparency.

I took a pay cut to do this job as it's something I wanted to do, but very much on the expectation of a 10% bonus. AIBU?

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ememem84 · 17/04/2024 15:49

fairly standard to have a pay review annually. but the whole business usually does it at the same time.

in my place we start the review process in February, decisions are made in March, bonuses paid in march payday and then pay rises effective 1 April.

if someone starts in January they will be on probation so they won't get a review. same if on notice. no bonus. no payrise. we typically see that people leave after 1 April if they aren't happy with their pay.

reallytimetodeclutter · 17/04/2024 15:19

Sounds like you'll have an appraisal and pay review in July, I'd be inclined to wait until then and see what's said about bonus. You might well get one, but they won't tell you then as they'll need to do their budgeting for the entire financial year. And review your performance.

They won't want piecemeal pay reviews throughout the year obviously - that'd be a nightmare.

Were you still in a probation period when the last July pay review happened? If they were doing percentage pay rises across the board then it's a shame you missed out if you were a few months in. You could mention this in your July pay negotiations if necessary

DaisyHaites · 17/04/2024 15:13

I think most companies wouldn’t give a pay rise until the first pay review date after you’ve been there for a year.

I assume your salary has also been reviewed annually, in that it was set in 2023 and will be reviewed in July 2024.

And bonuses are discretionary. 10% is probably typical but will likely depend on yours and company performance in the year.

It’s annoying but you’ve just misunderstood how it works and didn’t clarify. I don’t think the company have done anything wrong.

NigelHarmansNewWife · 17/04/2024 15:09

I've had a number of bonuses over my working career. Certainly not every year. I work hard and have had to step up/step in a number of times for different employers. Where I work now is a listed company and there is usually an annual pay rise - we got it early last year to help with CoL. There is an incentive scheme for some grades. What that pays is dependant on company performance and it's a share award.

Presumably you have objectives and an appraisal? If you've exceeded your objectives that's the time to ask for a bonus.

peachgreen · 17/04/2024 15:00

frankentall · 17/04/2024 14:13

No, private sector my whole career and previously a contractor. This has all been brought into sharp focus by inflation and costs of living.

You've been very fortunate not to encounter this before! I used to work for a similar private org. – guaranteed bonuses for up to 20% (and at least 10% even for the worst performers!) and an annual pay increase of inflation + an extra 1-5% depending on performance. It was my first job and I thought it was fairly normal – it was very hard to leave behind once I realised it wasn't!

Having said that, I bet they don't operate that way any more. Things have changed dramatically for businesses as well as for workers and there just isn't the room for that kind of thing these days, depressing as it is.

Whateveer · 17/04/2024 14:52

All standard. Foolish to rely on a bonus as part of your salary.

Chocolatelabradorsarethebest · 17/04/2024 14:20

I agree with everyone else, I'm not sure what you're questioning as everything is completely normal.

Bonus is discretionary and as others have said will be based on certain metrics. Ask for the bonus plan rules/criteria if you're not sure. At my company we have a 10% bonus level, but that's 'target', i.e. if performance metrics are reached of X,Y,Z then 10% is paid out. Although 10% is target, the actual payment may be more or less depending on if we under/over achieve (there is a minimum for any bonus to be paid out).

meganorks · 17/04/2024 14:14

A bonus is always based on individual/company performance though. Otherwise it would be your salary.

And also fairly standard to get a pay review at a certain time of year with everyone being reviewed at the same time.

I think you've been a bit naive to think the 10% was guaranteed or that your annual pay review would be bang on 1 year.

frankentall · 17/04/2024 14:13

peachgreen · 17/04/2024 14:08

Have you come from the public sector, OP? Everything you're experiencing is normal and ime in the private sector you should never count on bonuses or annual pay rises as it's not unusual for neither to actually happen, unless they're contractual. For example, I have a contractual "annual pay review" but that doesn't actually guarantee I'll get a raise at that point.

No, private sector my whole career and previously a contractor. This has all been brought into sharp focus by inflation and costs of living.

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peachgreen · 17/04/2024 14:08

Have you come from the public sector, OP? Everything you're experiencing is normal and ime in the private sector you should never count on bonuses or annual pay rises as it's not unusual for neither to actually happen, unless they're contractual. For example, I have a contractual "annual pay review" but that doesn't actually guarantee I'll get a raise at that point.

MartinsSpareCalculator · 17/04/2024 14:08

It's all very standard. Of course pay reviews within most businesses are carried out at a setpoint, else it would never end.

Why would you accept a job without properly reading and understanding the contract of employment, and querying any discrepancies before signing?

MathiasBroucek · 17/04/2024 14:07

I'm a pay consultant. Everything you describe is completely normal

idontlikealdi · 17/04/2024 14:07

Entirely normal to have an annual review cycle, although as PP said much more usual to be end of year / end of April.

Is you bonus contractual and have you fulfilled the demands? All contractual bonuses have ben been withheld in my company this year as the criteria haven't been met.

Starbugg · 17/04/2024 14:05

All sounds pretty standard to me.

frankentall · 17/04/2024 14:04

Thanks all for the replies - a lot of food for thought.

The company is making plenty of profit - but that may of course be by ensuring they never give much in the way of rises :)

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Appleblum · 17/04/2024 14:03

It's pretty standard for companies to hold pay reviews once a year at a certain time - July in your case.

The only bonus I've seemed guaranteed is when they promise you a 13th month bonus. Other than that it's always discretionary.

Your company's policy sounds pretty standard.

Clearinguptheclutter · 17/04/2024 14:02

Bonuses are never guaranteed and are often more to do with company rather than personal performance, or a mixture. You should never have relied on getting a bonus.

unfortunately it’s quite normal for pay rises to be very hard to nail down these days. However it sound like July is not much more than a year after you joined?

Ilovemyshed · 17/04/2024 13:59

Bonus is generally discretionary unless a specific amount is written into your contract. Its also usual that bonuses are only paid if the company hits certain financial targets so for example a 10% of tour gross salary bonus paid out if the company hits £xx profit and a sliding reduction or increase on a percentage basis depending on company results.

mynameiscalypso · 17/04/2024 13:58

Didimum · 17/04/2024 12:59

Opinions will differ but to me this is entitlement culture – I don't think employees deserve pay rewards simply for time served that are not related to performance. However, if the company has cultivated this entitled culture with its employees and then not clarified when it applies, then that's on them.

Yes, I think when taking a pay cut, it is on you to determine all the details that make that a dealbreaker or not to you.

Wherever I've worked, pay rises are linked to inflation and the cost of living. If inflation is going up but you don't follow that with pay rises that are in line with that, people will end up being 'poorer' each month. Obviously promotions are different

frankentall · 17/04/2024 13:55

Flyonthewall01 · 17/04/2024 13:18

from my experience you never get a pay increase in your first year as the company assumes you were happy with the salary when you accepted it. After judging you’d performance by the next review they might then give you a % increase.
in terms of bonus it tends to up to x% with a percentage of that based on your performance and the rest on the company’s performance so unless the company has hit all its goals and you exceeded expectations then you won’t get 10%

I'm not asking for a review in the first year - I have completed the year.

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frankentall · 17/04/2024 13:53

Stomster · 17/04/2024 13:22

The offer was probably that your bonus could be up to 10% of your salary but that would likely be subject to a range of performance indicators being met - both your own and the company's.

I think that's what they probably should have said - "up to" etc - but they didn't say that at any point, either in writing or verbally.

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frankentall · 17/04/2024 13:52

ThisIsWhatIDo · 17/04/2024 13:19

You need to check the wording of your contract; when I worked in a role with a bonus it said something along the lines of it being discretionary subject to performance and the company's success. Also that being paid the bonus one year did not guarantee future bonus payments.

As stated in my OP there is zero mention of the bonus in my contract except to say it's not paid if someone's leaving.

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Sparklybanana · 17/04/2024 13:30

I've had bonuses as part of my contract but in 3 jobs I've only ever had it twice since 2008. What irks me most is that the crickets can be heard bit no manager actually goes through why there is no bonus.
Pay rises - push for one at any time of the year. If you think there is a valid reason then ask for one. I have had tweaks to pay from their side but the largest increases have been from my persistence. Unfortunately those reasons are because of pay discrepancies.

MogTheMoogle · 17/04/2024 13:26

It sounds like a timing thing - often if you've only been in a role a couple of months or still in probation you wouldn't be eligible for a pay review last year, at July.

It sounds like they do happen annually, just not on your work anniversary but inline with the company. If you'd started November, it sounds like you'd have had review 7/8 months in.

Bonuses are bonus - that said, did you check the criteria to get 10%? I wouldn't expect a 10% bonus without some "strings" so to speak...otherwise why wouldn't they just put it in your salary? Some sort of performance based - individually, team or company - or combination there of.

Stomster · 17/04/2024 13:22

The offer was probably that your bonus could be up to 10% of your salary but that would likely be subject to a range of performance indicators being met - both your own and the company's.

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