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Dog attacking child - not stopping to help

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Idioticparents · 14/04/2024 09:36

So, I’m walking my dogs on the beach. See a border collie on a lead being walked by what I presume is mum, dad and child. No problem - my dogs are trained to come to me whenever they see another dog (not that they go far tbh).

BC is clearly not friendly. It’s frozen. Stiff. Licking its lips as I go by. No issue. Give it a wide birth (10 or so meters given the tide is high) keep half an eye on it. Owners don’t real it in and keep it on the log line (full length stretched with dog nearly choking itself).

Child (about 8/9) walks up to dog as parents watch and wraps its arms around the dogs neck from behind. Obviously the dog attacks child. Parents wrestle dog off child.

Now, here is my am I being unreasonable - I didn’t stop. I just kept walking. Kid had two parents with him and I had my dogs nearby waiting to walk on. As I walked away I got a tonne of abuse for not stopping. But why would I? IMO the dog had attack its owners child and if it’s going to do that then I am not going near it. Partner says IWU not to help.

OP posts:
LoveLifeBeHappy · 15/04/2024 20:19

Idioticparents · 14/04/2024 09:36

So, I’m walking my dogs on the beach. See a border collie on a lead being walked by what I presume is mum, dad and child. No problem - my dogs are trained to come to me whenever they see another dog (not that they go far tbh).

BC is clearly not friendly. It’s frozen. Stiff. Licking its lips as I go by. No issue. Give it a wide birth (10 or so meters given the tide is high) keep half an eye on it. Owners don’t real it in and keep it on the log line (full length stretched with dog nearly choking itself).

Child (about 8/9) walks up to dog as parents watch and wraps its arms around the dogs neck from behind. Obviously the dog attacks child. Parents wrestle dog off child.

Now, here is my am I being unreasonable - I didn’t stop. I just kept walking. Kid had two parents with him and I had my dogs nearby waiting to walk on. As I walked away I got a tonne of abuse for not stopping. But why would I? IMO the dog had attack its owners child and if it’s going to do that then I am not going near it. Partner says IWU not to help.

Everyone is different.

Personally, if I see a dog attacking a child, I would help. If that means grabbing a stick or some sharp object to attack the dog I will. Any dog which attacks a child should be kept away from public, or have a muzzle on it.

OldPerson · 15/04/2024 19:45

Don't be an idiot. You were walking a dog. However trained you think your dog is. You don't know how your dog will react in the moment. Don't be an arrogant muppet.

You recall the dog walker mauled to death. All dogs were sectioned. How much did even the poodle/cockapoo participate in mauling the dog walker to death? Or how distressed did they become. Dogs are dogs. The call of the pack is usually stronger than an owner - especially in unforseen circumstances.

But how much would you then trust the dog that had been involved in the fatal mauling? How traumatised was that dog?

Everyone wants their pet kept safe. But seriously love to know the outcomes of that pack of dogs, being dog-walked, when dog walker was mauled to death.

But assuming, all peace is restored.

How much help do you think your dog is jumping excitedly around after the event?

If an animal is causing a problem. And you have an animal. Probably best to remove your animal from the site. (Just in case it escalates and your animal is put down.)

GoldEagle · 15/04/2024 19:33

You were quite right to move on, adding yourself and your dogs to the situation could have made it worse. The parents should have been more aware of their dog's behaviour and teach their kid not to grab a dog's neck from behind.

PurplePumkin · 15/04/2024 19:30

K0OLA1D · 15/04/2024 19:23

Not only does a collie need to be on a lead, it needs to be a short lead and also muzzled!

Have you not RTFT!!

I’ve read the full thread thank you. What makes you think there was an attack from a dog??

Collies are the most intelligent dogs and easily trained (because of their intelligence). I have a few. What about you? There is absolutely no need for a collie to be leashed - unless they are owned by a useless idiot!

If the cap fits wear it.

Hmm1234 · 15/04/2024 19:26

so nonchalant 😂

K0OLA1D · 15/04/2024 19:23

PurplePumkin · 15/04/2024 19:17

No collie should be kept on a lead. Again it’s the pathetic owner having no idea of their dogs basic need to run.

In this scenario the beach was free of people and other dogs (except for OP and her very well trained dogs). Why on earth was the collie on a lead? Forget it. You, obviously, have no idea. I just hope you don’t have a dog. Please don’t say you have a collie that you keep on a lead 🙏

Not only does a collie need to be on a lead, it needs to be a short lead and also muzzled!

Have you not RTFT!!

PurplePumkin · 15/04/2024 19:17

SoupDragon · 15/04/2024 17:56

A collie on a lead on a secluded beach! Poor dog 🥲

yeah, because it would have been SO much better to have a reactive dog running free 🤦🏻‍♀️

No collie should be kept on a lead. Again it’s the pathetic owner having no idea of their dogs basic need to run.

In this scenario the beach was free of people and other dogs (except for OP and her very well trained dogs). Why on earth was the collie on a lead? Forget it. You, obviously, have no idea. I just hope you don’t have a dog. Please don’t say you have a collie that you keep on a lead 🙏

Ifhappylittlebluebirdsfly222 · 15/04/2024 18:56

YeahComeOnThen · 15/04/2024 12:00

@Ifhappylittlebluebirdsfly222

vicious attack. You have made this up.

it jumped up at the child it lives with, whose parents were both there, the dog was on a lead. The kid shouted out once (got a fright)

the ridiculous parents shouted abuse at the OP, for upsetting their dog (which she'd already made walk in the water!) they didn't wind the long lead in, they didn't stop their child from approaching their dog from behind...

the child needs saving, but from its parents not the dog.

Fair enough. The thread title says attack though so that's where I got attack from.

RecklessGoddess · 15/04/2024 18:26

100% NOT unreasonable, if you had trued to help, the other dog would have either attacked you or your dog. Shame on anyone who tries to make you feel bad, about protecting yourself and your own dog!!!

SoupDragon · 15/04/2024 17:56

A collie on a lead on a secluded beach! Poor dog 🥲

yeah, because it would have been SO much better to have a reactive dog running free 🤦🏻‍♀️

PurplePumkin · 15/04/2024 16:24

A collie on a lead on a secluded beach! Poor dog 🥲 The other owners are a disgrace. I’m not sure if they shouted at you because you didn’t help during the attack (which tbh doesn’t sound like an attack) or if you allowed your dogs too close to their reactive dog (which shouldn’t have been allowed to run a full length of a long line with other dogs approaching anyway).

My dogs are well trained. I come across friendly, off leash out of control dogs every day. “He just wants to play”. Yeah well mine don’t. Call them please (but they can’t because they have never taught a solid recall 😏) I won’t allow my dogs anywhere near a reactive dog who is obviously on high alert. I probably would have offered assistance if a child had been involved in a dog attack but this doesn’t sound as if it was an attack. I’m confused by this thread tbh

CammyChameleon · 15/04/2024 12:03

The people familiar with and responsible for the dog and child are both present and although it's just gone for the child the dog is not rampaging around out of control, so with some common sense they should be able to deal with it.

Introducing yourself and your dogs into that situation could turn it into a bloodbath.

YeahComeOnThen · 15/04/2024 12:00

Ifhappylittlebluebirdsfly222 · 15/04/2024 09:33

I think if I was physically closest to the child I'd want to intervene, giving the child the best chance of being saved from a vicious attack before any other adult could get there. But I do understand it's more complicated if you have your own dogs with you who might make the situation worse.
It probably just didn't look great if a child was being attacked next to you and you just casually walked past.

@Ifhappylittlebluebirdsfly222

vicious attack. You have made this up.

it jumped up at the child it lives with, whose parents were both there, the dog was on a lead. The kid shouted out once (got a fright)

the ridiculous parents shouted abuse at the OP, for upsetting their dog (which she'd already made walk in the water!) they didn't wind the long lead in, they didn't stop their child from approaching their dog from behind...

the child needs saving, but from its parents not the dog.

YeahComeOnThen · 15/04/2024 11:51

Catsmere · 15/04/2024 08:05

Yes, she mentioned the dog turning/jumping at the child in response to the hug, and the child briefly screaming - it could have been from fright as much as anything else.

I feel sorry for the collie in this situation, he or she is obviously scared and not being at all well cared for.

@Catsmere

Exactly.

Ifhappylittlebluebirdsfly222 · 15/04/2024 09:33

I think if I was physically closest to the child I'd want to intervene, giving the child the best chance of being saved from a vicious attack before any other adult could get there. But I do understand it's more complicated if you have your own dogs with you who might make the situation worse.
It probably just didn't look great if a child was being attacked next to you and you just casually walked past.

Idioticparents · 15/04/2024 09:27

VestibuleVirgin · 15/04/2024 09:03

how can you be so sure nothing will come of it?

Because I just don't think the police will do anything (but I have a very low opinion of them admittedly, having lived in London for many years).

OP posts:
Tessisme · 15/04/2024 09:18

You definitely did the only sensible thing @Idioticparents. The dog reacted to your dogs. It is ridiculous for anyone to suggest that you should have hung around accompanied by the very thing that triggered the dog's initial reaction. The dog could have attacked your dogs, or attacked you. Those parents need to sort their own shit.

VestibuleVirgin · 15/04/2024 09:03

Idioticparents · 14/04/2024 09:55

That was my rationale. My dogs are great. But you can never be sure! It’s just not a risk to take.

I rang the police when I got back to my car and reported the attack. Nothing will come of it, of course.

how can you be so sure nothing will come of it?

Cantgetausername87 · 15/04/2024 09:01

@Idioticparents yes that's exactly what you did, and you asked on the Internet if you were being unreasonable.
The concensus is that you weren't so you can go ahead and sleep easy.

Catsmere · 15/04/2024 08:57

Idioticparents · 15/04/2024 08:42

Apparently I do.

I’m not putting myself or my dogs in danger for a child that had both its (aggressive) parents there. I needed to keep as much focus as I could on my own dogs - not potentially escalate the situation.

Having slept on it I am even more convinced I did the right thing because tbh I wouldn’t have put it past the parents, given the way they reacted, to try and claim my dogs were responsible for the incident.

Well said, OP.

I'm beginning to think @Cantgetausername87 is just on a wind-up.

Newestname002 · 15/04/2024 08:51

@Idioticparents

He thinks that the dogs are trained enough that if I put them in a sit/wait they would wait. They probably would have waited. But, I wasn't willing to risk it - they're still dogs at the end of the day. Even the most placid dogs will come to their owners aide if something happens to them (PPs have noted examples of this). I didn't want to risk them or myself. But he still thinks that they would have been fine (and continues to hold that line).

That's what HE would do. You, actually whilst this was happening, did what YOU thought is right for you, your dogs and the other family. And that's OK too. 🌹

Newestname002 · 15/04/2024 08:42

@Idioticparents

'FUCKING STUPID BITCH', 'FUCKING COME BACK HERE' 'HER FUCKING DOGS STARTED IT' (whilst the charming parents yelled at each other over who was at fault...).

What's that phrase? "Can't argue without the stupid"? Add to that negligent and abusive..

You did the right thing by yourself, your dogs and the child and his family, whatever they think. Calling the police to report the incidence once you and your dog were safely in your car was the right thing to do. 🌹

Idioticparents · 15/04/2024 08:42

Cantgetausername87 · 15/04/2024 08:19

@Catsmere should've checked the child was OK?
Who walks away from something like that completely unphased. You're all rushing to defend this behaviour but think about it.
She just left and didn't even cast a gaze backwards to see the child was OK.
Who does that?

Apparently I do.

I’m not putting myself or my dogs in danger for a child that had both its (aggressive) parents there. I needed to keep as much focus as I could on my own dogs - not potentially escalate the situation.

Having slept on it I am even more convinced I did the right thing because tbh I wouldn’t have put it past the parents, given the way they reacted, to try and claim my dogs were responsible for the incident.

OP posts:
Cantgetausername87 · 15/04/2024 08:19

@Catsmere should've checked the child was OK?
Who walks away from something like that completely unphased. You're all rushing to defend this behaviour but think about it.
She just left and didn't even cast a gaze backwards to see the child was OK.
Who does that?

Catsmere · 15/04/2024 08:10

Cantgetausername87 · 15/04/2024 08:06

So I wish you all a speedy recovery and hope you're never in need of help in public.

BOTH the boy's parents were there. What was OP supposed to do, not least since they launched straight into screaming abuse at her?

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