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To nominate the principle authors of the CASS review for this..

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NameChangeCass · 14/04/2024 09:47

“Advocates of evidence based medicine have criticised the adoption of interventions evaluated by using only observational data. We think that everyone might benefit if the most radical protagonists of evidence based medicine organised and participated in a double blind, randomised, placebo controlled, crossover trial of the parachute.”

https://www.bmj.com/content/327/7429/1459.short?fbclid=IwAR0hTt57o-yFS61aJE-IGCpKSPaDs--rdrPlbiby_wBCF1czpAWDaCcAEcM_aem_ATiWMtvZxiSzw8pj9CX271gyDByuMHTOKwQskBcCXx9aZOj1IPusHJ_z79olcRiFlhE

Parachute use to prevent death and major trauma related to gravitational challenge: systematic review of randomised controlled trials

Objectives To determine whether parachutes are effective in preventing major trauma related to gravitational challenge. Design Systematic review of randomised controlled trials. Data sources: Medline, Web of Science, Embase, and the Cochrane Library...

https://www.bmj.com/content/327/7429/1459.short?fbclid=IwAR0hTt57o-yFS61aJE-IGCpKSPaDs--rdrPlbiby_wBCF1czpAWDaCcAEcM_aem_ATiWMtvZxiSzw8pj9CX271gyDByuMHTOKwQskBcCXx9aZOj1IPusHJ_z79olcRiFlhE

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MeDaughterMerope · 22/04/2024 03:17

People like you have championed the sterilisation of vulnerable children and the gig is soon to be up.
That's the bottom line.

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NameChangeCass · 22/04/2024 03:05

People like your “health and science journalist” can continue to insist that some studies, deemed “moderate quality”, were discussed in the York systematic reviews and Cass’s final report. They were, but when it came to drawing inferences from the evidence their results were dismissed as “insufficient”. It was declared that, due to a “lack of high quality research…no conclusions can be drawn”. (Eg page 184 Cass).

This is the bottom line.

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NameChangeCass · 22/04/2024 02:33

Theeyeballsinthesky · 21/04/2024 19:35

here is an article dealing with the misinformation being spread by TRA about Cass by a health & science journalist

https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/fact-checking-critics-of-the-cass

(as opposed to an Internet random)

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Yet None of the factual claims by this “health and science” journalist contradict any of the information provided in this thread.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1781730844798820808.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHSjl17Xf24zaf8VJ6VAgrc33C5jxfbj2iiDb7elAxhpeZYiWizi5Z2kgVw_aem_Aaquu8DB2gpIAONhQvZJ67O5S1JCTQAXHaJ96pgniuXS_1-q5ywVPKUKOukDoqrBXO4

Thread by @Simon_Whitten on Thread Reader App

@Simon_Whitten: Did the Cass Review disregard the evidence of all but 2 of 103 studies on puberty blockers & hormones to reach it’s conclusions? Yes and no. I’d like to offer a brief breakdown of what...…

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1781730844798820808.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHSjl17Xf24zaf8VJ6VAgrc33C5jxfbj2iiDb7elAxhpeZYiWizi5Z2kgVw_aem_Aaquu8DB2gpIAONhQvZJ67O5S1JCTQAXHaJ96pgniuXS_1-q5ywVPKUKOukDoqrBXO4

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Andr0meda · 22/04/2024 00:49

NameChangeCass · 14/04/2024 14:36

Honestly? Because we know that withholding vital health services from an extremely vulnerable group of children is only going to cause them immeasurable suffering.
Because we know that PBs are a safe and effective medicine that can help until children are ready for HRT. Because we know that the assault on transgender medicine is based on erroneous and flawed politically driven beliefs that being trans is not a real and legitimate thing and this is so so wrong.

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This convinced me you are a male.

TheClogLady · 21/04/2024 22:43

NameChangeCass · 21/04/2024 19:21

this isn’t about the identity of the person who wrote the thread , it’s just accurate information. You can verify it yourself if you aren’t convinced and care to inform yourself.

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Why are you so keen to justify the chemical castration of gay and autistic minors, OP?

We’ve read the Cass Report, all 388 pages, this Random Thread from a Random Man isn’t the rebuttal you are imagining it to be.

TheKeatingFive · 21/04/2024 21:17

OP, you're just grasping at straws now.

Look, I get that you desperately don't want the Cass report to be valid, but this is about more than your job or your own investment in this issue. These kids deserve properly evidenced medical care. And they have not been getting that.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/04/2024 21:08

Sorry meant to quote the OP.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/04/2024 21:08

I just wanted to leave this here, to clarify the debate about what evidence was and was not taken into account in forming conclusions and recommendations in Cass’s final report.

It doesn't "clarify" anything. Read the report, all this is dealt with. You can follow the links in Colin Wright's excellent piece linked by @Theeyeballsinthesky

bridgetreilly · 21/04/2024 19:51

NameChangeCass · 21/04/2024 19:09

Being trans is not a real and legitimate thing

Eek. I think it’s important to leave this here.

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Feel free to leave it anywhere and everywhere. The sooner people wake up and realise this, the better for everyone, especially teens going through transitional gender confusion during puberty.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 21/04/2024 19:35

NameChangeCass · 21/04/2024 19:21

this isn’t about the identity of the person who wrote the thread , it’s just accurate information. You can verify it yourself if you aren’t convinced and care to inform yourself.

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here is an article dealing with the misinformation being spread by TRA about Cass by a health & science journalist

https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/fact-checking-critics-of-the-cass

(as opposed to an Internet random)

Fact Checking Critics of the Cass Review

A flood of false claims about England’s Cass Review has coursed across social media and the press and among activists and academics. If only they had actually read it.

https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/fact-checking-critics-of-the-cass

Waitwhat23 · 21/04/2024 19:21

'I'll just leave this here' is one of the annoyingly twee phrases imaginable.

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NameChangeCass · 21/04/2024 19:21

Theeyeballsinthesky · 21/04/2024 19:16

A thread by a he/him so a believer of the ideology with absolutely no Information in his bio about what qualifications he has which means we should listen to him over a qualified doctor with decades of experience plus a university team following tried & tested methodology of evaluating the quality of research

yeah I’m totally convinced

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this isn’t about the identity of the person who wrote the thread , it’s just accurate information. You can verify it yourself if you aren’t convinced and care to inform yourself.

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AllPrincessAnneshorses · 21/04/2024 19:19

NameChangeCass · 14/04/2024 09:47

“Advocates of evidence based medicine have criticised the adoption of interventions evaluated by using only observational data. We think that everyone might benefit if the most radical protagonists of evidence based medicine organised and participated in a double blind, randomised, placebo controlled, crossover trial of the parachute.”

https://www.bmj.com/content/327/7429/1459.short?fbclid=IwAR0hTt57o-yFS61aJE-IGCpKSPaDs--rdrPlbiby_wBCF1czpAWDaCcAEcM_aem_ATiWMtvZxiSzw8pj9CX271gyDByuMHTOKwQskBcCXx9aZOj1IPusHJ_z79olcRiFlhE

  1. There are 51 other studies which said the exact opposite 2. This isn't a gold standard trial because in the nature of things it's impossible [you know if you're going through puberty or not] 3. Funny how wonderful something is that confirms all your prejudices. 🙄
Theeyeballsinthesky · 21/04/2024 19:16

NameChangeCass · 21/04/2024 19:03

I just wanted to leave this here, to clarify the debate about what evidence was and was not taken into account in forming conclusions and recommendations in Cass’s final report.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1781730844798820808.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHSjl17Xf24zaf8VJ6VAgrc33C5jxfbj2iiDb7elAxhpeZYiWizi5Z2kgVw_aem_Aaquu8DB2gpIAONhQvZJ67O5S1JCTQAXHaJ96pgniuXS_1-q5ywVPKUKOukDoqrBXO4

A thread by a he/him so a believer of the ideology with absolutely no Information in his bio about what qualifications he has which means we should listen to him over a qualified doctor with decades of experience plus a university team following tried & tested methodology of evaluating the quality of research

yeah I’m totally convinced

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NameChangeCass · 21/04/2024 19:14

theilltemperedclavecinist · 16/04/2024 10:04

OP doesn't hate trans kids. But they also don't even entertain the possibility that people who choose hormones and surgery will enjoy better medical outcomes if they defer the process until their bodies have completely matured.

If this is about passing, it shows a bigoted attitude to non-passing trans people (and indeed extremely non-gender conforming people generally), by prioritising superficial social acceptability over physical health.

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NameChangeCass · 21/04/2024 19:09

bridgetreilly · 16/04/2024 10:49

Being trans is not a real and legitimate thing. It is a label which covers at least three separate conditions:

  1. Gender dysphoria. This is a real, though rare, psychiatric disorder which does not need hormonal treatment.
  2. Autogynaephilia. This is a male sexual fetish which does not need hormonal treatment.
  3. Transitional puberty confusion. This is a normal response to physical and emotional changes through puberty. Frequent comorbidities include autism, other neurodivergence, anxiety and depression. This usually resolves by adulthood unless treated with medical and/or surgical interventions. Hormonal treatment merely prolongs the confusion.

Being trans is not a real and legitimate thing

Eek. I think it’s important to leave this here.

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NameChangeCass · 21/04/2024 19:06

DerekFaker · 16/04/2024 15:10

So why did you spend so much of this thread citing a document that wasn't the Cass Report and that was dishonestly cropped?

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I apologise for sharing that. In the heat of this debate I misunderstood its origins and I should have done more due diligence.

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NameChangeCass · 21/04/2024 19:03

I just wanted to leave this here, to clarify the debate about what evidence was and was not taken into account in forming conclusions and recommendations in Cass’s final report.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1781730844798820808.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHSjl17Xf24zaf8VJ6VAgrc33C5jxfbj2iiDb7elAxhpeZYiWizi5Z2kgVw_aem_Aaquu8DB2gpIAONhQvZJ67O5S1JCTQAXHaJ96pgniuXS_1-q5ywVPKUKOukDoqrBXO4

Thread by @Simon_Whitten on Thread Reader App

@Simon_Whitten: Did the Cass Review disregard the evidence of all but 2 of 103 studies on puberty blockers & hormones to reach it’s conclusions? Yes and no. I’d like to offer a brief breakdown of what...…

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1781730844798820808.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHSjl17Xf24zaf8VJ6VAgrc33C5jxfbj2iiDb7elAxhpeZYiWizi5Z2kgVw_aem_Aaquu8DB2gpIAONhQvZJ67O5S1JCTQAXHaJ96pgniuXS_1-q5ywVPKUKOukDoqrBXO4

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DerekFaker · 16/04/2024 15:10

NameChangeCass · 14/04/2024 15:00

This is the standard which I have rigorously sought to apply in reaching my conclusions. If everyone would do the same in good faith , I really believe we could more forward in a more productive way.

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So why did you spend so much of this thread citing a document that wasn't the Cass Report and that was dishonestly cropped?

bridgetreilly · 16/04/2024 10:49

Being trans is not a real and legitimate thing. It is a label which covers at least three separate conditions:

  1. Gender dysphoria. This is a real, though rare, psychiatric disorder which does not need hormonal treatment.
  2. Autogynaephilia. This is a male sexual fetish which does not need hormonal treatment.
  3. Transitional puberty confusion. This is a normal response to physical and emotional changes through puberty. Frequent comorbidities include autism, other neurodivergence, anxiety and depression. This usually resolves by adulthood unless treated with medical and/or surgical interventions. Hormonal treatment merely prolongs the confusion.
theilltemperedclavecinist · 16/04/2024 10:04

WestBridgfordTornado · 15/04/2024 23:22

Why do you hate trans kids so much that you are prepared to experiment on them? Surely they deserve evidence based care that does not result in lifelong physical damage?.

OP doesn't hate trans kids. But they also don't even entertain the possibility that people who choose hormones and surgery will enjoy better medical outcomes if they defer the process until their bodies have completely matured.

If this is about passing, it shows a bigoted attitude to non-passing trans people (and indeed extremely non-gender conforming people generally), by prioritising superficial social acceptability over physical health.

RandomButtons · 16/04/2024 10:02

NameChangeCass · 14/04/2024 09:47

“Advocates of evidence based medicine have criticised the adoption of interventions evaluated by using only observational data. We think that everyone might benefit if the most radical protagonists of evidence based medicine organised and participated in a double blind, randomised, placebo controlled, crossover trial of the parachute.”

https://www.bmj.com/content/327/7429/1459.short?fbclid=IwAR0hTt57o-yFS61aJE-IGCpKSPaDs--rdrPlbiby_wBCF1czpAWDaCcAEcM_aem_ATiWMtvZxiSzw8pj9CX271gyDByuMHTOKwQskBcCXx9aZOj1IPusHJ_z79olcRiFlhE

Parachutes were effectively tested en masse by the military in WWII and proved very effective, and have proved effective ever since.

They are in no way comparable to a medical drug. I don’t understand your point.

Astariel · 16/04/2024 09:54

It’s really astounding, isn’t it?

You’d think TRAs would be the ones shouting loudest about the need to have the best possible evidence to ensure children with gender dysphoria get the most appropriate treatment.

Instead what we get is a lot of angry deflection to avoid explaining why this movement is so fixated on preventing puberty at any cost.

StormyAprilSkies · 16/04/2024 08:42

WestBridgfordTornado · 15/04/2024 23:22

Why do you hate trans kids so much that you are prepared to experiment on them? Surely they deserve evidence based care that does not result in lifelong physical damage?.

Yes.

Offer care. Offer counselling. Find out why they hate their own body so much that they think its the 'wrong one'.

Don't Offer drugs that cause irreparable damage to children. Binders that harm. Lop bits off. That doesn't solve underlying mental health issues.

WestBridgfordTornado · 15/04/2024 23:22

Why do you hate trans kids so much that you are prepared to experiment on them? Surely they deserve evidence based care that does not result in lifelong physical damage?.