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Thinking that women would benefit if they were more open minded about height in a potential partner…

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Moonfishstar · 16/04/2024 13:08

… and not write off the majority of men who are under 6 foot (85%).

Women seem to be fighting for a small proportion of men - with the disappointment that will inevitably bring to the many who inevitably won’t succeed. Of course, it’s even crapper for the good,
but short, men out there.

Of course, we all fancy who we fancy, and I’m not saying we should date shorter (or even average!) men out of pity or a “sense of fairness”, but how much of women’s desire to bag a tall guy is actually societal, and down to how they think other women will view them?

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theduchessofspork · 17/04/2024 00:41

Moonfishstar · 16/04/2024 13:30

There’s tons of evidence on this… masses of it. Here’s another one:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/after-service/201909/5-reasons-why-women-and-men-care-about-height?amp

This isn’t evidence OP - it’s random articles and data from dating sites saying women prefer tall men, which I think they broadly do, but I know few if any women who will only date a man of six foot or over. I can think of a few who say they wouldn’t date a bloke shorter than them, but I also know a good few who do.

Brawcolli · 17/04/2024 00:34

Moonfishstar · 16/04/2024 23:40

I struggle to believe you’ve never met anyone who has cared at all about height, and that every woman you’ve ever know would have tossed a coin to choose when presented with a 5ft man and a 6ft man who were identical in every other way.

I’ve also never heard any of my friends discuss or care about a man’s height 🤷‍♀️ why are you so insistent that all women care about height?

Angelsrose · 17/04/2024 00:20

YABU because most women aren't that bothered.

DorisDoesDoncaster · 17/04/2024 00:18

BananaLambo · 16/04/2024 23:22

If he was such a prick why did you get engaged to him?

His true colours only came out once he thought he had sealed the deal with a very large sparkly ring.

By your response you’ve probably never had the misfortune of being with such a cretin, but if you would like to learn more about their ilk, have a read of Lundy Bancroft’s book on them.

Would not wish their type on my worst enemy.

Dibbydoos · 17/04/2024 00:14

@Moonfishstar so short men are better behaved or more 'gentlemanly' than tall men? Is that your experience?

Personally I only date men taller than me - my hubby was less than 2 " taller than me, so he was c5'10". I never really went for very tall men...

Gymnoob · 17/04/2024 00:06

out of pity or a “sense of fairness”

Very incely.

You know we are just humans too. This isn’t some kind of conspiracy. Everyone’s just getting on with their lives as best they can. Remembering to pick up some milk on the way home. Put that wash on. Take the bins out. Muster energy to feed oneself. Finally sit down and turn on the tv (or MN).

It takes effort to find someone who’s also in a place where they have energy to be with someone. It’s quite miraculous it happens at all. And half of those that do break up anyway. So don’t be so tough on yourself, or us 🙏

WildBear · 17/04/2024 00:06

I'm male and 5'9. In the past I didn't want to date a woman taller than me. Ideally 5'5 or 5'6 if they wear heels! Saying that, if I fell for someone who happened to be 5'10, then who knows, it wouldn't have been a 100% no. As it turns out, the woman I went on to marry is 5'2! Long term gf when I was 18 was 5'6.

Girlwithred · 16/04/2024 23:58

I used to joke I only date tall men only because my then boyfriend was tallish. Surely no one actually is serious about this? I prefer intelligence.

honeybones · 16/04/2024 23:53

Most men wouldn't date a woman taller than them, so it goes both ways 🤷‍♀️

Zfactorstar · 16/04/2024 23:45

Moonfishstar · 16/04/2024 23:33

The only point to me referencing Cosmo was to say it’s a phenomenon that woman recognise too. When I googled it to make sure I wasn’t going mad, there were as many links apparently from a women’s perspective as a man’s, with one from Women’s Health underneath Cosmo.

Dating is shit at present for both sexes, men and women. Although I’m happily in a relationship now, for much of last year I was on the dating scene so know first hand. In the same way that incels will blame women for this (with this leading to tragic consequences sometimes), it’s wrong to say it’s all men’s fault too. The whole way in which society has evolved has created one hot dating mess. I’m not sure what the solution is, but it’s not to assume that it’s all the other sex’s fault, whichever sex you are.

The dating world isn't shit right now, it's changing. Women used to have to depend on a male partner to survive but that's not the case anymore. So a lot of women are either choosing to not date or enter relationships at all. Also with homosexuality not being as stigmatized anymore some women are comfortable with being with female partners. A lot of these men who turn incel or MGTOW haven't realized that the power balance is shifting and think that they shouldn't have to put in even the bare minimum to attract a partner. Women then become the the targets of there rage and inadequacy.

Moonfishstar · 16/04/2024 23:40

Blinky21 · 16/04/2024 23:11

Never met anyone who has cared about height

I struggle to believe you’ve never met anyone who has cared at all about height, and that every woman you’ve ever know would have tossed a coin to choose when presented with a 5ft man and a 6ft man who were identical in every other way.

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Zfactorstar · 16/04/2024 23:38

BananaLambo · 16/04/2024 23:22

If he was such a prick why did you get engaged to him?

I'm not the person your quoting but there could be a lot of reasons. Perhaps OP was young and the fiance was older. These types of guys like to say they like younger women because they cause less drama but the truth is they're easier to manipulate, and women there own age see through it. Good chance gaslighting and love bombing involved. Most of use have at least one previous partner that you look back on and wonder what the hell you were thinking. It shows you've grown.

Willyoujustbequiet · 16/04/2024 23:34

Nah. My boyfriends have all been at least 6ft 1".

I'm just not attracted to shorter men. You do you but I like what I like. I'd rather be alone than with someone who doesn't float my boat.

ClairDeLaLune · 16/04/2024 23:34

I’ve often said that short women should go for short men and leave the tall men for tall girls like me! We have less choice! YANBU OP!

Moonfishstar · 16/04/2024 23:33

Zfactorstar · 16/04/2024 23:09

Cosmo is a shit publication that lost its relevancy decades ago, so hardly a viable, fact checked source of information. I will never deny that there are obstacles in the way for short men dating. There are also obstacles for unattractive and socially awkward of both sexes in dating. Hell, I'm conveniently pretty and I'm shit at dating. We don't all come to the table with the same hand to play. That's life.
The mentality that men are the wronged party in the dating world and it's all women's fault for not have sex with them has lead to a lot of death at these people's hands. Just last week five died in Australia. These guys are only the victims of their own shitty life choices.

The only point to me referencing Cosmo was to say it’s a phenomenon that woman recognise too. When I googled it to make sure I wasn’t going mad, there were as many links apparently from a women’s perspective as a man’s, with one from Women’s Health underneath Cosmo.

Dating is shit at present for both sexes, men and women. Although I’m happily in a relationship now, for much of last year I was on the dating scene so know first hand. In the same way that incels will blame women for this (with this leading to tragic consequences sometimes), it’s wrong to say it’s all men’s fault too. The whole way in which society has evolved has created one hot dating mess. I’m not sure what the solution is, but it’s not to assume that it’s all the other sex’s fault, whichever sex you are.

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BananaLambo · 16/04/2024 23:22

DorisDoesDoncaster · 16/04/2024 23:17

Was engaged to a short man once. He had very angry short man syndrome, constantly looking for adoration from other women. Fits of rage if his needs were not accommodated (his preferred brand of soda, moisturiser and toothpaste for example.)

Lost his marbles when I called off the wedding.

H2B is one foot taller. Occasional princess moments, but no little emperor outbursts.

If he was such a prick why did you get engaged to him?

Wolfpa · 16/04/2024 23:21

I’m 6ft2 anyone shorter than me makes me feel like an ogre.

i would say that most women I know have a preference for people their height or taller. This doesn’t mean that they all go for tall men.

BananaLambo · 16/04/2024 23:21

Jellykat · 16/04/2024 20:46

Ever heard of short man syndrome? it does exist in some short men, they overcompensate with bad attitude..

Plus im 5ft 11 in bare feet, dated a bloke 2 inches shorter once and i felt hideously huge.. so no ta!

This is bollox and a lazy stereotype. Tall men can be wankers too.

That said, my niece is 5’10” and sturdy (not fat, but broad) and most men look ridiculous next to her by conventional standards. She struggled for a long time to find someone while her petite friends were dating like mad. She’s thrilled to have met a great guy. He’s 2 inches shorter than her and he doesn’t care about her height.

So, it’s a shame we’re so driven by what society has told us we should be looking for that we no doubt miss some real gems.

DorisDoesDoncaster · 16/04/2024 23:17

Was engaged to a short man once. He had very angry short man syndrome, constantly looking for adoration from other women. Fits of rage if his needs were not accommodated (his preferred brand of soda, moisturiser and toothpaste for example.)

Lost his marbles when I called off the wedding.

H2B is one foot taller. Occasional princess moments, but no little emperor outbursts.

ladygindiva · 16/04/2024 23:13

No interest in tall men here. All my exes have ranged from 5'4 to about 5'11.

Blinky21 · 16/04/2024 23:11

Never met anyone who has cared about height

Zfactorstar · 16/04/2024 23:09

Moonfishstar · 16/04/2024 22:58

What!? Only young incels could ever possibly use the word hypergamy? How bizarre! It’s a well known phenomenon in non-incel circles? Cosmo hardly caters to Incels does it!
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/love-sex/relationships/a45592448/hypergamy-definition/

And as for being obsessed with height, I’ve admitted that the data on this is probably distorted by the dynamics of OLD.

And I’m definitely not celibate - my partner can attest to that!… let alone a young male incel 😂

Cosmo is a shit publication that lost its relevancy decades ago, so hardly a viable, fact checked source of information. I will never deny that there are obstacles in the way for short men dating. There are also obstacles for unattractive and socially awkward of both sexes in dating. Hell, I'm conveniently pretty and I'm shit at dating. We don't all come to the table with the same hand to play. That's life.
The mentality that men are the wronged party in the dating world and it's all women's fault for not have sex with them has lead to a lot of death at these people's hands. Just last week five died in Australia. These guys are only the victims of their own shitty life choices.

SusanSHelit · 16/04/2024 23:06

I'm 4ft10.
You can keep your 6ft4 blokes. Don't need to be cracking my neck or having to stand on a step every time I want a kiss. Or to feel like I look like a child holding their hand.

5ft6 ish is ideal for me, and still a good bit taller than me!

So yabu on the grounds not everyone wants a tall man!

Moonfishstar · 16/04/2024 23:03

Punkkitty · 16/04/2024 22:45

OP, you’re not mad, it’s totally a thing.

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/22/i-will-never-understand-heterosexual-dating-cultures-obsession-with-height-just-get-a-footstool

But in reality people forget about the daft criteria they set in their heads and just meet someone and fall in love.🤷‍♀️

Thanks. Yes, of course it’s a thing… not universal clearly, but a thing nonetheless. It always has been to an extent. Small
men would tend to have the complexes they do if it wasn’t. The comments on here show how common it is, albeit the surveys exaggerate it.

i don’t get why some women are so determined to believe it’s not, and that even suggesting that it is somehow means you have to be an incel, which is preposterous!

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YankSplaining · 16/04/2024 23:03

Desecratedcoconut · 16/04/2024 14:21

But the whole, women have preferences which are mean and unkind, is a particular preoccupation with the incel crowd.

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So what? That’s not a good reason to assume a poster is secretly an incel. Back in the day, my art teacher (all-girls school) commented that she couldn’t understand why we all liked “pretty boys” like Leonardo DiCaprio (it was the late nineties) and not muscular, manly men. My mother can’t understand any of my aunt’s celebrity crushes. I can’t understand why anyone finds Channing Tatum remotely attractive.

I’m not going to assume a poster is a man posing as a woman unless they say something like, “Does anyone else hate having to take out a tampon so it won’t get soaked when you urinate?” 😂