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Thinking that women would benefit if they were more open minded about height in a potential partner…

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Moonfishstar · 16/04/2024 13:08

… and not write off the majority of men who are under 6 foot (85%).

Women seem to be fighting for a small proportion of men - with the disappointment that will inevitably bring to the many who inevitably won’t succeed. Of course, it’s even crapper for the good,
but short, men out there.

Of course, we all fancy who we fancy, and I’m not saying we should date shorter (or even average!) men out of pity or a “sense of fairness”, but how much of women’s desire to bag a tall guy is actually societal, and down to how they think other women will view them?

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Moonfishstar · 17/04/2024 06:51

swayingpalmtree · 17/04/2024 06:49

So your partner is 6'3"?

Yet you are telling us we should date shorter men?- why didnt you go for a shorter man then if they're so great? This means that you are part of the problem.

I’m not “telling” anyone to date shorter men! I was just wondering some women were needlessly excluding shorter men for reasons other than innate attraction, that’s all!

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swayingpalmtree · 17/04/2024 06:49

Moonfishstar · 17/04/2024 06:48

5’10 and 6’3

So your partner is 6'3"?

Yet you are telling us we should date shorter men?- why didnt you go for a shorter man then if they're so great? This means that you are part of the problem.

Moonfishstar · 17/04/2024 06:48

swayingpalmtree · 17/04/2024 06:44

OP- what height are you and what height is your partner?

5’10 and 6’3

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AuntieMarys · 17/04/2024 06:47

I'm 6 feet. Ex dh was over 6 feet and a twat. Current dh is 5 feet 8 and a star.

Noirdesir · 17/04/2024 06:47

I’m 5 11” I don’t think short men want to date me either

Exactly my point. I'm tall and I have to say, I've had nothing but snarky comments from men significantly shorter than me. I have had random men tell me I'm "too tall" for a woman. I've tried dating men shorter than me and they all had an issue with my height.

Left · 17/04/2024 06:47

Loving how many of the comments are a split of “this isn’t a thing, where’s the evidence?” and “this is a thing, I only date taller men” 😂

I’ve managed to have terrible relationships with men of all heights so now stick with the nuclear option of dating no one.

Moonfishstar · 17/04/2024 06:46

Noirdesir · 17/04/2024 06:35

Dont you think it comes across as a little misogynistic?- women should look past height and give men a chance. When people bring up the fact that men are very appearance focused you say we cant mention that as its like primary school. So, what you are saying is, it's fine for men to choose women based on their looks but women shouldn't- we should be "better" than that. But why- why should we be better?

Women have been judged on their appearances for decades (eg being slim and youthful) and still are FAR more than men ever have so really, in terms of this being a predominantly female site, surely you should be focusing on that.

Again, What are your thoughts on the men who have told me I am too tall?

I tried to answer that in a follow up post.

What goes for women should go for men…. equally.

Neither men nor women should feel obliged to date anyone they’re not attracted to, especially not because they pity them!

My original point is that we should pause and examine why we might be rejecting certain people with certain characteristics- such as height- to ensure there’s no hang ups that don’t really have much to do with innate attraction… I used the example of tattoos for me.

If men or women still find height an issue after this, then fine, they’re justified in their dating choices.

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swayingpalmtree · 17/04/2024 06:44

OP- what height are you and what height is your partner?

Elephantswillnever · 17/04/2024 06:40

I’m 5 11” I don’t think short men want to date me either. I think you can’t help who you are attracted to I like guys who rowed/ played rugby and have broad shoulders. Possibly shorter ladies could stop fighting for them so there are more for me 😍🙏

ineedtostopbeingdramaticfirst · 17/04/2024 06:40

My dh is 5.8. I prefer it to being with someone who is over 6ft

Mummadeze · 17/04/2024 06:39

I agree with your heightest point. I ran a dating night and ended up having to include height on the application form as had so many complaints from women about being matched with short men. They were matched on personality but height seemed to be a deal breaker even if they got on. Me personally, I only used to find short men from a lower socioeconomic class attractive so bucked all the trends, but I still picked wrong’uns.

Loubelle70 · 17/04/2024 06:39

'You may not think it should be a thing, and it may not be something that features in your relationships - and that’s good - but pretending it doesn’t exist is akin to living in a feminist utopian fantasy.

And this idea that anyone who doesn’t subscribe to your utopian worldview must be an incel is pretty offensive…. not that I’m personally offended.'

I dont think you get that whilst you are offended at anyone that mentions incel, that we arent allowed to be offended when someone states the 'feminist utopian fantasy' card. Thats offensive.

Noirdesir · 17/04/2024 06:35

Moonfishstar · 17/04/2024 06:28

Because this is a board predominantly used by women, so the post was focussed on something I was thinking about.

Are we no longer able to discuss things to do with women without having to involve men?

Dont you think it comes across as a little misogynistic?- women should look past height and give men a chance. When people bring up the fact that men are very appearance focused you say we cant mention that as its like primary school. So, what you are saying is, it's fine for men to choose women based on their looks but women shouldn't- we should be "better" than that. But why- why should we be better?

Women have been judged on their appearances for decades (eg being slim and youthful) and still are FAR more than men ever have so really, in terms of this being a predominantly female site, surely you should be focusing on that.

Again, What are your thoughts on the men who have told me I am too tall?

Moonfishstar · 17/04/2024 06:35

Noirdesir · 17/04/2024 06:20

I’ve never said this was a woman only issue, so I can’t see how I’m being disingenuous! Of course, men have their hang ups too. I’ve never suggested otherwise!

So then why isnt your post directed at both genders?

What are your thoughts on the men who have told me I am too tall?

Ultimately those men shouldn’t force or feign attraction, but they also may have had prejudices that needlessly stood in the way.

For instance, I used to find any tattoos off putting due to some weird hang-ups. It wasn’t anything innate biologically that meant I couldn’t fancy a guy who had them, as I then met someone I liked who had a couple, and I got over it. Height may be in that category for some men (and women).

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Moonfishstar · 17/04/2024 06:28

Noirdesir · 17/04/2024 06:20

I’ve never said this was a woman only issue, so I can’t see how I’m being disingenuous! Of course, men have their hang ups too. I’ve never suggested otherwise!

So then why isnt your post directed at both genders?

What are your thoughts on the men who have told me I am too tall?

Because this is a board predominantly used by women, so the post was focussed on something I was thinking about.

Are we no longer able to discuss things to do with women without having to involve men?

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SkyBloo · 17/04/2024 06:27

My friend is 5ft 8 and has always been successful with women! He's polite, charming, hard working & good looking, always had them lining up. His wife is lovely too. Theyve been happily married 15 years.

Agree with a pp this sounds like an incel moan, i don't think women target taller men at all. We target nicer, respectful men....

Moonfishstar · 17/04/2024 06:26

Sweden99 · 17/04/2024 06:16

I am not sure anyone is denying that people want an attractive partner. Typically, women would like a partner who is wealthy, clever, high status, athletic and tall rather than now.
Men might put looks first, but that is no different really.
OP, what do you think of women who prefer a short and dumb partner, as many men do? Does that not say something worse about the relationship they are after?

I don’t see how this line of thinking which says “men are attracted in shallow ways - bigs boobs, preferring less intelligent women etc - so why shouldn’t we be allowed to be the same” helps at all…. It reduces everything to its lowest common denominator, and brings out the worst in us. It’s what primary schools kids say when trying to get their way.

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Noirdesir · 17/04/2024 06:20

I’ve never said this was a woman only issue, so I can’t see how I’m being disingenuous! Of course, men have their hang ups too. I’ve never suggested otherwise!

So then why isnt your post directed at both genders?

What are your thoughts on the men who have told me I am too tall?

Moonfishstar · 17/04/2024 06:18

Noirdesir · 17/04/2024 06:14

But equally it’s silly to pretend that no women, or a very very tiny proportion of women, care about height, because many do, as evidenced by many studies and many posts on this thread

I am tall myself so yes, I do care about height in a man. So fcking what? I'm 5'9" - 6 foot in heels, do you expect me to feel guilty for not dating a man of 5'2"?

Do you accept that actually many men have an issue with taller women?- I have been told by a few men that I am "too tall" to date. I've dated men shorter than me who told me not to wear heels because it makes them feel insecure about their height. Should I just obey them and shut up and let them control what I wear due to it, because poor them.

My husband is 5'10" and loves the fact I am tall but I have found that many shorter men have an issue with me, not the other way around because they are the ones bringing up the height issue all the time, not me.

I am aware that I am not for everyone and I love my height, if someone doesnt want to date me as a tall woman thats fine. I'm not gonna get all pissy and whiny about it as none of us can have whomever we like- people are either attracted to you or they arent. But you are being very disingenuous to suggest that this is all a female issue- as I said above, men also have an issue with women's height and you have conveniently ignored that fact.

I’ve never said this was a woman only issue, so I can’t see how I’m being disingenuous! Of course, men have their hang ups too. I’ve never suggested otherwise!

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Vegandiva · 17/04/2024 06:17

Regarding “hypergamy”, what I have found is there is no point in dating ‘down’ economically / career wise because men’s fragile egos can’t handle it and they resent you.

Sweden99 · 17/04/2024 06:16

I am not sure anyone is denying that people want an attractive partner. Typically, women would like a partner who is wealthy, clever, high status, athletic and tall rather than now.
Men might put looks first, but that is no different really.
OP, what do you think of women who prefer a short and dumb partner, as many men do? Does that not say something worse about the relationship they are after?

Moonfishstar · 17/04/2024 06:15

More evidence to show that hypergamy isn’t all in the febrile imaginations of incels…

https://ifstudies.org/blog/whither-hypergamy

I know I’m labouring my point, but I’m just really pissed off that some posters think that simply referencing this reality makes me an incel or Fem-MRA type.

Whither Hypergamy?

It was once a truth universally acknowledged that a single woman would be in want of a prosperous husband. This is not to say that women wanted to “marry for money.” But it is to concede that when women are unable to earn their own livelihood, as they...

https://ifstudies.org/blog/whither-hypergamy

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Noirdesir · 17/04/2024 06:14

But equally it’s silly to pretend that no women, or a very very tiny proportion of women, care about height, because many do, as evidenced by many studies and many posts on this thread

I am tall myself so yes, I do care about height in a man. So fcking what? I'm 5'9" - 6 foot in heels, do you expect me to feel guilty for not dating a man of 5'2"?

Do you accept that actually many men have an issue with taller women?- I have been told by a few men that I am "too tall" to date. I've dated men shorter than me who told me not to wear heels because it makes them feel insecure about their height. Should I just obey them and shut up and let them control what I wear due to it, because poor them.

My husband is 5'10" and loves the fact I am tall but I have found that many shorter men have an issue with me, not the other way around because they are the ones bringing up the height issue all the time, not me.

I am aware that I am not for everyone and I love my height, if someone doesnt want to date me as a tall woman thats fine. I'm not gonna get all pissy and whiny about it as none of us can have whomever we like- people are either attracted to you or they arent. But you are being very disingenuous to suggest that this is all a female issue- as I said above, men also have an issue with women's height and you have conveniently ignored that fact.

Moonfishstar · 17/04/2024 06:09

To summarise the long paper:

”Hence, based on these summary statistics, there is no clear evidence of either increasing or decreasing hypergamy.”

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Moonfishstar · 17/04/2024 06:06

@Catsmere

And an academic study in hypergamy that doesn’t mention Bridgerton!

https://jhr.uwpress.org/content/58/1/260#:~:text=Hence%2C%20based%20on%20these%20summary,either%20increasing%20or%20decreasing%20hypergamy.

You may not think it should be a thing, and it may not be something that features in your relationships - and that’s good - but pretending it doesn’t exist is akin to living in a feminist utopian fantasy.

And this idea that anyone who doesn’t subscribe to your utopian worldview must be an incel is pretty offensive…. not that I’m personally offended.

The Economics of Hypergamy

Partner selection is a vital feature of human behavior with important consequences for individuals, families, and society. We use the term hypergamy to describe a phenomenon whereby there is a tendency for husbands to be of higher rank within the male...

https://jhr.uwpress.org/content/58/1/260#:~:text=Hence%2C%20based%20on%20these%20summary,either%20increasing%20or%20decreasing%20hypergamy.

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