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AIBU to consider putting dog down?

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ConfusedDogMum · 15/04/2024 12:57

Our dog has an undiagnosable condition affecting her side which is creating sores and pushing small lumps of (apparently deep) tissue to the surface.

She scratches and licks at the area constantly. She’s had mutiple specialist vet visits, scans, lab testing etc plus two very big operations removing large amounts of dead tissue with no answer as to what is causing it. Obviously the area gets infected and antibiotics have cleared it up temporarily but it keeps returning, after a few months at best. She is healthy in every other way but she absolutely hates going to the vets.

The last time we took her to the vets they were pushing to do another very expensive operation but obviously could give us no reassurance it would help. We don’t have insurance unfortunately as we felt we could afford anything she would have needed at this stage (she’s now only 8) but were clearly naive about what might happen and what it might cost (£11k plus and counting so far!). We pushed back and they gave us a longer prescription for the antibiotics to also cover the next time it returned instead. Of course now it’s come back and the antibiotics aren’t helping. She’s still very active wanting to go on walks etc and no other signs of physical problems but she has started seeking out quieter, more comfortable spots (sofa, all our beds!) which is becoming problematic as the sores are weeping and she’s very smelly and she growls at us and snaps when we try to move her. She’s clearly unhappy and we’ve tried a cone but she still bashes at her side with it and uses her back leg to scratch so it doesn’t really help (it’s definitely an underlying condition and she isn’t causing the problem).

We will have to return to the vet soon as we are nearly out of antibiotics and they don’t seem to be working…. And I’m at a complete loss as to what to do… they’ll push again for another scan and operation at great cost (c£5k minimum - money we don’t have) but the alternative seems so unfair, cruel and irresponsible on our part to have an animal and then not do everything to cure her…. Are we even able to have her put down if the vet is saying they believe (wrongly in my opinion) they could still try to help? Is anyone on here a vet that has any ideas what this is or other dog owner who has experience this?

It would be absolutely awful to have to have her put down (we have young children who also love her very much and we’ve had her since she was a puppy) but we cannot afford to keep spending such vast sums on money on things that do not help her. It’s become a really stressful situation even just managing where she can be in the house, whether the dog walker will still take her etc. I just don’t know what to do anymore and my husband is burying his head in the sand about it.

Any insight or advice greatly appreciated and thank you for reading so far!! X

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ConfusedDogMum · 15/04/2024 19:21

@kerstina shes 8, nearly 9. In answer to earlier questions she’s a springer spaniel. They initially thought it was all due to grass seed/other foreign body in the beginning but never found it in all the tissue they removed or on scans etc.

No, I wouldn’t ever do that. Our family are all worse off financially than us anyway and it’s not like we have any light at the end of the tunnel as they have no idea whether more surgeries will help. If I thought it had a high chance of succeeding this time I would add to our debt to do it as I believe we will eventually have the means to pay it off and it’s no one else’s responsibility but ours…. It’s the combination of what it puts her through with no guarantee of any better outcome plus the steep financial aspect that makes me wonder if it’s time for her to go 😭

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kerstina · 15/04/2024 18:29

How old is she ? Have you thought about setting up a go fund me page to help pay for vets fees. Friends and family may help.

BreatheAndFocus · 15/04/2024 18:15

I’d get a second? third? specialist opinion, OP. The fact they haven’t even tried steroids wouldn’t fill me with confidence at all. I think there’s more than likely an answer to what your DDog’s condition is. I wouldn’t want to PTS until I was damn sure I knew what it was and the prognosis.

Our neighbours had a cat that looked like something out of a horror film. It had hardly any fur and a lot of large suppurating wounds. They were going to put it to sleep, but by chance a locum vet saw it, diagnosed an allergy (I want to say it was to flea saliva, but I might be misremembering - point is that it was a rare reaction and the poor cat was hypersensitive) and the cat was given medication and looked completely normal after a few months.

So, I would keep PTS on the table, but just get some more investigation from elsewhere before making that very final decision. Not only does that give your dog a chance of being helped, but I think it would make the decision easier for you if it needed to be done.

aodirjjd · 15/04/2024 18:10

NamelessNancy · 15/04/2024 16:15

Trying to re-home a dog who's already had thousands spent on a condition without resolution? Really?

An 8 year old dog at that. Dog would be so upset at going into kennels etc it would be cruel.

I really believe that pet insurance alongside shows like supervet have really messed up our relationship with animal care. I hear constant stories of elderly animals put through intensive treatment or animals having big scans at the first sign of an issue or animals having lifelong treatment with low quality of life. It wouldn’t of happened before because vets would not suggest £11k worth of treatment outside of things like a bad accident on a young animal where full recovery was possible.

your dog is in pain and sad. She cannot consent to have more operations and other painful treatments. Maybe give all the things like diet and air freshener a try if you haven’t but after that I’d put her to sleep poor thing .

QuestionableMouse · 15/04/2024 16:53

Sorrentino · 15/04/2024 16:05

is it worth speaking to a shelter to see if she can be re-homed instead of being put to sleep? It sounds like she has a lovely personality and is loving her life still even if the sores are making her uncomfortable. I'd speak to the Dog's Trust to see whether they can offer an alternative which isn't 'final'.

For what life @Sorrentino ?

More painful and stressful surgeries? More endless vet treatment which she already hates? Stinking sores that keep getting infected and are probably painful? Would you choose that? Because I know I wouldn't.

Jckf · 15/04/2024 16:27

You would be more upset than her.

She won’t know it is happening. They can even do it in your home.

I would like to think I would make the same decision but it is so hard I’m not confident I would be as responsible and unselfish as you.

Zebracat · 15/04/2024 16:26

I don’t think you said the breed of your dear dog? . Some people think 8 isn’t old but it is, some dogs’ life expectancy is less. The condition sounds absolutely horrendous. Poor poor dog. I love dogs, I’m surrounded by 3 sleeping woofers, but I would pts. And you shouldn’t let this experience stop you having another dog in future, maybe a healthy mutt from a shelter, when it feels right. 💐

NamelessNancy · 15/04/2024 16:15

Sorrentino · 15/04/2024 16:05

is it worth speaking to a shelter to see if she can be re-homed instead of being put to sleep? It sounds like she has a lovely personality and is loving her life still even if the sores are making her uncomfortable. I'd speak to the Dog's Trust to see whether they can offer an alternative which isn't 'final'.

Trying to re-home a dog who's already had thousands spent on a condition without resolution? Really?

frayble · 15/04/2024 16:07

Sorry, just saw in a later post your pup has already seen a specialist. I would ask them if they're able to refer you to anyone else more specialised or potentially a veterinary university - they sometimes take unusual cases as case studies and will treat free of charge.

Sorrentino · 15/04/2024 16:05

is it worth speaking to a shelter to see if she can be re-homed instead of being put to sleep? It sounds like she has a lovely personality and is loving her life still even if the sores are making her uncomfortable. I'd speak to the Dog's Trust to see whether they can offer an alternative which isn't 'final'.

frayble · 15/04/2024 16:04

Has your dog seen a dermatologist or specialist, or is it just your regular vet? A specialist vet is much more likely to be able to diagnosis a condition as well as formulate a treatment plan that actually works. My local vets suggested a certain treatment for my 8 year old staffy, or to put her down. We self referred to North Downs Specialist Referrals, saw a specialist vet and she had a completely different course of treatment which hadn't been offered by our vets (in fact, they hadn't heard of it) which put her condition into remission. I appreciate you've already had a significant financial outlay, however I highly recommend even just a consult with a specialist before making the final decision to have her put down.

littlejo67 · 15/04/2024 15:58

I would see a specialist vet. One that specialised in dermatological issues.

generalexpert · 15/04/2024 15:19

It's a hard decision. I've put two dogs down in my time. It was amongst the two most difficult things I've ever had to do.

Both dogs walked into the vets. It's the biggest responsibility you have as an owner to judge when it is their time and their quality of life or outlook is not good.

I didn't analyse the decision for too long it was more instinct from owning my dogs for so long.

Absolutely heartbreaking. I'm sorry.

PrincessTeaSet · 15/04/2024 15:04

ConfusedDogMum · 15/04/2024 13:36

@CMOTDibbler neither vet suggested steroids at all. This seems to be something I should ask then about once I speak to them again thank you!

Yes, do ask. Steroids went out of fashion for a while and they do have some side effects but as a last resort they are definitely worth a go. You would want to give them alongside antibiotics initially, start at a higher dose of steroids and if they work, taper them down to the lowest effective dose. Sometimes that means every other day. Or every day.

Crumpleton · 15/04/2024 15:02

PrincessTeaSet · 15/04/2024 15:00

I think he's an orthopaedic surgeon not a dermatologist?

Ah...didn't know that.

PrincessTeaSet · 15/04/2024 15:00

Crumpleton · 15/04/2024 14:56

If I wanted a last attempt at trying I'd find the money to visit Noel Fitzpatick and get his advice.

I think he's an orthopaedic surgeon not a dermatologist?

PrincessTeaSet · 15/04/2024 15:00

ConfusedDogMum · 15/04/2024 13:24

Thank you all for such gentle, kind and helpful comments. It’s certainly helping me to feel better about a conclusion I’d really probably already reached, I just wish it didn’t have to be this way and i think we are all letting our emotions and guilt cloud our judgement on this one.

Totally agree it’s been a wake up call re insurance… although I’ve looked and in order to get cover up to that sum in year we would have paid massively over that amount by this point in her life assuming we’d had cover from when we got her… decent insurance with him cover is so expensive too!

We love animals and always wanted a dog and I never thought I’d say this but I’m not sure I’d ever have another one now 😢

Euthanasia is fine in this scenario.

Pet insurance is hit and miss - you may well have ended up spending a lot anyway with excess, exclusions, raised premiums after the first year so I wouldn't worry too much about that.

Have you tried her on long term steroids? (There's a saying in the vet world that nothing should die without steroids). If not they are worth a go - cheap and cheerful.

Crumpleton · 15/04/2024 14:56

If I wanted a last attempt at trying I'd find the money to visit Noel Fitzpatick and get his advice.

ToBeOrNotToBee · 15/04/2024 14:32

She's in pain, uncomfortable and clearly being driven around the bend with it all.

It's a kindness to let her sleep. I'd rather it be a day early than a day late.

WinterIsHere1990 · 15/04/2024 14:30

I just want to send hugs!

I could have written this post last year 😭My little dog had almost tumour like lumps and towards the end, he just couldn't leave them alone. I spent a fortune at the vets for months.. steroids...pain killers... you name it, we tried it. I bought every lotion going off the internet to try and cure him.

He was still eating...still loving his walks but the quality of his live was being taken over by the constant licking/irritating of the lumps.

One day I just woke up and knew we had to PTS. It was the hardest thing I've ever done... but also the kindest for him. It's set me off just typing it 😢

I think you know deep down when the time is right 🐶

WeShallHaveFogByTeatime · 15/04/2024 14:29

Have you tried her on a natural rearing/anti-inflammatory diet at all?
I personally wouldn't put her through any more operations but I would definitely try diet change first, if you haven't already, before euthanasia.

Mistymountain · 15/04/2024 14:24

I would have the dog PTS, she sounds unhappy and miserable.

TonTonMacoute · 15/04/2024 14:20

VenusClapTrap · 15/04/2024 13:27

I’m sorry op. Animals break your heart.

But I’d never be without them.

When I was younger I would pay any amount and put my pets through anything in order to extend their lives. Now I’m older and wiser, and I think it’s not always kind to put them through the stress and discomfort of operations and invasive treatment. Better a short life and a merry one.

This!

It sounds like you have a few new options to explore, but it's not wrong to want to put an end to an animal suffering, no matter how much you love them.

L1ttledrummergirl · 15/04/2024 14:13

Have you tried a specialist dermatologist? Maybe a referral is needed.

Smokeysgirl · 15/04/2024 14:04

I don't know what area you are in but if it's the North West, I can highly recommend Chris Manning at Hillcrest Vets in Chorley. He is completely honest and is definitely not in it to make money out of people who can't afford it. My lab used to get terrible weeping sores in between his toes, I got told all sorts by other vets, grass seeds etc and got prescribed expensive creams that didn't work. Chris took one look and prescribed steroids, telling me the good news was that they were relatively cheap. They worked within a few days and he never got an infection again.

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