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AIBU to consider putting dog down?

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ConfusedDogMum · 15/04/2024 12:57

Our dog has an undiagnosable condition affecting her side which is creating sores and pushing small lumps of (apparently deep) tissue to the surface.

She scratches and licks at the area constantly. She’s had mutiple specialist vet visits, scans, lab testing etc plus two very big operations removing large amounts of dead tissue with no answer as to what is causing it. Obviously the area gets infected and antibiotics have cleared it up temporarily but it keeps returning, after a few months at best. She is healthy in every other way but she absolutely hates going to the vets.

The last time we took her to the vets they were pushing to do another very expensive operation but obviously could give us no reassurance it would help. We don’t have insurance unfortunately as we felt we could afford anything she would have needed at this stage (she’s now only 8) but were clearly naive about what might happen and what it might cost (£11k plus and counting so far!). We pushed back and they gave us a longer prescription for the antibiotics to also cover the next time it returned instead. Of course now it’s come back and the antibiotics aren’t helping. She’s still very active wanting to go on walks etc and no other signs of physical problems but she has started seeking out quieter, more comfortable spots (sofa, all our beds!) which is becoming problematic as the sores are weeping and she’s very smelly and she growls at us and snaps when we try to move her. She’s clearly unhappy and we’ve tried a cone but she still bashes at her side with it and uses her back leg to scratch so it doesn’t really help (it’s definitely an underlying condition and she isn’t causing the problem).

We will have to return to the vet soon as we are nearly out of antibiotics and they don’t seem to be working…. And I’m at a complete loss as to what to do… they’ll push again for another scan and operation at great cost (c£5k minimum - money we don’t have) but the alternative seems so unfair, cruel and irresponsible on our part to have an animal and then not do everything to cure her…. Are we even able to have her put down if the vet is saying they believe (wrongly in my opinion) they could still try to help? Is anyone on here a vet that has any ideas what this is or other dog owner who has experience this?

It would be absolutely awful to have to have her put down (we have young children who also love her very much and we’ve had her since she was a puppy) but we cannot afford to keep spending such vast sums on money on things that do not help her. It’s become a really stressful situation even just managing where she can be in the house, whether the dog walker will still take her etc. I just don’t know what to do anymore and my husband is burying his head in the sand about it.

Any insight or advice greatly appreciated and thank you for reading so far!! X

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Poppyseed14 · 15/04/2024 13:45

I'd look into the steroids suggestion first as a few people have mentioned it now OP. That's got to be worth a try xx

Warmfeet · 15/04/2024 13:45

With this sort of thing, in a youngish dog, I think you will have to bring up the subject first. I don’t think you’re unreasonable at all, but it’s not the usual ‘old dog, poor quality of life’ that makes euthanasia an expected subject to bring up, A lot of owners in this situation may be very angry towards the vet for mentioning it and all vets have heard of clients slating other vets for suggesting PTS when more could be done.

CMOTDibbler · 15/04/2024 13:43

@ConfusedDogMum our vet says autoimmune things in dogs are really tricky to diagnose, and don't appear in blood tests - you have to biopsy the affected tissue, and even then if the lab don't have a clear path as to what they are looking for, they may not do the right tests as they are specific to different conditions. And different autoimmune conditions can present differently apparently in different breeds and ages of dog so really tough to pin down.
Its a low risk tactic to try high dose steroids and see if it helps

SnowFrogJelly · 15/04/2024 13:43

YANBU we had a similar situation with our dog last year and it was definitely the kindest thing to put her to sleep. Very hard to do though of course, she was 12 so had a good life

OrbitingTheEarth · 15/04/2024 13:41

Andthereyougo · 15/04/2024 13:22

And after I had to have my DCat pts at only 8 the vet said to me animals don’t count the years they’ve had, only the live they’ve had.

This x 100! It sounds like your dog has a loving home with a family that love and cherish him. But i think it is the right thing and thats to let him go with love, holding his paw and a big cuddle.

Its so sad but it doesn't sound like a good life anymore and @Andthereyougo says its the life they have had, and hes had a good one. You've loved him perhaps the greatest love of all is knowing its time to do the right thing and say goodbye.

We lost our dog 2 years ago and we bought a memory box, saved his collar, water bowl, lead, his favourite polar bear etc and my daughter often still pulls it all out. We had him cremated and scattered the ashes in the back of our garden so hes still with us in the house.

Tough times but remember they don't count the years. We do xx

Smokeysgirl · 15/04/2024 13:38

I would get a second and even third opinion before I even considered PTS. I used to go to a vet who told me that my dog had such severe reoccurring ear infections that every 2 weeks he needed her to clean them out thoroughly at £80 per session (no insurance here either so I understand your situation completely). I asked what would happen if I didn't take him every 2 weeks, as it was extremely stressful for both him and me. She told me that the infection would spread to his brain and left the rest up to my imagination. That terrified me so I did extensive research online and came across some ear drops for dogs that were highly recommended. They only cost about £3 and they worked immediately. I used them for the rest of his life and he never got another ear infection. I never set foot in that vets again, I just think to some vets it's a massive money making business and they'll put the animal through anything as they know we'll pay up (not all vets obviously). Please do some research online or try to find a vet with experience in skin conditions, surely it's worth a try. Good luck.

ConfusedDogMum · 15/04/2024 13:36

@CMOTDibbler neither vet suggested steroids at all. This seems to be something I should ask then about once I speak to them again thank you!

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ConfusedDogMum · 15/04/2024 13:35

@ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine oh and I don’t think charities would help us given on paper we look financially well off given income but expenditure is high and debt mounting too!

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ConfusedDogMum · 15/04/2024 13:33

@ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine she’s been to both our usual vet and an internal medicine specialist once the usual vet did first op and antibiotics but couldn’t help x

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ConfusedDogMum · 15/04/2024 13:31

@sleepyscientist that was us.. we did get a 0% credit card to cover it and we assumed it would fix her! We could get more credit im sure … we both have decent jobs and are well off compared to a lot of people but with cost of living these days, increase in our mortagage, car problems etc all over this time we really cannot afford to add any more debt without being certain of an outcome.

The vet never mentioned autoimmune disease but she’s had loads of blood tests etc so I hope they’ve ruled that out!! I’ll check though thank you.

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Laiste · 15/04/2024 13:29

@DisappearingGirl i totally agree. We've had pets big and small over the years and my majority experience at the vets is that they tend to lean over heavily toward treatment at any cost. Even the animal's quality of life.

It's a fine line, and i get that everyone that cares enough to actually take their animal to a vet is going to get them treated, but having to be the one to bring up euthanising instead of ploughing on and on with treatment is REALLY DIFFICULT when it hasn't been mentioned at all by the vet.

I accompanied one of my adult DDs to the vets with her young male cat recently which was having awful recurring bladder problems. All the £££ in the world thrown at it wouldn't fix this permanently; the poor cat was going to often cope with a lot of pain. The vet was gently upfront about this fact right from the start of this (3rd appt in 3 months) appointment and i was so grateful to her. It made my DDs decision much less stressful and guilt ridden 😥

VenusClapTrap · 15/04/2024 13:27

I’m sorry op. Animals break your heart.

But I’d never be without them.

When I was younger I would pay any amount and put my pets through anything in order to extend their lives. Now I’m older and wiser, and I think it’s not always kind to put them through the stress and discomfort of operations and invasive treatment. Better a short life and a merry one.

ConfusedDogMum · 15/04/2024 13:27

@Andthereyougo That’s interesting, we do have them but only ones that claim to be pet friendly but I’ve gone and switched them off… you never know so thank you!

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justasking111 · 15/04/2024 13:25

Poor dog, lovely owners. But I would opt to PTS on this occasion. And our dogs have always been greatly loved.

CMOTDibbler · 15/04/2024 13:24

If there is no diagnosis and nothing is helping, I would PTS without hesitation. Just in case it hasn't been tried though, has she had a very high dose course of steroids? My ddog1 has had a very weird, horrible, and no firm diagnosis condition where he developed necrotic ulcers all over his head and back. At first they thought it was an infection and antibiotics didn't help at all, then the main vet gave him a whacking great dose of steroids which stopped the ulcers forming in days. He'll now be on steroids for life as he obviously has something autoimmune going on as he still has weird patches, but they are not the terrible oozing craters of before which have now all healed

ConfusedDogMum · 15/04/2024 13:24

Thank you all for such gentle, kind and helpful comments. It’s certainly helping me to feel better about a conclusion I’d really probably already reached, I just wish it didn’t have to be this way and i think we are all letting our emotions and guilt cloud our judgement on this one.

Totally agree it’s been a wake up call re insurance… although I’ve looked and in order to get cover up to that sum in year we would have paid massively over that amount by this point in her life assuming we’d had cover from when we got her… decent insurance with him cover is so expensive too!

We love animals and always wanted a dog and I never thought I’d say this but I’m not sure I’d ever have another one now 😢

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Andthereyougo · 15/04/2024 13:22

And after I had to have my DCat pts at only 8 the vet said to me animals don’t count the years they’ve had, only the live they’ve had.

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 15/04/2024 13:21

Is it the same vet you've always gone to? If so, I think it might be worth taking her to a different vet for a second opinion. Also, I believe there are some charities that will help with vets bills that might be worth looking into. But if the surgery isn't a definite fix and is going to be unpleasant for her to recover from it may be kinder to just put her down. You are definitely not being unreasonable. It must be heartbreaking for you.

sleepyscientist · 15/04/2024 13:21

I will start by saying I am the person who wouldn't think twice about getting a 10/20/30k loan to cover above our insurance if it was curable or the dog wasn't in pain but she sounds miserable which may means it's time to let go. The only thing I would say is we had a dog with an autoimmune skin condition that sounds like your baby, he had life long steroids and lived to 14 with only a few flare ups.

Andthereyougo · 15/04/2024 13:21

I’m sorry, it’s so hard isn’t it but I think you’ve tried everything within your reach.

Theres probably a deeper cause but just as a thought, you don’t use those air fresheners that puff out into the room do you? My ndn dog had awful skin problems, vet tried everything, specialist food flown from US and then she got rid of the air fresheners. Dogs skin cleared up in a few weeks.

Toomanysquishmallows · 15/04/2024 13:18

I had to make this decision, with my beloved cat last year. In all honesty, I would let them go ,

elastamum · 15/04/2024 13:16

I'm sorry about your lovely dog. If it makes you feel any better, it's highly likely that any insurance you could have bought would have run out of cover by now anyway. If she is miserable it is a kindness to let her go.

theleafandnotthetree · 15/04/2024 13:16

I absolutely would put the dog to sleep in these circumstances. It is the right decision for the dog AND for you financially as a family - don't let any guilt about the latter cause you to forget the former.

QuestionableMouse · 15/04/2024 13:15

Sorry posted too soon - I'm so sorry 💔💔💔

Work2live · 15/04/2024 13:15

I'm so sorry, this must be so awful. I think it might be the kindest thing to do.

I've been through it with our lovely dog who passed just before Christmas. Our situation was different - they knew what the problem was, he had the operation, but it didn't go well and his quality of life suffered greatly afterwards. I often wish we hadn't put him through it all and just PTS instead, but I've accepted now that we were trying to do the best we could with the information we had.

If they don't know what it is, there are no guarantees with the surgery and you could end up spending huge amounts to get nowhere.

I also say this very gently, but it's an enormous wake up call about insurance. You just never know. I know peoples' opinions on it differ, but it's so important to either insure or keep a hefty sum aside. Between the ages of 6-8 (when ddog passed) we claimed almost £12k.

Your girl is obviously very loved and it sounds like you've done the absolute best for her. Sometimes letting them go is the final act of kindness.

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