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….to think that anxiety is an evil fucker and if we all share hatred for it….

88 replies

BabbleBee · 13/04/2024 18:04

….then I’ll feel better?

I’m having a flare of anxiety. Not coping with illness and minor change. I’ve started taking propranolol, all the usual coping mechanisms. That horrible knot in my stomach and nausea is refusing to budge.

I fucking hate anxiety. Anyone else want to slag it off and help me feel better about how fucking inconvenient and horrible it is?

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ssd · 14/04/2024 21:29

Lots of great posts here

sunlovingcriminal · 14/04/2024 17:18

Ahhh... found my people. The brave ones acknowledging anxiety and showing it the middle finger!

I've been struggling this past year with anxiety, with a lot of work and personal stress. Had a mini break down week before last, and hauled myself to the GP for a sob and advice. She's put me on a course of setraline. I should have done this months ago, as I could barely go half an hour without crying, heart racing, clammy hands, and catastrophizing. So, I had pre-booked annual leave last week, and starting to feel marginally better on the sertraline (first few days were really hard), but really struggling with the thought of working tomorrow.

Can't decide whether to just grin and bear it, or whether to self certify for a few days.

Pixiesgirl · 14/04/2024 16:46

Apparently I can't have propranolol because I asthma.

Pixiesgirl · 14/04/2024 16:45

It's bloody awful, the catastrphising is a killer. I have found that venlafaxine has made it more manageable, here's hoping it continues to improve.

Mabelface · 14/04/2024 16:42

It was only when I got my autism and ADHD diagnoses that I realised that no, not everyone feels like this all the time. I was doing really, really well until my mum died just over a year ago.

I only leave the house to go to work or the local shops, with the occasional visit to family. I just want to be a hermit!

Currently on 40mg of citalopram, using propanol as and when needed, and also having therapy. I think I may need a tweak in medication somewhere.

HÆLTHEPAIN · 14/04/2024 16:26

Eyesopenwideawake · 14/04/2024 11:11

@HÆLTHEPAIN OK, so, not unsurprisingly, your subconscious has been on high health alert since you had the life frightened out of you (that phrase is very telling) - it was traumatic for you. Instead of subsiding it's (forgive me!) now like a meerkat - constantly scanning the horizon for potential signs of danger. It's not doing this to distress you but in the mistaken belief that it's protecting you. It IS possible to change this, by letting this part of your mind know that this strategy is actively acting against your happiness. Have a look at my AMA on remedial hypnosis.

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Thank you. I had considered hypnotherapy for my BP phobia but wasn’t sure of costs and efficacy. I’ll have a look at your AMA.

I use the Dare method, both book and app, and it has helped considerably with everyday situations…I was at the point of not wanting to leave the house a couple of years ago. I had a panic attack in my daughter’s school hall when we went for a meeting about exams! No one knew though. I also use it in medical settings.. even just going to the docs for something routine can set me off, as does going to the dentist. And the annoying thing is these things never used to bother me at all. I was never scared of the dentist or the doctor!

I’ve paid for 3 different therapists over the last few years and I’m still no better in terms of the anxiety. I’m currently having sessions with one now who is lovely but I’m not sure is doing much good.

BabbleBee · 14/04/2024 12:57

HOTD7383 · 14/04/2024 12:09

Having severe anxiety has truly shown me just how powerful our brains are. I spent a year not being able to leave the house it was that bad. I’ve had therapy every week since and I got myself to a really good stage where I actually enjoyed leaving the house, in fact I spent more time outside than I did at home. Then 2 months ago I started feeling unwell and on top of that I have an autistic DD that really struggles with the school holidays and her behaviour has been awful the last 2 weeks. It triggers and overwhelms me so much that I feel physically frozen with anxiety and fear again and can’t relax even when I’m at home doing nothing. I know I’ll eventually be able to get back to the good place I was in but equally I know how awful the journey is of doing that over and over again. Anxiety sucks and I really envy people who have never suffered from it.

Have you considered you might also be autistic? The freeze is one of the symptoms that came up in my pre-assessment for ADHD.

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BabbleBee · 14/04/2024 12:56

Georgethecat1 · 14/04/2024 11:43

Not to brag however I did really well last night. Woke and a certain topic that always sets off my anxiety popped into my head (normally then awake for hours) but instead I remember thinking it’s the past it’s only ruining tomorrow and you are going to be tired. And then fell back asleep, I was so proud of myself!

As my teenager would say - SLAY!

As well as slagging the anxiety demons off we absolutely should celebrate all the wins.

Well done 👏🏼

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HOTD7383 · 14/04/2024 12:09

Having severe anxiety has truly shown me just how powerful our brains are. I spent a year not being able to leave the house it was that bad. I’ve had therapy every week since and I got myself to a really good stage where I actually enjoyed leaving the house, in fact I spent more time outside than I did at home. Then 2 months ago I started feeling unwell and on top of that I have an autistic DD that really struggles with the school holidays and her behaviour has been awful the last 2 weeks. It triggers and overwhelms me so much that I feel physically frozen with anxiety and fear again and can’t relax even when I’m at home doing nothing. I know I’ll eventually be able to get back to the good place I was in but equally I know how awful the journey is of doing that over and over again. Anxiety sucks and I really envy people who have never suffered from it.

iloveeverykindofcat · 14/04/2024 11:57

CanaryMary · 14/04/2024 11:38

Hi I once tried this but it made me eat and sleep I had zero energy except for constant eating and was sooo sedated!! Have you found this or had it settled down?

I would say the first couple of weeks I had a bit of a sedated feeling. It does make me eat and sleep more that not taking it, but I desperately needed to, I had huge deficits in both those things. After a couple of weeks the feeling of being tired in the daytime went away. The only minor adverse side affect I've had is sometimes after I take it I get a weird tense feeling in the muscles in the back of my legs. It doesn't hurt, it just feels odd, and is relieved if I flex and stretch them out.

My life situation is also better now, but overall, it is a very good and helpful drug for me.

Eyesopenwideawake · 14/04/2024 11:44

I hope the anxiety stays quieter today and talking has helped.

Acknowledge it, listen to it, reassure it and let it know you're in charge and it can relax. It does work!

Georgethecat1 · 14/04/2024 11:43

Not to brag however I did really well last night. Woke and a certain topic that always sets off my anxiety popped into my head (normally then awake for hours) but instead I remember thinking it’s the past it’s only ruining tomorrow and you are going to be tired. And then fell back asleep, I was so proud of myself!

CanaryMary · 14/04/2024 11:38

iloveeverykindofcat · 14/04/2024 07:27

I don't know if you're looking for solutions OP, but mirtazipine has changed my life. After the pandemic and and absolutely shitty situation courtesy of a former employer, who shall remain nameless, I couldn't sleep, eat, or leave the house without checking the sockets and lock seven billion times.

Its been a bit of a miracle drug for me. I feel like a new woman.

Hi I once tried this but it made me eat and sleep I had zero energy except for constant eating and was sooo sedated!! Have you found this or had it settled down?

BabbleBee · 14/04/2024 11:30

Eyesopenwideawake · 14/04/2024 11:11

@HÆLTHEPAIN OK, so, not unsurprisingly, your subconscious has been on high health alert since you had the life frightened out of you (that phrase is very telling) - it was traumatic for you. Instead of subsiding it's (forgive me!) now like a meerkat - constantly scanning the horizon for potential signs of danger. It's not doing this to distress you but in the mistaken belief that it's protecting you. It IS possible to change this, by letting this part of your mind know that this strategy is actively acting against your happiness. Have a look at my AMA on remedial hypnosis.

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Completely agree with this. Your brain has hardwired the BP into a traumatic memory but it is possible to rewire that memory.

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BabbleBee · 14/04/2024 11:28

Noshowlomo · 14/04/2024 10:27

Oh @BabbleBee i cannot imagine what you’ve gone through with your DD having cancer. That is my greatest fear, and whatever illness my son has it always comes back in my head as him having cancer and I’ll lose him. I’ve sat on his bedroom floor crying in the dark as he’s sleeping, planning his funeral and in the end he’s had tonsillitis but that’s what burying one child does to you. It’s horrendous. I’ve had hypnotherapy which worked for a good few months but the anxiety comes back.

Today I have woken up and the anxiety has mostly gone, and I’m grateful but I know it could be back later, the bitch!

I do the same thing… headaches - are they another undiagnosed tumour?! It’s relentless. I thought life after surviving cancer would be filled with joy, relief, pretty rose petals and at some times it is but others it’s not. I catch myself when I go to say flippantly that I’ve never been so scared (in response to something like a big spider) but I genuinely know what real fear is. I’m sure you know that and then more.

I hope the anxiety stays quieter today and talking has helped.

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Eyesopenwideawake · 14/04/2024 11:11

@HÆLTHEPAIN OK, so, not unsurprisingly, your subconscious has been on high health alert since you had the life frightened out of you (that phrase is very telling) - it was traumatic for you. Instead of subsiding it's (forgive me!) now like a meerkat - constantly scanning the horizon for potential signs of danger. It's not doing this to distress you but in the mistaken belief that it's protecting you. It IS possible to change this, by letting this part of your mind know that this strategy is actively acting against your happiness. Have a look at my AMA on remedial hypnosis.

HÆLTHEPAIN · 14/04/2024 10:44

Eyesopenwideawake · 14/04/2024 09:01

@HÆLTHEPAIN

Can you remember when/why this started? At the moment your BP phobia isn't life threatening so the part of your mind that fires up the fear of it is 'winning' - it doesn't want to do this thing, and by not doing it it's reinforcing the idea that it's something to be really afraid of.

Now you know, rationally, that taking your BP can't hurt you so it's either a matter of finding, and dealing with, that root cause OR telling that part of your mind "we are going to do this whether you like it or not so you'd better get used to it". I've used the second option with someone with a terrible phobia of needles who ran out of avoidance options when they were diagnosed with cancer.

It’s weird because the BP phobia sort of crept up on me. I’ve had health anxiety for years, since after my youngest was born. I lost some blood during his birth - not enough to warrant surgery or anything - but it absolutely frightened the life out of me and I think that triggered the post natal health anxiety. I’ve been on Citalopram for years because of it.

I learned to sort of cope over the years but then I had a sigmoidoscopy where I ended up having a panic attack. Because of having the panic attack my HR soared, as it does, but my fear then became fixated on that and all things heart. I also have ME and fibro so can’t exercise and that feeds into the heart thing, because I’m so unfit and deconditioned. Rationally I know taking my BP can’t hurt so I can only suppose it must be that I’m afraid of it being high and needing meds.

Noshowlomo · 14/04/2024 10:27

Oh @BabbleBee i cannot imagine what you’ve gone through with your DD having cancer. That is my greatest fear, and whatever illness my son has it always comes back in my head as him having cancer and I’ll lose him. I’ve sat on his bedroom floor crying in the dark as he’s sleeping, planning his funeral and in the end he’s had tonsillitis but that’s what burying one child does to you. It’s horrendous. I’ve had hypnotherapy which worked for a good few months but the anxiety comes back.

Today I have woken up and the anxiety has mostly gone, and I’m grateful but I know it could be back later, the bitch!

BabbleBee · 14/04/2024 10:00

Sparrow7 · 14/04/2024 09:49

Can j ask how old you are? I've always suffered (have OCD and PTSD) but my anxiety started to spiral out of control in my early forties. After several rounds of talk therapy and CBT it was no better. Started HRT and after a month I was back to my usual self. Realized I had been getting perimenopause symptoms since my late thirties. The other day i woke up in the night in full panic mode. It turns out I had forgot to put my HRT patch on so I really believe this has helped me so much.

Mid 40s. I have long covid and that has revealed the ADHD / autism symptoms as I don’t have the energy to mask. Apparently this happens in perimenopause too. The LC has played havoc with hormones and I was really struggling in the week before my period - really anxious, wanted to die but not suicidal, paranoia… I’m now on HRT and that has pretty much gone.

This flare up must be related to the fear of being admitted to hospital. I think I need to address the underlying issue here, I can’t feel like this every time I get unwell.

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Sparrow7 · 14/04/2024 09:49

Can j ask how old you are? I've always suffered (have OCD and PTSD) but my anxiety started to spiral out of control in my early forties. After several rounds of talk therapy and CBT it was no better. Started HRT and after a month I was back to my usual self. Realized I had been getting perimenopause symptoms since my late thirties. The other day i woke up in the night in full panic mode. It turns out I had forgot to put my HRT patch on so I really believe this has helped me so much.

BabbleBee · 14/04/2024 09:48

Sunandseaforme · 14/04/2024 09:33

I’m going through a better phase at the moment, but my anxiety started during lockdown. Looking back I can see now how I was obsessing over the news, deaths reported etc. I felt so scared for my children. Then my Dad got cancer and died and work got really stressful.

Anyway, my coping technique if I can’t exercise is watching YouTube videos of people going for walks in the snow, in the rain or on a beach. I love those. And I’ve tried tapping which helps a bit too.

Big sympathy to all those suffering. My DH doesn’t understand and just says “what have you got to be anxious about?” as if I can just turn it off.

So sorry for your loss. My dad is unwell at the moment, it’s heartbreaking watching parents getting older.

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BabbleBee · 14/04/2024 09:48

DD put her weighted blanket around me last night and we popped bubbles on a game on the iPad. Combination of that and propranolol helped me.

I definitely think it helps to engage the rational brain when feeling anxious, like reciting times tables or something. A nurse friend told me to do it once and it helped a lot.

I woke up feeling fine, then coughing again (current chest infection) which made me feel a bit breathless. Without missing a beat I catastrophised and panicked about having to go into hospital. There’s a lot tied up in that fear following DD’s cancer.

I’m fighting back by getting on with my day. Yes anxiety you’re there, I see you. But I’m in charge, not you. You can sit quietly and follow me around all day if you must but you are NOT telling me what to do. I don’t need this information right now, I’m safe. Thank you for the warning but we’re all good. Shush.

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DanielGault · 14/04/2024 09:42

Sunandseaforme · 14/04/2024 09:33

I’m going through a better phase at the moment, but my anxiety started during lockdown. Looking back I can see now how I was obsessing over the news, deaths reported etc. I felt so scared for my children. Then my Dad got cancer and died and work got really stressful.

Anyway, my coping technique if I can’t exercise is watching YouTube videos of people going for walks in the snow, in the rain or on a beach. I love those. And I’ve tried tapping which helps a bit too.

Big sympathy to all those suffering. My DH doesn’t understand and just says “what have you got to be anxious about?” as if I can just turn it off.

That's just it isn't it? You can't just switch it off.nit really sucks.

Sunandseaforme · 14/04/2024 09:33

I’m going through a better phase at the moment, but my anxiety started during lockdown. Looking back I can see now how I was obsessing over the news, deaths reported etc. I felt so scared for my children. Then my Dad got cancer and died and work got really stressful.

Anyway, my coping technique if I can’t exercise is watching YouTube videos of people going for walks in the snow, in the rain or on a beach. I love those. And I’ve tried tapping which helps a bit too.

Big sympathy to all those suffering. My DH doesn’t understand and just says “what have you got to be anxious about?” as if I can just turn it off.