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Disabled nappy changes

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Helplessandheartbroke · 15/04/2024 13:34

Hello lovely mumsnetters!

I'm looking for some assistance please. My amazing ds is 4 and is SEN. He's non verbal and is currently still in nappies. I'm finding it harder and harden to change his nappy in public place. Ie themeparks, restaurants, the zoo etc. This is due to the size of the changing facilities being made for babies. I appreciate most 4 year olds are out of nappies however, a lot aren't. I'm not even sure how to go about this but I want to campaign to bring awareness to this issue that I and many mums are facing. Before I email my local mp and the British toilet association, I just wanted some advice from my fellow mumsnetters.

Is this problem as big as I think? Aibu to raise this issue? Thanks

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idontlikealdi · 16/04/2024 17:19

I am aware this is a problem from family members but didnt realise how bad. I am in SE London. There is a Changing Places facility in the local shopping centre and cinema, but the next two after that are in hospitals. 3 miles away in opposite directions.

The country park near us has been fundraising and recently had one installed.

Given that public toilet provision in general has gone to shit (pun intended) I think this will be unfortunately an uphill battle.

Bushmillsbabe · 16/04/2024 14:43

It is so tough
Local to us in West London we have at least 10 changing places toilets, usually in leisure centres or shopping centres, but I know that is not the norm from speaking to families I work with as a children's physio.
Merlin theme parks (legoland, Chessington etc) all have a changing places toilet, and Butlins at Bognor has one in their new pool - just for suggestions of places which do have in case it's helpful. I have had a moan at Butlins that that there should be another in main entertainment complex as pool closed in evenings, but at least they have 1

wombat15 · 16/04/2024 13:48

It is something people are campaigning for so hopefully things will improve. I've noticed that national trust by me have changing places toilets now and some motorway services.

FlabMonsterIsDietingAgain · 16/04/2024 13:43

I was so impressed recently when I saw the local Morrisons accessible toilet. They have a full adult size table, a hoist, toilet that can raise up and down, handrails where needed.

Helplessandheartbroke · 16/04/2024 13:33

@evilharpy me too! As all posts on this thread are supportive...

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evilharpy · 16/04/2024 13:10

I would love to hear from the 29% of people who said YABU.

Underhisi · 16/04/2024 08:20

Ds 17 is changed lying down. He can do it standing up if there is no other option but he finds this difficult and can become aggressive. We plan outings around changing places and accessible toilets that we know are big enough to accommodate him lying on the floor. He wouldn't cope with being changed in a vehicle.

Caspianberg · 16/04/2024 07:01

I don’t know if it helps, but if your 4 year old still uses a pram rather than wheelchair, changing in that laid down might help another few months. I know it’s not a solution, but it keeps him off the floor a while longer

Helplessandheartbroke · 16/04/2024 06:32

Thank you everyone for sharing and I'm sorry to hear of your struggles too. If anyone wants to share rough locations of places you struggle I will include these on my emails. You ladies have inspired me to go further with this. Thank you!

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KittenKins · 16/04/2024 05:04

My whole life is planned around the toilet, on the rare occasion I get out. It's impossible. There are few changing places toilets in my county & few open after 17:00 so my options are very limited as I'm hoisted.

wearasuitornothing · 16/04/2024 02:55

Yes, I'm in the same boat with sen 4 year old!

Spencer0220 · 16/04/2024 01:49

Esponel · 15/04/2024 20:02

@x2boys A lot of parents and carers I know drive their adult child's adapted van. Plenty of space in those.

I'm sorry but for some of us that is simply not possible.

I rely on CP toilets for the hoist.

I'm 36 and doubly incontinent. The situation is shit. But better than it used to be.

wowihaveagardennow · 16/04/2024 01:34

I am in awe of all you parents. OP I think it's a great thing you're doing to change the situation. Thank you also for teaching me something I was ignorant about. I really hope there is progress made with public facilities soon!

x2boys · 16/04/2024 01:27

pinkhorsesarentunicorns · 16/04/2024 00:09

A lot of the larger train stations, a fair few motorway service stations amd even some supermarkets have changing places toilets. They aren't always signposted as such- changing room seems to be one of the more frequent ones I have seen.

On a good day I can manage just about to park my chair outside a standard disabled toilet and walk the few steps to the toilet. On a bad day I need to be hoisted onto the toilet. A CP toilet can make the difference between having a nice day out with my kids or stressing about toilets.

It's shit.isnt it it sorry for the pun my son is severely autistic and Was in nappies until he was 9/10 he's non verbal so at 14 we still have accidents but I can largely. Contain these at home,it's ridiculous at this day and age disabled adults and children are still fighting for their basic rights there should be changing places in every public places

pinkhorsesarentunicorns · 16/04/2024 00:09

A lot of the larger train stations, a fair few motorway service stations amd even some supermarkets have changing places toilets. They aren't always signposted as such- changing room seems to be one of the more frequent ones I have seen.

On a good day I can manage just about to park my chair outside a standard disabled toilet and walk the few steps to the toilet. On a bad day I need to be hoisted onto the toilet. A CP toilet can make the difference between having a nice day out with my kids or stressing about toilets.

Ratfinkstinkypink · 15/04/2024 23:02

menopausalmare · 15/04/2024 20:05

When I worked with SEN teens we would change their nappies standing up.

I have more chance of winning the lottery than I do of doing a standing change on my child. He is never going to be able to stand. Luckily our new Motability van will have a hoist and a changing bench in it but we were very lucky to get a grants officer who future proofed the vehicle he will get.

Our local swimming pool is putting a Changing Place in the changing rooms but they won't be including any method of getting a person who is unable to sit unsupported into the water so although I will be able to change him I won't actually be able to get him into the water.

Helplessandheartbroke · 15/04/2024 22:52

@x2boys thank you! That's good to know. I do visit Bolton on occasion mainly the middle brook but the centre too

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x2boys · 15/04/2024 22:47

Helplessandheartbroke · 15/04/2024 19:52

Wow thanks so much for all the replies and I'm so sorry there's so many of us struggling with this. Thank you for some of the suggestions they're really helpful. I've changed him in the boot a few times but he's very tall for his age so I don't think it's an option for much longer. He can stand its just in the case of soiled nappies its more of an issue. I'm in Manchester for the poster who asked. Sending solidarity ladies x

If your ever in Bolton there is a local charity shop called Breaking barriers in the market hall they have a changing area specifically for disabled children .

x2boys · 15/04/2024 22:45

Esponel · 15/04/2024 20:02

@x2boys A lot of parents and carers I know drive their adult child's adapted van. Plenty of space in those.

We have a mobility car but it's just a normal car , Ds, is out of nappies now ,but if he wssent i wouldn't have been able to change him in there

1daughterand3sons · 15/04/2024 20:41

Ds6 is still in nappies he stands up to be changed if he as done a wee but needs to lay down if he's done a poo.
I've not been anywhere that has a changing table big enough for him.
We do have a foldable one but even then don't want to put it on half the toilet floors has their filthy.

bryceQ · 15/04/2024 20:33

My son is 5 in nappies and I change him standing up I find his legs very heavy to hold if he is lying and he wouldn't lie still. At least standing he can watch his videos and it's easier to change him especially when he makes a mess (sorry tmi)

Stripeysocks1981 · 15/04/2024 20:32

Esponel · 15/04/2024 18:47

My advice would be look up Laura Moore and don't bother campaigning. She tried, she was bullied so badly by the Daily Mail comment section and factions of social media that she left for good. It broke her spirit.

Don't take on this fight. Adapt your days out and if necessary, change in the car. That's what everyone I know does.

This has blown my mind. Who the hell would be AGAINST this?!
OP like PPs on this thread, this is an issue I’m fortunate enough not to have and have never considered. It must be so difficult for you. 💐

mummyh2016 · 15/04/2024 20:25

I'm sorry this is your reality, not having this issue it hasn't been obvious to me how much of a problem this is. I can only think of 2 changing facilities I've seen which can accommodate older children and adults. One is at our local leisure centre, the other is at grand central in Birmingham. More does definitely need to be done.

Gumbo · 15/04/2024 20:14

Not sure if this helps, but there is a company called RevoLootion: https://www.revolootion.org.uk/ who have mobile disabled units with adult changing tables and hoists etc that businesses/events can hire.

I appreciate it's not ideal because you'd have to really plan ahead, but if there's somewhere you specifically wanted to take your DC, often if you contact that event (sports event/circus/whatever) and ask if they can arrange a unit so that you could visit on x date, many companies would oblige. Presumably it also looks good for the business because it shows they're being inclusive, and most companies have budgets for such things.

Obviously this doesn't help if you just want to go the the park, but it might broaden other options for you.

RevoLOOtion | A Mobile Accessible Toilet

For over 250,000 disabled people in the UK and millions more worldwide the only place they can go to the toilet is their own home. This is unacceptable and we want to change it. Our mission is to enable disabled people to attend any event or activity.

https://www.revolootion.org.uk

menopausalmare · 15/04/2024 20:05

When I worked with SEN teens we would change their nappies standing up.