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Why on Earth did Britain join in on shooting down drones fired by Iran???

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 14/04/2024 13:42

I predicted before midnight last night, that Iran is a 4th world nation when it comes to modern warfare and at most, 1% of what they throw at Israel will get through. This morning, we learned that around 330 drones, possibly 3/4 Cruise missiles were fired and all were either shot down by warplanes or the IDF's, Iron Dome system, thankfully. One injury to child reported from falling debris.

Iran had to respond as like any weak leader hanging by the skin of their teeth, IE the Israeli PM authrosied an attack in Syria on Iran's consulate, which in turn killed 4 top generals and was an attack on Iran itself in the eyes of the world

Iran was looking seriously weak as it was putting up with these attacks as above. Iran wanted to prove itself but not go to a full war because like any country, those at the top of the food chain are cowards and do not want to lose their palaces, lifestyles, wealth etc, So Iran gave several days warning and also stated it wont use ballistic missiles which are near impossible to stop

Therefore, last night after giving several days warning, Iran launched the attack.
Thankfully, Iran's dictators had been mislead by their General's about how good these drones are. Iran is now looking like a fool, a very weak fool, as weak as the Israeli PM

Israeli PM started this by attacking Iran's embassy and this was done as the USA was backing off, holding off supplies re attacks on Gaza so the weak PM authrosied the attack knowing full well what may happen

We are in dangerous times now because, Israels PM is very, very weak and may do something that results in a much bigger war where many innocents are killed. Sadly, this is what weak leaders do. As you all know once Hamas has been eradicated, Gaza offensive finished the Israeli PM will lose his job so its in his interest to keep on fighting

Iran fully supports the proxies that are in Israel and surrounding areas

WTF did our stupid leader in number 10 allow Britain's planes to shoot down missiles? I bet you that in the heads of mad people, lone wolves, England is now at a great risk from a terrorist attack

Our naval forces depend on scavenging parts from other ships. The aircraft carried, rarely one of them works we never needed one never mind two. They have 2/3 warplanes between the carries. The people of Britain need looking after and our money, possibly tens of millions was thrown down the drain last night and I am guessing that Britain has wasted over 200 million by trying to shoot down Houti missiles and flying warplanes as it costs hundreds of thousands to fly a single warplane for a few hours never mind the missiles being used

AIBU to feel that Sunak and gang were totally wrong to get us/England/Britain involved in a a skirmish by shooting down Iran's drones, the attack that was initiated by Israel's weak PM by attacking Iran's Embassy/Consulate? WTF put us at further risk IE people of the UK and waste hundreds of millions of pounds of our/taxpayers money that could easily be better used!!

To be clear, I fully blame Hamas/their supported who live in 7 star hotels for the murderous attack on the people of Israel on Oct 7ht 2023. I also fully support Israels actions in Gaza to remove terrorists and free hostages

FYI, I blame the Israel PM for allowing the attack on Iran's Embassy/Consulate knowing full-well what may follow

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DdraigGoch · 15/04/2024 14:18

DanceMove · 15/04/2024 14:14

I must have missed that one...

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There were two threads under a misspelling of the username. One where the OP whinged about how unfair it is that pedestrians have right of way now (claiming that it is dangerous but neglecting to remember that the solution is to drive at an appropriate speed and not tailgate) and another where she fantasised about how cyclists should wear numbered tabards.

I haven't actually seen the two you mention.

DanceMove · 15/04/2024 14:14

DdraigGoch · 15/04/2024 14:04

Or road safety

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I must have missed that one...

DdraigGoch · 15/04/2024 14:14

Closer to home, look at NI - it was talks that did the trick

Only once the IRA realised that it wasn't going to get anywhere using violence. Until Iran and its proxies realise the same then there can be no meaningful talks.

DdraigGoch · 15/04/2024 14:04

DanceMove · 15/04/2024 11:06

You mean, you thought her insane ideas were limited to the royal family and university degrees? Grin

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Or road safety

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 15/04/2024 12:27

I was listneing to LBC re this debate

They said some chap from the government on telly this morning was asked a question by the Sky news presenter, how would the UK react of it was attacked by another country like Israel was. The chap was a bit hard pushed to come up with an answer

The bottom line - Israels PM IMO knew Iran would retaliate and make his position stronger. Iran thought out carefully what to do and then told the usa etc via Turkey re its intentions IE respond to Israels attack on its embassy and only to target IDF and gov buildings - -then Iran it clear this was the end of the matter - the good news is as I predicted 99% of the drones/etc did not get through - Israels war cabinet divided on response which is a good thing as it lets them sleep on it

My next prediction. Israel will warn Iran via secret messages that they will only attack a/b and c on a certain date and time and after that the matter would be closed. Hoepfully this will stop this from seculating any further

To get peace in Israel and residents not to live under constant fear of rocket/drone attacks, settlers need to be removed from west bank, Hamas finished but will come back under another name and all hostages released - the Israeli PM is kicked out of office and the Iotollas running Iran are taken over by a more moderate leadership that appeals to a larger proportion of Iranians.

The bottom line - we are already given away possibly more than a billion pounds worth of equipment and missiles to the Ukraine. This thing going on in the middle east - let Saudia Arabia and Jordan/Egypt and Israel sort it out and leave the UK out of it

We must never forget that in the USA, Russia, China, France and the UK, the arms industry is earning thses countries billions and IMO, it is never in their interest to see peace unless its on their terms.

Like many, I'm sad to report that I too fell for the total BS re "WMD in Iraq" - the only WMS in Iraq was Sadams mouth who had been fed lies by his cronies that resulted in Iraq being turned into a cesspit just like Libya and Afghanistan

Some have said and the news bangs on about it that Britain did well in stopping the drones. and stopped the war from escalating. Ask yourself this, will the UK do the same when Israel firest, send its missiles? You know the answer. No wonder the Houtis are attacking UK registered shipping and a few others

We must never forget that the UK is a paper tiger, a pet puppy for the USA. You will recall what the UK did when it took our saliors hostage. No, we did not send in the carriers and RN and RAF or the special forces. It was diplomacy that worked and no matter how long wars go on for, it often ends in negotiations

I'm all for an independent Gaza and west bank that is policed by Egypt initially alonf with a few other countries. Middle eastern countries are rich and could easily make the west bank and Gaza into thriving nations and the likes of Hams would be kicked out by the locals

Closer to home, look at NI - it was talks that did the trick and once most people get peace, they dont want to lose it, hence the few attempts by so-called splinter groups there who tried to bring back the law of gangs were quickly put down with info from locals.

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DanceMove · 15/04/2024 11:06

Magnastorm · 15/04/2024 10:05

I really don't understand how possible it is for the OP to be so misinformed on yet another subject.

You mean, you thought her insane ideas were limited to the royal family and university degrees? Grin

Magnastorm · 15/04/2024 10:05

I really don't understand how possible it is for the OP to be so misinformed on yet another subject.

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 15/04/2024 09:45

Lighteningstrikes · 14/04/2024 23:21

YADNBU

Israel’s leader is another madman in power.

He needs to learn there are consequences.

Unfortunately our tiny broken dot of a country has to follow whatever America does.

Many thanks for the factual post.
TBH, I am more worried re the Ukraine and our gov mouthing off the Russian leader 24/7.

The good news if we can call it that, the Israeli war cabinet delyaed their decison as posted by me last night. This gives them all time to sleep on any retaliation ideas

Iran has played their trump card and has shown itself up to be a 4th rate military organisation just as I predicted before the drones arrived that 99% will be taken out by defensive measures.

Iran's dictoars had not choice but to strike from Iran as those at the top of their food chain were fearing that Israel was getting bolder and would attack their palaces, military installation next so they did this

In a way its a victory for israel that they have shot down most of the 300 odd drones etc fired and allowed a few to land in open spaces in a massive airfield to allow Iran the satisfaction they have taken revenge re the attack on several Generals.

Hopefully, when IDG does launch an attack, Iran will be given 24 hours notice to vacate certain building that belong to the Iotollas and their IRG lot and after that both sides would claim victory

Number 10 is wasting our/taxpayers money by getting involved with everything the USA wants them to do and putting the usa first and the people it governs 3rd.

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MrTiddlesTheCat · 15/04/2024 07:39

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 14/04/2024 19:21

Cheers I have and earlier link

I'm still of the informed judgement that RAF jets should not have been involved.

Does anyone know how much its cost us to be over there?

Breaking: Israeli war cabinet comes out without a decision if to attack Iran or not. This is a good signal and a pointer to what I've said here and other threads, ie IDF will respond but in a very measured way, warn the Iotollas re their intentions and bomb a massive airbase and knock out a few disused buildings. Thankfully this will be the end of this face saving battle for both sides.

I predicted before midnight last night that 99% of Irans drones/Cruise missiles will not get through and it is now a fact

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You're still of the informed judgement that RAF jets shouldn't have been involved? 'Informed judgement'? I'm surprised the security services allow you to attend COBRA meetings and then post your judgement about the briefings on Mumsnet.

Lighteningstrikes · 14/04/2024 23:21

YADNBU

Israel’s leader is another madman in power.

He needs to learn there are consequences.

Unfortunately our tiny broken dot of a country has to follow whatever America does.

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 23:18

DdraigGoch · 14/04/2024 23:04

Given that Iran have been orchestrating attacks on Israel for decades, they can hardly have expected Israel not to retaliate eventually, can they?

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I am sure that if the US had been consulted by Israel who said they were going to carry out their attack in Syria, the US would have advised against it.

That said - the US carries out attacks on other countries. And then itself is a target.

rainingsnoring · 14/04/2024 23:10

Your OP is full of rubbish and very poorly written but on the point of UK involvement, I agree with you. Totally unsurprising though because the UK always follows the US in everything. The lack of diplomacy and sense in this situation and that in Ukraine is shocking and frightening.

DdraigGoch · 14/04/2024 23:04

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 22:58

I would disagree - and yes, the Americans do this.

They also respond militarily if they are attacked somewhere.

Iran has responded. A controlled and signalled response - knowing that they can say they retaliated but not enough to cause Israel to react back. Hopefully.

If you attack a country, you can expect that country to retaliate. If that country does not retaliate, what happens next?

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Given that Iran have been orchestrating attacks on Israel for decades, they can hardly have expected Israel not to retaliate eventually, can they?

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 23:02

Either Iran attacked and it failed because of a poor armoury and a good defence - so people think it's got a weak military. And they did a massive attack which if it had been successful would have provoked Israel into a massive counter attack

Or

Iran attacked knowing that it had been signalled, not caring that the weapons would be shot down / in fact hoping that the signals they had given would meant that they would be shot down, but sending a message saying, we retaliated but don't do something similar again

I hope it's the second one. Because if it was the first one and it had been successful, God knows what would be happening now

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 22:58

DdraigGoch · 14/04/2024 22:45

Assassinating the men coordinating a long list of militias who are attacking you from every direction? Yes, an entirely sensible option. The Americans hit another such officer four years ago. Iran's response wasn't exactly crushing, was it? All bar one of its weapons blown out of the sky.

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I would disagree - and yes, the Americans do this.

They also respond militarily if they are attacked somewhere.

Iran has responded. A controlled and signalled response - knowing that they can say they retaliated but not enough to cause Israel to react back. Hopefully.

If you attack a country, you can expect that country to retaliate. If that country does not retaliate, what happens next?

DdraigGoch · 14/04/2024 22:45

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 22:32

Do you think it was a sensible thing to do ?

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Assassinating the men coordinating a long list of militias who are attacking you from every direction? Yes, an entirely sensible option. The Americans hit another such officer four years ago. Iran's response wasn't exactly crushing, was it? All bar one of its weapons blown out of the sky.

NotTerfNorCis · 14/04/2024 22:43

Agree with the OP that this is obvious face-saving by Iran. The reality is, Israel can do what it wants with America's blessing, but Iran has to at least put on a show of retaliation. The poster who referred to it as 'theatre' is spot on.

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 22:32

DdraigGoch · 14/04/2024 22:25

I notice that there hasn't been a single report of a diplomatic casualty in Damascus. There were however two Brigadier Generals among other military and paramilitary personnel.

The officers headed up Quds Force, which coordinates the various Iranian-backed militias who target Jerusalem (including Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis). So it was a legitimate military target.

Do you think it was a sensible thing to do ?

DdraigGoch · 14/04/2024 22:25

I notice that there hasn't been a single report of a diplomatic casualty in Damascus. There were however two Brigadier Generals among other military and paramilitary personnel.

The officers headed up Quds Force, which coordinates the various Iranian-backed militias who target Jerusalem (including Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis). So it was a legitimate military target.

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 14/04/2024 22:07

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 21:41

Sending slow moving drones that take many hours to arrive is basically saying, shoot me down.

Unless defences can be overwhelmed by volume.

Iron Dome managed to shoot down most of the 1900 rockets fired by Hams and Hezbollah in the firt day so clearly not going to be overwhelmed by this slow and large, dangerous toy.

IMO, if the Israeli PM really wanted to look good and sensible, he take it as a victory having shot down as predicted by me, 99% of the drones etc

The thing is leaders on all sides are often sat in bunkers or 7 start hotels far away and could not care less re the orsinary people they claim to be helping

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passthepenguin · 14/04/2024 22:01

peakygold · 14/04/2024 13:51

We are a NATO country. We have some skin in the fight.

But Israel isn’t part of NATO as far as I’m aware so I don’t understand why the Government is dragging us into this. They are playing a very dangerous game imho.

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 21:41

Sending slow moving drones that take many hours to arrive is basically saying, shoot me down.

Unless defences can be overwhelmed by volume.

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 21:40

So you agree with what I said re signalling about its intentions - but you posted this:

" predicted before midnight last night, that Iran is a 4th world nation when it comes to modern warfare and at most, 1% of what they throw at Israel will get through. This morning, we learned that around 330 drones, possibly 3/4 Cruise missiles were fired and all were either shot down by warplanes or the IDF's, Iron Dome system, thankfully. One injury to child reported from falling debris."

Do you still think Iran is a 4th World nation in modern warfare - or is it just doing something, knowing it would be intercepted - and there is potentially a lot more in its arsenal - and next time, it won't be so easy to intercept?

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 14/04/2024 21:27

takemeawayagain · 14/04/2024 21:22

I got the impression (from what i read on the BBC) that they shot them down to stop things escalating even further. Netanyahu has lost the plot and who knows what he would have done if they had hit.

So how many did our RAF and RN manage to shoot down?

Will they/raf/rn shoot down Israels response to "stop things escalating"??

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Tattletwat · 14/04/2024 21:26

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 14/04/2024 21:16

TBH, forgot about that must have been at least 20 year ago but usa and iran were at massive odds because usa disagreed with the regime change that previously favoured the west

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This just proves you are just a idiot commenting it really does.

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