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Liz Truss - what's going on there?

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catPA · 16/04/2024 07:01

Just watched her recent interview with Chris Mason on Newscast. Something is most definitely 'off.' Not just what she says, but her hand and facial expressions are peculiar - as if she's possibly medicated or drunk? She is in total denial - no surprise there - but just so odd. It's actually quite disturbing to watch. AIBU?

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Mirabai · 16/04/2024 09:33

TTPD · 16/04/2024 07:23

I've just seen a clip from that interview and she does genuinely seem a little bit drunk.

x.com/bbcpolitics/status/1779980028547121157?s=46&t=5Dtkn4wJVUEoODNwWvtUMQ

Looks like business as usual to me.

BIossomtoes · 16/04/2024 09:33

The book is published by Biteback Publishing, a company owned by billionaire Lord Ashcroft, who also happens to be one of the largest donors (we're talking millions) to the Conservative party, despite not living in the UK and preferring to live in an off-shore tax haven.

Oh, interesting. The same Lord Ashcroft who accused Angela Rayner of evading £1500 in capital gains tax. They’re so fucking transparent, they must think we’re stupid.

Sparklybanana · 16/04/2024 09:27

I'm actually a little impressed that she can not only take the whole country laughing at her for being so rubbish and then coming back for round 2! Round 2 seems to be 'I'm very bitter about these groups who stopped me from totalling the country so I'm going to say they should disbanded". Also ' the world was safer under Donald trump'.? Yes - if you're a rich, white American man....
I just hope she's just saying these things to sell her book.

Havanananana · 16/04/2024 09:26

Candleabra · 16/04/2024 07:49

She sounds desperate to me. Sales of her book depend on publicity and she’s raising the profile by making the most outrageous statements she possibly can.

Her book is published by a company owned by billionaire Tory-donor Lord Ashcroft. She will probably have been guaranteed a juicy fee regardless of how many copies the book sells.

Ashcroft donates millions to the Conservatives - a fee of, say, a hundred thousand quid to Truss has bought far more publicity for the right wing than any of his donations ever can.

DutchHouse · 16/04/2024 09:25

MotherofPearl · 16/04/2024 09:16

I think most people who failed so spectacularly and publicly in their jobs would be pretty embarrassed, but Truss just brazens it out.

If I were her, I'd have been inclined to change my identity, get plastic surgery and move continents after what happened, but for reasons unknown she keeps herself in the public spotlight and is deluded enough to imagine that anyone wants to hear a single thing she has to say.

😅 this made me giggle - completely agree. It’s annoying that she’s a woman. I wonder if a man version of Truss would have styled it out for longer and refused to step down.

PTSDBarbiegirl · 16/04/2024 09:24

She blinks but only the bottom lip and jaw actually move, rest of face immobile. She exhudes arrogance.

Fizbosshoes · 16/04/2024 09:24

MotherofPearl · 16/04/2024 09:16

I think most people who failed so spectacularly and publicly in their jobs would be pretty embarrassed, but Truss just brazens it out.

If I were her, I'd have been inclined to change my identity, get plastic surgery and move continents after what happened, but for reasons unknown she keeps herself in the public spotlight and is deluded enough to imagine that anyone wants to hear a single thing she has to say.

I have no more confidence in her than anyone else and am amazed she was elected as an MP let alone PM....but part of me sort of admires the brazenness to keep showing up. (And not apologise or accept any short-comings)

I do think it would be beyond embarrassing for her family though

Coffeeismysaviour · 16/04/2024 09:23

She's a sleeper agent for the Liberal Democrats. I started a thread on it before seeing that this one was already in full swing Grin.

VestibuleVirgin · 16/04/2024 09:18

Liz Truss
Mel B
Both suddenly everywhere! Perhaps they both have the same agent!

Havanananana · 16/04/2024 09:17

"Probably she'll get a show on GB News."

"Chickenfeed" - as a different ex-PM once described the fee for his incoherent media scribblings.

She's going all out for the big pay packet - a deal with Fox News in the USA (and possibly also Australia) where she can spout nonsense safe in the knowledge that she'll never have to accept any responsibility for her unhinged mutterings and bone-headed lack of insight or empathy. The American Right love her Oxford credentials and eccentric British accent and body language. She just has to master the trick of saying the same thing regardless of the audience (similar to Johnson's "Boris the Bumbling Clown" act) and she's got it made. Farage must be purple with rage - he probably thought that if Trump wins next time, this was going to be his gig.

Hopefully this will keep her far away from the UK and prevent her from having another position of power. Incompetent people are a danger in any setting - but unconsciously incompetent people are even more dangerous.

MotherofPearl · 16/04/2024 09:16

I think most people who failed so spectacularly and publicly in their jobs would be pretty embarrassed, but Truss just brazens it out.

If I were her, I'd have been inclined to change my identity, get plastic surgery and move continents after what happened, but for reasons unknown she keeps herself in the public spotlight and is deluded enough to imagine that anyone wants to hear a single thing she has to say.

TTPD · 16/04/2024 09:10

I read something where someone described her as having the exact opposite of imposter syndrome, which I think is quite accurate.

DutchHouse · 16/04/2024 09:09

Candleabra · 16/04/2024 07:49

She sounds desperate to me. Sales of her book depend on publicity and she’s raising the profile by making the most outrageous statements she possibly can.

This is what I thought too. Also, presumably she got support from the 1922 as they thought she would be easier to manipulate?

catPA · 16/04/2024 09:01

Didn't Truss vote Remain? How does she explain that?

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Kendodd · 16/04/2024 08:59

Whenwillitgetwarm · 16/04/2024 08:05

She’s what true believer libertarianism looks like. She’s the front for all of those American think tanks who’ve been successfully destroying our country since the Brexit vote.

Plus she’s cray cray.

Except they're not libertarians though are they, far from it. Ask them about abortion, marijuana or immigration.

catPA · 16/04/2024 08:58

The cheese speech!

Yes, it's like she's had some training about how to come across as more 'primeministerial', but it doesn't work.

I agree she is the definition of narcissist. I suppose, at this point, she has nothing to lose. She may as well go all out. The more controversial she is, the more publicity there will be for her book.

Probably she'll get a show on GB News.

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LondonLass61 · 16/04/2024 08:57

Havanananana · 16/04/2024 08:48

"I feel terribly sorry for her teenage children having to watch her publicly unravelling."

She was pro-European in the run-up to the Referendum, expressing concerns about the future that her daughters faced; “I don’t want my daughters to grow up in a world where they need a visa or permit to work in Europe; or where they are hampered from growing a business because of extortionate call costs and barriers to trade.”
“Every parent wants their children to grow up in a healthy environment with clean water, fresh air and thriving natural wonders. Being part of the EU helps protect these precious resources and spaces.”

How does she explain her post-Brexit stance to her daughters? How does she explain her journey from Socialist to extreme right-wing PopCon, via the LibDems and the One-Nation Conservatives?

How can someone expect be taken seriously when they change their views according to which way they think the wind is blowing? Or is it all just one big grift?

100% agree.

Validus · 16/04/2024 08:56

Havanananana · 16/04/2024 08:17

@the80sweregreat However, she still won and it makes me wonder how. Why didn't they vote for Rishi Sunak back then?

The Conservative MPs actually voted for Sunak, but when the vote was put to the membership, they preferred Truss. They liked her Thatcher tribute act - and there's something about Sunak that they didn't like... (The membership were not offered the chance to vote on Truss' successor as there was only one candidate, Sunak).

For all that there are many who think that Conservative MPs are a bunch of dimwitted nodding dogs, even they had the insight and first-hand knowledge of Truss to see that she'd be a disaster as PM.

As I recall, Sunak was rejected as “more of the same”. Coming down off Boris, the commoners wanted things to be shaken up. Sunak was the ‘safe pair of hands’ and so rejected.

I also recall the papers trying to whip up anti Sunak sentiment at the time - ostensibly because he’s rich but there was an undercurrent of ‘he’s Indian’. However, none of the real people I met cared about ethnicity. They simple didn’t want more grey men in suits.

TamarindJelly · 16/04/2024 08:53

TTPD · 16/04/2024 07:44

It's sad she was the Queen's very last PM when she had served with 14 others before who were much more competent than she turned out to be across all the political parties.

The only thing about that that makes me smile is that she gave Penny Mordaunt whatever position it was that meant she had to hold that sword, and be part of the other official stuff.
If the queen had died a few weeks earlier, Jacob Rees-Mogg was in that position, and would have been the one to do that, and I love that fact that you just know he's fuming that it wasn't him.

Although I'm not sure Jacob Rees-Mogg would have had the upper body strength for that sword...

theresnolimits · 16/04/2024 08:53

She was like that during the leadership race though. We used to watch her and be incredulous such a lightweight was in government. We couldn’t believe it when she won.

And it is worth saying that the Conservative MPs didn’t elect her ( they knew her), the membership did. We all know why the membership didn’t vote Sunak.

I do wonder at the news agenda that is giving her so much coverage now though. Are they going to try to blame all the Tory disasters on her as an unhinged outlier? Or are they going to go for a bring back Boris, he was better than Truss approach?

RandomButtons · 16/04/2024 08:52

TTPD · 16/04/2024 07:23

I've just seen a clip from that interview and she does genuinely seem a little bit drunk.

x.com/bbcpolitics/status/1779980028547121157?s=46&t=5Dtkn4wJVUEoODNwWvtUMQ

Heavy blinking and darting eyes - she’s lying and scrambling for an answer. She’s clearly had body language lessons but is terrible at using them, so comes across as even more untrustworthy.

https://www.meetings-conventions.com/News/Third-Party/Body-Language-Signs-Someone-Is-Lying

Decoding Body Language: 15 Clear Signs That Someone Is Lying

A persuasion and hidden-emotion expert reveals the subconscious actions that are red flags for deceit.

https://www.meetings-conventions.com/News/Third-Party/Body-Language-Signs-Someone-Is-Lying

Jovacknockowitch · 16/04/2024 08:52

What I find alarming is the fact that she got a degree from Oxford (although she apparently got in after making a complaint).

TorroFerney · 16/04/2024 08:52

BatteryPoweredPeacock · 16/04/2024 07:10

Wasn't she always like that?

When she was running for PM she had that same, drunk, demeanour.

Yes it’s just her. I was just saying to other half I’d get her book if it revealed how she has the mental fortitude to not have just taken to her bed permanently after the prime minister debacle or to have at least changed careers.

i don’t like her but I’d love just an ounce of her self confidence/belief.

Undertherockpool · 16/04/2024 08:50

a lot of money was spent on training her to change her voice etc to make her more priministerial though, that’s why she comes across in a very unnatural way.

She has been paid a lot of money from people such as the ERG to promote (and indeed try out) their ideas to give them the opportunity to make money on the inevitable market crashes etc. she is now being paid a lot of money to try to make out Donald Trump and Nigel Farage are reasonable people when obviously they are extremely nasty pieces of work. She is nothing more than a pathetic puppet.

Havanananana · 16/04/2024 08:48

"I feel terribly sorry for her teenage children having to watch her publicly unravelling."

She was pro-European in the run-up to the Referendum, expressing concerns about the future that her daughters faced; “I don’t want my daughters to grow up in a world where they need a visa or permit to work in Europe; or where they are hampered from growing a business because of extortionate call costs and barriers to trade.”
“Every parent wants their children to grow up in a healthy environment with clean water, fresh air and thriving natural wonders. Being part of the EU helps protect these precious resources and spaces.”

How does she explain her post-Brexit stance to her daughters? How does she explain her journey from Socialist to extreme right-wing PopCon, via the LibDems and the One-Nation Conservatives?

How can someone expect be taken seriously when they change their views according to which way they think the wind is blowing? Or is it all just one big grift?

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