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to think baby formula should come in plain packaging?

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Yoyoyozo · 17/04/2024 04:42

Fancy packaging is used to inflate prices and extract more money from parents with phrases like 'premium' plastered on the tin. Parents shouldn't be made to feel guilty for not buying the most expensive, well-marketed brand.

Yes, parents can make their own informed decisions, but clever marketing is proven to undermine this.

A report published in The Lancet (2016) unveiled that aggressive marketing of breastmilk substitutes is undermining efforts to improve breastfeeding rates

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(15)01044-2.pdf

No, this is not equating infant formula to tobacco! The aim is to prevent exploitative marketing practices that undermine access to impartial information on infant feeding.

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Mrsjayy · 17/04/2024 09:47

Yoyoyozo · 17/04/2024 09:44

Because I hate rich people lining their pockets at the expense of struggling families.

Because formula is a breastmilk substitute.

Really do you know anything about low income families in the UK? Did you know they are entitled to free formula? And corporate will get rich which ever foods they sell.

Earwiggoearwiggoearwiggo · 17/04/2024 09:45

Why not just put it in a brown paper bag with "May cause SIDS" on it, eh @Yoyoyozo.

God, I hate this sanctimonious garbage from women who found breastfeeding easy. Those of us who've struggled already feel like scum in the supermarket, scum getting out a bottle in public etc etc. You want to improve breastfeeding rates? How about actually training midwives so they have some idea of what to do if babies refuse the breast? How about staffing hospitals sufficiently so you don't wait six hours after birth for a midwife to come to help get baby latched, and three days on a ward to see the "breastfeeding specialist midwife" who just tells you to go private if you're worried about tongue tie.

I've spent about £1k on pumps, baby osteopaths, lactation consultants, tongue tie specialists etc just to establish partial breastfeeding. If women want to waste a couple of extra quid a week buying a specific brand of formula because it makes them feel better about what they're giving their baby, that's their bloody perogative.

Yoyoyozo · 17/04/2024 09:44

iLovee · 17/04/2024 09:41

Just interested to know why you care so much?

And why you have included bits about breastfeeding in with your posts about formula feeding?

Because I hate rich people lining their pockets at the expense of struggling families.

Because formula is a breastmilk substitute.

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Yoyoyozo · 17/04/2024 09:42

@Chunkycookie Fuck what the rest of the world chooses, why do you care? Concentrate on yourself and your own children and keep your nose out of what other people do, it has fuck all to do with you.

  1. Because we live in a society not alone in a cave, so why not fight against the greed that hurts everyone?

  2. This thread is about the injustice of formula companies fleecing families, not about feeding choices. Like your cow and gate example - exactly

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iLovee · 17/04/2024 09:41

Yoyoyozo · 17/04/2024 09:37

Plain packaging is usually used for products like cigarettes with a negative connotation and using it for formula, will make it seem like using formula is bad or wrong - when it's not.

Which products? Tobacco is the only one, and it doesn't have plain packaging - it is grim with hideous photos and warnings. Tobacco will be obsolete soon anyone, no one young smokes anymore, they vape.

I have never once seen 'aggressive marketing' because they aren't allowed to. I don't even think the packaging is that enticing or attractive, or looking 'premium'.

They aren't allowed to, yet they constantly breach the marketing code. Compliance isn't necessary because fines are built into their business model. Kendamil are a great example of aggresive marketing. And people are clamouring to pay 50% more for their formula because HRH Kate is a brand ambassador and they have stuck a crown on the tin.

https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/kendal-nutricare-ltd-g22-1162944-kendal-nutricare-ltd.html

Just interested to know why you care so much?

And why you have included bits about breastfeeding in with your posts about formula feeding?

Yoyoyozo · 17/04/2024 09:40

theduchessofspork · 17/04/2024 09:30

I mean yeah, but.. bigger things to worry about?

True!!

But if you're allowed to devote an entire thread to the time you farted in yoga, I think this topic is acceptable.

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Chunkycookie · 17/04/2024 09:39

The thing that pisses me off is cow and gate and aptimil. It’s the same milk. Exactly the same, made in the same factory. But aptimil is marketed as superior so is more expensive.

I only read the first page before all the breast is best gang chimed in.

YOU breastfeed if YOU want to and if YOU can.

Fuck what the rest of the world chooses, why do you care? Concentrate on yourself and your own children and keep your nose out of what other people do, it has fuck all to do with you.

(BF two, FF one, couldn’t give a shit either way).

Yoyoyozo · 17/04/2024 09:37

Plain packaging is usually used for products like cigarettes with a negative connotation and using it for formula, will make it seem like using formula is bad or wrong - when it's not.

Which products? Tobacco is the only one, and it doesn't have plain packaging - it is grim with hideous photos and warnings. Tobacco will be obsolete soon anyone, no one young smokes anymore, they vape.

I have never once seen 'aggressive marketing' because they aren't allowed to. I don't even think the packaging is that enticing or attractive, or looking 'premium'.

They aren't allowed to, yet they constantly breach the marketing code. Compliance isn't necessary because fines are built into their business model. Kendamil are a great example of aggresive marketing. And people are clamouring to pay 50% more for their formula because HRH Kate is a brand ambassador and they have stuck a crown on the tin.

https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/kendal-nutricare-ltd-g22-1162944-kendal-nutricare-ltd.html

Kendal Nutricare Ltd

https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/kendal-nutricare-ltd-g22-1162944-kendal-nutricare-ltd.html

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theduchessofspork · 17/04/2024 09:30

I mean yeah, but.. bigger things to worry about?

Hoplolly · 17/04/2024 09:28

What is shaming about a medical product in plain package?

Seriously, you can't see why?

Switching baby formula to plain packaging could unintentionally shame parents who use it because it stigmatises it. Many parents depend on formula for various reasons, none of which are anybody else's business. Plain packaging is usually used for products like cigarettes with a negative connotation and using it for formula, will make it seem like using formula is bad or wrong - when it's not. This would only make parents feel guilty or judged, especially because there's a lot of pressure to choose breastfeeding.

Furthermore, in my 18 years of being a mother, I have never once seen 'aggressive marketing' because they aren't allowed to. I don't even think the packaging is that enticing or attractive, or looking 'premium'.

Notthebestidea · 17/04/2024 09:27

OP@Yoyoyozo for those who HAVE to bottle feed because we have no other choice it’s is really important to realise there may be differences in formula brands. I had to put mine on formula in hospital on midwives advice having been presuming I would breast feed…the staff were not officially allowed to advise which brand but 1 staff member kindly did suggest 1 brand above the others. I do feel women having to formula feed should have as much choice around brands as possible . I suggest you should really be more worried about the women who are currently having to water down feed because they can’t afford their food costs at present…poverty is by far a more risk to babies health then whether or not their mums breast feed them.

Yoyoyozo · 17/04/2024 09:27

Mrsjayy · 17/04/2024 09:22

It isn't a medical product is baby food I.mean you do get prescription milk because of allergy/illness but you also get prescription bread because of celiac disease doesn't mean all bread is medicine.

It is a medically necessary product. People with celiac disease can survive without bread. A baby with no access to breastmilk cannot survive without formula, therefore it cannot be compared to food or any other product.

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WhatNoRaisins · 17/04/2024 09:24

See I think that's the problem when heath care workers are so reluctant to talk about formula, you then have to educate yourself from the advertising. I think those that do feel guilt about breastfeeding not working out are going to want what they believe is the best formula. It's important to talk honestly about how there is little difference between the brands.

Mrsjayy · 17/04/2024 09:22

It isn't a medical product is baby food I.mean you do get prescription milk because of allergy/illness but you also get prescription bread because of celiac disease doesn't mean all bread is medicine.

Yoyoyozo · 17/04/2024 09:20

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 17/04/2024 09:12

@iLovee marketing and advertising is a lot more complex than something being 'pretty" though. Premium packaging/price suggests higher quality, when that may not actually be true at all.

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MidnightPatrol · 17/04/2024 09:20

It is expensive.

id be interested to see the manufacturing cost vs the sale price / shops mark up

Yoyoyozo · 17/04/2024 09:19

saraclara · 17/04/2024 08:54

That. It's hard enough for women to deal with not being able to breastfeed without being psychological shamed by having to purchase food for their baby which is treated in the same way as cigarettes.

This action would basically put formula on the same level as something that is both socially unacceptable and kills.
What a cruel thing to do to a mother whose already feeling terrible

I can't believe that you can't see that,@Yoyoyozo

What is shaming about a medical product in plain package?

Cigarette packaging is not plain, it is covered in warnings and photographs of cancerous tumours and dying people.

But, since you raised it, formula feeding does increase risk of death by pneumonia, SIDS, and many more ailments. We should not even go into that, it will send the thread into a frenzy. Awful facts, yes. Terrible to hear as a mother who is formula feeding, yes. But to hide these facts would be patronzing and prevent parents from making an informed choice.

This isn't a feeding debate thread, it's about the disgusting lack of ethics in our hypercapitalist society and the normalising of marketisation of infant health.

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Readytoevolve · 17/04/2024 09:15

It’s not the packaging enticing mothers. It’s lifestyle, poor support and fear (of sore nipples)!!
let's not bash formula users, it’s really not anyone’s business.

ALovelyCupOfNameChange · 17/04/2024 09:14

Is there still zero information out there on formula?
ten years ago when I had mine I needed formula, there was no information out there. I spent a long time trying to research what would be best
there was no support or help to guide me.

fed is best. It’s important to allow parents to make informed decisions not make them feel like they are making a dirty choice.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 17/04/2024 09:12

@iLovee marketing and advertising is a lot more complex than something being 'pretty" though. Premium packaging/price suggests higher quality, when that may not actually be true at all.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 17/04/2024 09:10

x2boys · 17/04/2024 08:45

Well babies need , feeding
So if a," poorer family " has chosen to formula feed ,I'm sure they have factored this into their budget ,I don't think they need your g
faux concern.

To be fair, some poorer parents are really struggling to feed their children, be that with food or formula, hence the rise in demand at places like foodbanks.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 17/04/2024 09:09

I always thought there was a minimum price for baby formula anyway so prices wouldn't go down that much. The good thing is that families on low incomes will get healthy start vouchers which should cover most of the cost.

Unpopular opinion though - a few years ago I definitely thought mums should be able to feed their babies however they choose. But, after massive shortages and precarious supply levels due to covid, production problems, toxic materials and so on, I now think any mother who can breastfeed should breastfeed even if it's hard and leave the formula for babies who genuinely have no other option when supplies run out again.

Yoyoyozo · 17/04/2024 09:03

Mrsjayy · 17/04/2024 08:33

So do you feel the same about baby food companies with their bright colourful packaging ? Formula is not shameful Formula is a baby food, a viable option for many babies and their carers wrapping your views up as "concern" Is not only insulting but dangerous for those parents and carers who just want to nip into the supermarket and choose the brand the in peace.

Baby food marketing is also awful but it's not the same - you don't have to feed your baby pre-packaged baby food.

If you can't breastfeed then you have no other choice Nothing can compare to formula. It is medically necessary. It is a regulated recipe. So why market it?

Who said anything about shame? Not sure why you're mentioning the potential for it to be shameful?

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willywallaby · 17/04/2024 09:00

Mrsjayy · 17/04/2024 08:33

So do you feel the same about baby food companies with their bright colourful packaging ? Formula is not shameful Formula is a baby food, a viable option for many babies and their carers wrapping your views up as "concern" Is not only insulting but dangerous for those parents and carers who just want to nip into the supermarket and choose the brand the in peace.

No I don't feel the same because baby food isn't a medically necessary product. It's the same as any other food and not as tightly regulated as to contents. For baby food you can definitely advertise based on this one has less sugar, is organic, tastes better or whatever. There aren't many things about different formula brands that are relevant to the consumer and not just spin.

WhatNoRaisins · 17/04/2024 08:57

x2boys · 17/04/2024 08:51

Do you not think new mothers will have considered they might have to formula feed?
Wether it's a choice ti formula feed or a medical or a medical need, the baby still needs to be fed .

I don't know how it is now but I remember NCT refusing to even talk about formula. It was all breast is best and you don't even need to buy formula just in case so yes there is definitely a proportion of pregnant women who don't even consider that they may have to formula feed.

And seriously patronising? Stretching of formula milk still happens in the UK, many families really struggle with budgeting.

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