Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Dog attacking child - not stopping to help

315 replies

Idioticparents · 14/04/2024 09:36

So, I’m walking my dogs on the beach. See a border collie on a lead being walked by what I presume is mum, dad and child. No problem - my dogs are trained to come to me whenever they see another dog (not that they go far tbh).

BC is clearly not friendly. It’s frozen. Stiff. Licking its lips as I go by. No issue. Give it a wide birth (10 or so meters given the tide is high) keep half an eye on it. Owners don’t real it in and keep it on the log line (full length stretched with dog nearly choking itself).

Child (about 8/9) walks up to dog as parents watch and wraps its arms around the dogs neck from behind. Obviously the dog attacks child. Parents wrestle dog off child.

Now, here is my am I being unreasonable - I didn’t stop. I just kept walking. Kid had two parents with him and I had my dogs nearby waiting to walk on. As I walked away I got a tonne of abuse for not stopping. But why would I? IMO the dog had attack its owners child and if it’s going to do that then I am not going near it. Partner says IWU not to help.

OP posts:
GoldEagle · 16/04/2024 14:37

LoveLifeBeHappy · 15/04/2024 20:19

Everyone is different.

Personally, if I see a dog attacking a child, I would help. If that means grabbing a stick or some sharp object to attack the dog I will. Any dog which attacks a child should be kept away from public, or have a muzzle on it.

OP had her own dogs with her, adding them to the situation could have easily made it worse. It's up to the parents of the kid to sort their own dog out.

K0OLA1D · 16/04/2024 14:33

threatmatrix · 16/04/2024 14:06

I think it’s down to nature. I would have immediately jumped into the situation as a child was being attacked. I would not have given it a second chance and would gladly get hurt for a child. This is the problem with todays society.

And made the whole situation 10 times worse. Well done you!

Hoppinggreen · 16/04/2024 14:12

threatmatrix · 16/04/2024 14:06

I think it’s down to nature. I would have immediately jumped into the situation as a child was being attacked. I would not have given it a second chance and would gladly get hurt for a child. This is the problem with todays society.

FFS.
It was because OP had her dogs with her that this happened, the Collie was dog reactive and most likley bit the child because it couldnt reach the other dogs - its called Redirection.
What do you think she should have done with her own dogs while "jumping into the situation" that would not have made things infinitely worse?
Of course most people would help a child being attacked by a dog but quite sensibly OP removed herself and her dogs from the situation to not inflame it

threatmatrix · 16/04/2024 14:06

I think it’s down to nature. I would have immediately jumped into the situation as a child was being attacked. I would not have given it a second chance and would gladly get hurt for a child. This is the problem with todays society.

GabriellaFaith · 16/04/2024 12:21

Hoppinggreen · 16/04/2024 11:21

Even if they were shouting abuse at you?

She got the abuse BECAUSE she didn't stop. The question was should she have stopped.

I'm addition to that, even if the abuse had come first, it's not the child's fault, so to me it's irrelevant weather the adults were shouting or not.

Hoppinggreen · 16/04/2024 11:21

GabriellaFaith · 16/04/2024 11:07

One thing to not physically go and help, but I would expect you to at least visually see if the kid was okay and shout over do you need help.

Dog attacks can be really bad and they might have needed an ambulance, something to put pressure on a wound etc.

Yes it was the parents fault, yes the parents were trying to sort it.

But the issue is a child was hurt, unknown how badly. Regardless of circumstance I wouldn't want or expect r people to just keep walking like nothing happened.

Even if they were shouting abuse at you?

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 16/04/2024 11:17

If I were walking my dogs and were subjected to a mouthful of vile abuse by people with a dog that was clearly not under control in spite of being on the end of a long lead, I wouldn't feel much inclined to do anything for them. They would be exceedingly unlikely to allow me anywhere near their child anyway, if they had so clearly decided I was the villain of their little melodrama, so what would be the point?

Shouting to them, which they would certainly read as "at them", would simply escalate their animosity and might lead to one of them physically attacking me, which would be no help whatever.

And if I were in charge (hah!) of an out of control dog which had just bitten someone, I absolutely would want people to walk on by; I wouldn't in the least want them and their dogs added to my already chaotic problem.

GabriellaFaith · 16/04/2024 11:07

One thing to not physically go and help, but I would expect you to at least visually see if the kid was okay and shout over do you need help.

Dog attacks can be really bad and they might have needed an ambulance, something to put pressure on a wound etc.

Yes it was the parents fault, yes the parents were trying to sort it.

But the issue is a child was hurt, unknown how badly. Regardless of circumstance I wouldn't want or expect r people to just keep walking like nothing happened.

Danielle9891 · 16/04/2024 09:03

You did the right thing. If you walked over with your dogs then it could have been harder for the parents to get their dog under control. They should have noticed that their dog was focusing on your dogs and not let the child near it.

If I was you I'd think of getting a go pro to wear when your walking your dog, as you never know people like this might try to blame you. I think hospitals now have to report all dog attacks on children to the police now. (My local hospital does anyway)

Tessisme · 16/04/2024 07:46

I don’t need evidence of a non dog attack thanks. What makes you think the child suffered an attack from a dog? A squeal doesn’t = dog attack. Especially when you didn’t look back.

If it was such a non event @PurplePumkin, then why did the parents verbally abuse the OP for not stepping in? It was pretty much the whole point of OP's thread. I suppose you must have missed that.

PurplePumkin · 16/04/2024 00:45

Idioticparents · 15/04/2024 21:43

I mean...I have two dogs. So I am hardly a dog hater.

Next time I see a dog lunge at a child, I'll ask it to stop and get my phone out to start recording and then tell it to proceed with making contact with said child. Then I'll send you the video evidence.

Edited

I don’t need evidence of a non dog attack thanks. What makes you think the child suffered an attack from a dog? A squeal doesn’t = dog attack. Especially when you didn’t look back.

I didn’t say you were a dog hater but you’ve certainly managed to get the dog haters frothing about an attack that you didn’t witness. It doesn’t take much on MN. The mention of dog usually does it.

eastegg · 16/04/2024 00:09

Æthelred · 14/04/2024 10:18

Is it possible that the abusive bystanders assumed that the collie was yours?

It is possible to permanently stop a dog by using an everyday object such as a ballpoint pen - if a dog has its jaws clamped round someone else's limb and you press the pen deep into a dog's eye socket you will end the attack immediately and forever; however it takes enormous attitude and emotional fitness to be able to do this; I'm not sure whether I'd be able to do it, especially if I didn't know the other parties involved

Good grief, how is this guide on how to kill a dog remotely helpful, or invited by the OP or any other poster on here?

0sm0nthus · 15/04/2024 23:18

The parents were lashing out because they were at fault and they felt humiliated at having been seen. In other words they felt ambushed and responded by attacking back in a very knee jerk/shoot from the hip manner😬
Rough as dogs no doubt👀

mandlerparr · 15/04/2024 23:00

Why should you have intervened more than any others? They don't know what your dogs would have done if you brought them close to the attack. You never really know.

SoupDragon · 15/04/2024 22:33

PurplePumkin · 15/04/2024 19:17

No collie should be kept on a lead. Again it’s the pathetic owner having no idea of their dogs basic need to run.

In this scenario the beach was free of people and other dogs (except for OP and her very well trained dogs). Why on earth was the collie on a lead? Forget it. You, obviously, have no idea. I just hope you don’t have a dog. Please don’t say you have a collie that you keep on a lead 🙏

No, I don't have a dog. He was PTS 6 months ago.

so shut up.

This oh so intelligent and well behaved collie had to be wrestled off a child. Did you miss that bit?

echt · 15/04/2024 22:17

PurplePumkin · 15/04/2024 21:21

Ah.. I get it. You expect every poster to remember who said what on a lengthy thread full of nonsense. Ok then… 😏

Can anyone tell me if the dog on this thread attacked? Because I don’t see it. Prove me wrong.

As far as I can see this is just another thread to get the dog haters frothing
🙄

It seems you succeeded OP.

The dog attacked the child. It says it in the OP's OP.

Jumpers4goalposts · 15/04/2024 22:09

Adding more dogs to the mix would never be a good idea.

Not a child but I had to stand and watch my DH fending two off lead Rottweilers off our on lead Dachshund on a beach once as I had our Labrador and I knew going over there two help would just add a load of heat. It was horrible luckily although they did bite her they were playing, and eventually their owners got off their arses and came and got their dogs.

Idioticparents · 15/04/2024 21:43

PurplePumkin · 15/04/2024 21:21

Ah.. I get it. You expect every poster to remember who said what on a lengthy thread full of nonsense. Ok then… 😏

Can anyone tell me if the dog on this thread attacked? Because I don’t see it. Prove me wrong.

As far as I can see this is just another thread to get the dog haters frothing
🙄

It seems you succeeded OP.

I mean...I have two dogs. So I am hardly a dog hater.

Next time I see a dog lunge at a child, I'll ask it to stop and get my phone out to start recording and then tell it to proceed with making contact with said child. Then I'll send you the video evidence.

OP posts:
CherrySocks · 15/04/2024 21:41

So their dog was hostile to your dogs, and they didn't reel their dog in, they didn't tell their child not to try to hug their dog, their dog attacked their child, and they blamed a passerby walking with dogs 10 metres away.

How anyone can think anything was your fault I cannot understand.

K0OLA1D · 15/04/2024 21:30

PurplePumkin · 15/04/2024 21:21

Ah.. I get it. You expect every poster to remember who said what on a lengthy thread full of nonsense. Ok then… 😏

Can anyone tell me if the dog on this thread attacked? Because I don’t see it. Prove me wrong.

As far as I can see this is just another thread to get the dog haters frothing
🙄

It seems you succeeded OP.

Jeeeesus. There is definitely frothing.

PurplePumkin · 15/04/2024 21:21

K0OLA1D · 15/04/2024 20:57

You haven't read the full thread then. Or you'd know I was taking the piss

Ah.. I get it. You expect every poster to remember who said what on a lengthy thread full of nonsense. Ok then… 😏

Can anyone tell me if the dog on this thread attacked? Because I don’t see it. Prove me wrong.

As far as I can see this is just another thread to get the dog haters frothing
🙄

It seems you succeeded OP.

Idioticparents · 15/04/2024 21:14

JoBrandsCleaner · 15/04/2024 21:11

They sound rough as hell, I feel sorry for the kid. You could have helped by telling them to train their dog or not keep it with kids when it sounds like a nightmare 🙃

Sadly, the sort of people who own out of control dogs are usually the sort who get aggressive if you bite back!

Better to just walk away (then spend the next few days cursing their stupidity).

OP posts:
JoBrandsCleaner · 15/04/2024 21:11

They sound rough as hell, I feel sorry for the kid. You could have helped by telling them to train their dog or not keep it with kids when it sounds like a nightmare 🙃

K0OLA1D · 15/04/2024 20:57

PurplePumkin · 15/04/2024 19:30

I’ve read the full thread thank you. What makes you think there was an attack from a dog??

Collies are the most intelligent dogs and easily trained (because of their intelligence). I have a few. What about you? There is absolutely no need for a collie to be leashed - unless they are owned by a useless idiot!

If the cap fits wear it.

You haven't read the full thread then. Or you'd know I was taking the piss

Beautiful3 · 15/04/2024 20:37

If that happened to my dog, I wouldn't appreciate you coming over with your dog to help. It would only escalate the situation. I'd see it as my responsibility to get my dog off my child, and assess any injuries. Why would he think you're responsible for helping him with his dog?! Why should you and your dog risk being bitten? He just wanted to blame you for his badly managed dog, and got upset because you walker away.

Swipe left for the next trending thread