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Thinking that women would benefit if they were more open minded about height in a potential partner…

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Moonfishstar · 16/04/2024 13:08

… and not write off the majority of men who are under 6 foot (85%).

Women seem to be fighting for a small proportion of men - with the disappointment that will inevitably bring to the many who inevitably won’t succeed. Of course, it’s even crapper for the good,
but short, men out there.

Of course, we all fancy who we fancy, and I’m not saying we should date shorter (or even average!) men out of pity or a “sense of fairness”, but how much of women’s desire to bag a tall guy is actually societal, and down to how they think other women will view them?

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Moonfishstar · 17/04/2024 05:58

Catsmere · 17/04/2024 04:42

Oh FFS OP, referring to "hypergamy" when talking about the necessity for women in the 19th century to have a marriage that would support them - this in a time when their sex and their social class meant they could not work - and talking as if it's the same situation is bullshit.

Even more so is referring to some modern fiction about the period. None of this makes you look any less like an incel MRA, however much you claim not to be. Or worse, a feMRA.

I think hypergamy exists today - and you don’t have to be an incel to think so ffs - see Women’s Health article.

https://www.womenshealthmag.com/relationships/a36958388/hypergamy-definition/

No, not every woman is, but this idea that most women have evolved into a state of pure rationality and reasonableness, and enter relationships with men with total equity without a hint of traditional gender roles is fantasy. I’m not making a moral judgment about whether this is right or wrong, it’s just reality, including for those who consider themselves progressives.

FYI: You Might Be In A Hypergamous Relationship And Not Even Know It

I mean, Daphne Bridgerton is in one, sooo...

https://www.womenshealthmag.com/relationships/a36958388/hypergamy-definition/

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Moonfishstar · 17/04/2024 05:44

Brawcolli · 17/04/2024 00:34

I’ve also never heard any of my friends discuss or care about a man’s height 🤷‍♀️ why are you so insistent that all women care about height?

I’m not insistent that ALL women care about height. Clearly that’s not the case.

But equally it’s silly to pretend that no women, or a very very tiny proportion of women, care about height, because many do, as evidenced by many studies and many posts on this thread.

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Moonfishstar · 17/04/2024 05:39

Zfactorstar · 16/04/2024 23:45

The dating world isn't shit right now, it's changing. Women used to have to depend on a male partner to survive but that's not the case anymore. So a lot of women are either choosing to not date or enter relationships at all. Also with homosexuality not being as stigmatized anymore some women are comfortable with being with female partners. A lot of these men who turn incel or MGTOW haven't realized that the power balance is shifting and think that they shouldn't have to put in even the bare minimum to attract a partner. Women then become the the targets of there rage and inadequacy.

It’s good that you don’t believe the dating world is shit at present, but a quick look at the Relationships board on here would show you that most women seem to disagree , often very strongly…..at least those are trying to date to find a relationship rather than a hook up, which is most women over 30.

Yes, women don’t “need” to be in a relationship like they did, and have more options, but that’s because the “world” (at least in the West) is better for women than it was, not the “dating world” for those looking for a relationship.

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Catsmere · 17/04/2024 04:48

What on earth is a "reactionary feminist"?

user1477391263 · 17/04/2024 04:47

The OP is probably not a man - I've seen quite a few women online who talk like this, including some "reactionary feminist" types.

Catsmere · 17/04/2024 04:42

Oh FFS OP, referring to "hypergamy" when talking about the necessity for women in the 19th century to have a marriage that would support them - this in a time when their sex and their social class meant they could not work - and talking as if it's the same situation is bullshit.

Even more so is referring to some modern fiction about the period. None of this makes you look any less like an incel MRA, however much you claim not to be. Or worse, a feMRA.

Nomoreafterthisone · 17/04/2024 04:41

Do we, as women, not compromise enough?? If a woman wants a tall man let them want a tall man 😂

Catsmere · 17/04/2024 04:36

The number of 25 year old virgins has skyrocketed over the past decade. Hypergamy seems to be more of a thing in the young than it was.

Oh here we go, "hypergamy". Tick another box in MRA Bingo.

user1477391263 · 17/04/2024 02:01

Zfactorstar · 17/04/2024 01:13

American here. No we don't. You are generalizing is just like the OP is doing. I swear the American stereotypes that pop up here are ridiculous.

My post literally says "generally" and "seem to."

Are you actually saying that it isn't OK to point out cultural tendencies even while explicitly stating that THIS IS A GENERALIZATION AND EVERY INDIVIDUAL IS DIFFERENT ETC ETC?

My experience of the US and Americans is that there is generally more emphasis on height. I stand by this observation. Of course it will depend on the individual concerned.

retinolalcohol · 17/04/2024 01:51

Also agree with a PP - on the apps, men lie about their height. I've chatted to men claiming to be 5'9 and turned up to a date to meet someone shorter than me - at 5'7.

So when I was on the apps I typically veered towards 5'10 and up - that would guarantee that even if they'd fibbed, they would likely still be taller than me. I don't want to date a man shorter.

I don't think this is an uncommon tactic employed by women, so any conclusions drawn from preferences on apps may be a bit skewed

EveSix · 17/04/2024 01:44

I'd pick shorter than me any day, providing he was also kind, funny, easy-going, capable, considerate, curious about life and showed great generosity of spirit.
Currently with tall adonis who, on reflection, doesn't tick all those boxes. Stupid mistake.

retinolalcohol · 17/04/2024 01:41

I think a good proportion of women probably prefer a considerable height difference just because they don't want to feel 'large' - they prefer to be the more delicate of a pair, which is natural IMO.

Although height isn't really the thing that does it for me. I'm 5'7 and will happily date someone 5'10. Skinny men, however- absolutely not. I'm far more likely to be attracted to a well built man at 5'10 than a 6'4 beanpole. I think it essentially comes down to the same thing though? Wanting the man to be larger.

I do think this has gotten out of hand due to social media though, and pedaling of a 'perfect' height. I have a friend who is 5'1 and demands her partners are over 6ft - she can't articulate why. I can only assume that it's because someone one day decided that 6ft was the ultimate height, so she's stuck with it! Men between 5ft and 5'9 must have a difficult time of it on dating apps - in truth most women I know filter their options so that everyone is at least 5'10. I'm 27, for reference

RainIsCosy · 17/04/2024 01:27

Height wouldn't be a factor for me. It's about personality. I once dated a guy who was way taller than me (I'm not short). I came to his armpit. I didn't like it much. He was too far away and you can't really walk with your arms around each other well. That said, if he was the right one for me, it wouldn't have been a deal breaker.

Blondiney · 17/04/2024 01:19

Men would benefit if they were open minded to dating older women. Yeah, not going to happen is it. 🙄

RogueFemale · 17/04/2024 01:18

My attraction to very tall men (with very nice hands) is visceral. But it only kicks in at 6' 3" not a mere 6'. Yes, I've fancied shorter, as well, but...

Also, let's not forget the other way around. My [appalling] father always said he couldn't fancy tall women.

Catsmere · 17/04/2024 01:14

Goldenbear · 16/04/2024 13:54

Yes, exactly, if you are referring to the UK the average height of a man is 5ft 10!!

Reminds me of a French bloke I knew who was 5'7" - we were talking about average heights and he commented that in France, he was average or a little taller than average and could see well in a crowd, but when he came to Australia, suddenly he was short and navigating crowds was harder! I was quite surprised by that.

Zfactorstar · 17/04/2024 01:13

user1477391263 · 17/04/2024 00:49

Women do generally prefer taller men and those claiming it makes no difference sound a bit disingenuous.

However, the kind of cutoff points being suggested by the OP are OTT. Most women seem to be OK with "at least slightly taller than me."

Agree that extreme height "requirements" seem to be about a) dating apps b) Americans. I think a lot of women lack a clear visual image of what men at different heights actually look like, so pick silly numbers on dating apps - or they may be banking on the fact that "men lie about their height, so if I say 'at least 5 foot 11," I'll make sure I end up with guys who are actually at least 5'9."

Americans generally (men and women) seem to be more "into" height than people in most other countries - it is striking that pretty much all recent US presidents have been tall, whereas in other comparable countries it matters much less. Ironically, Americans themselves are not, on average, very tall these days in relative terms - their average height has stagnated or even shrunk a little in the past generation, while that of Europeans has continued to grow.

American here. No we don't. You are generalizing is just like the OP is doing. I swear the American stereotypes that pop up here are ridiculous.

Zfactorstar · 17/04/2024 01:10

anothernamitynamenamechange · 17/04/2024 00:49

Those magazines are mad though.
I can remember reading an article as a teenager that suggested mouthwash would make a BJ better because it would be tingly. Literally never met a man who agreed with that. And we knew it was nonsense at the time. I don't know if the authors had bets on who could put the most ridiculous things int. But there are loads of filler-type nonsense articles like "Is the new fashion for pop socks a sign that feminism is on the rise", "Why us girls really like men with attached earlobes a PSYCHOLIGST explains", 12% of men fantasise about balaclavas - does yours???"
Years after articles were published they acquired a second life online as amazing insights into the feminine mind.

Cosmo is complete horse shit. The way it views women is almost as bad as it treats men. I swear they think we're all hypersexual office workers who cheat on there partners, can throw away 500 on a pair of shoes and have a fabulous social life. It's refuses to change with the times and has become a complete joke

PetsPalace · 17/04/2024 01:08

Were they asked tall or short and picked tall or were there more options like average or don't care? Just because a woman might answer a silly questionnaire with I want a man who is tall and a millionaire doesn't mean they won't date, love and marry a man who isn't tall or a millionaire.

Catsmere · 17/04/2024 01:02

MonsteraMama · 16/04/2024 13:20

Er, I have lots of male friends and relatives under 6' and they're all married or in relationships. Some of them with women who are -gasp- taller than them.

Maybe women just don't like dating dickheads, and all the short dickheads think it's because they're short, not because they're a dickhead. And thus nonsense like this gets spread around.

Oh gods yes. Incel type I knew online used to go on about his "morning height" vs his "evening height" and claim that women wouldn't give him a chance because he got shorter during the day, oh and because of his lazy eye. His utterly obnoxious personality and rank misogyny had nothing to do with it.

Wornoutlady · 17/04/2024 01:01

Personally, I have always liked short men and found them very attractive. I'm 5'7, in heels 5'9 and I went out with a man who was 5'4 quite happily. My husband is only about my height and most of my exes too. I suspect it has something to do ultimately with my own sense of "status" - needing to feel like an equal. I have friends who have a thing for tall men, but that's never been me. I find they loom, disconcertingly.

Catsmere · 17/04/2024 00:59

DerekFaker · 16/04/2024 13:14

I voted YABU because I don't believe that this is a widespread thing. Sounds like something incels like to moan about rather than reality.

Exactly what I thought. "Oh, look, another MRA whingeing!"

For what it's worth, OP, plenty of the married blokes I know are less than 6', and I would never have wanted a man much taller than me. I don't like being loomed over.

anothernamitynamenamechange · 17/04/2024 00:49

Moonfishstar · 16/04/2024 23:33

The only point to me referencing Cosmo was to say it’s a phenomenon that woman recognise too. When I googled it to make sure I wasn’t going mad, there were as many links apparently from a women’s perspective as a man’s, with one from Women’s Health underneath Cosmo.

Dating is shit at present for both sexes, men and women. Although I’m happily in a relationship now, for much of last year I was on the dating scene so know first hand. In the same way that incels will blame women for this (with this leading to tragic consequences sometimes), it’s wrong to say it’s all men’s fault too. The whole way in which society has evolved has created one hot dating mess. I’m not sure what the solution is, but it’s not to assume that it’s all the other sex’s fault, whichever sex you are.

Those magazines are mad though.
I can remember reading an article as a teenager that suggested mouthwash would make a BJ better because it would be tingly. Literally never met a man who agreed with that. And we knew it was nonsense at the time. I don't know if the authors had bets on who could put the most ridiculous things int. But there are loads of filler-type nonsense articles like "Is the new fashion for pop socks a sign that feminism is on the rise", "Why us girls really like men with attached earlobes a PSYCHOLIGST explains", 12% of men fantasise about balaclavas - does yours???"
Years after articles were published they acquired a second life online as amazing insights into the feminine mind.

user1477391263 · 17/04/2024 00:49

Women do generally prefer taller men and those claiming it makes no difference sound a bit disingenuous.

However, the kind of cutoff points being suggested by the OP are OTT. Most women seem to be OK with "at least slightly taller than me."

Agree that extreme height "requirements" seem to be about a) dating apps b) Americans. I think a lot of women lack a clear visual image of what men at different heights actually look like, so pick silly numbers on dating apps - or they may be banking on the fact that "men lie about their height, so if I say 'at least 5 foot 11," I'll make sure I end up with guys who are actually at least 5'9."

Americans generally (men and women) seem to be more "into" height than people in most other countries - it is striking that pretty much all recent US presidents have been tall, whereas in other comparable countries it matters much less. Ironically, Americans themselves are not, on average, very tall these days in relative terms - their average height has stagnated or even shrunk a little in the past generation, while that of Europeans has continued to grow.

WearyAuldWumman · 17/04/2024 00:45

There is an expectation that a woman will be taller than her partner.

I'm 5ft 9. When one of my aunts met my then fiancé for the first time, she took me aside to tell me that I couldn't wear high heels to the wedding.

I wore 3 inch heels. Damned near broke my neck.

Unfortunately, the photographer that the company sent out to take the pics was even shorter. Really should have gone with the independent bloke who was 6ft if I wanted flattering photographs.