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My sister asked me this

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lovedogsandcats · 13/04/2024 15:41

My sister 1 has been on her own for years . Seemingly happily so but did have 2 difficult long term relationships. She has 2 grown up daughters both in loving stable and happy relationships.
Just been away on holiday with sister 1 and sister 2 ( sister 2 is married ) along with my husband and sister 2s husband .
I lost one my daughters to suicide 5 years ago . She was 19 .
Over wine ( plenty of it ) sister 1 was talking about how lucky we were to have loving partners and so are her daughters. I agreed but pointed out that she still has both her beautiful girls and how lucky she was too . She then said ' but you'd rather have what you have with your DH than have your daughter. Wouldn't you?'
AIBU to be dwelling on the fact that she asked me this ?It was in front of all of us (inc DH) . I replied that I would have my daughter back in a heartbeat.
DH went to bed shortly after this and next morning suggested I should not have made my comment in the first place .
Im not sure whether to talk to her about it .
There is a hit of a backstory about our relationship- I've always felt a bit bullied by her .
What are your thoughts?

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Saymyname28 · 13/04/2024 19:03

I don't think you should made your initial comment. You are lucky to have a loving partner. Your daughter dying is unrelated to that. And she longs for love, and has suffered unhappy relationships, having children doesn't negate that.

But her comment about rather having a husband than a living daughter is silly, no sane person would give their child's life in exchange for love.

Chewbacalava · 13/04/2024 19:02

Park it - you’d all been drinking. She sounds goady and your DH took it as yes, and wad probably just a bit hurt.

So sorry about your DD, an unimaginable loss 💐

Noicant · 13/04/2024 19:01

I think you shouldn’t have brought your Dd up. Of course she’s there in your mind and I’m so sorry for your loss. But she was talking about how lucky everyone was to be in a romantic partnership (happy relationships are lucky). She’s allowed to be sad about that and to want it for herself.

What she said back was really strange though.

I would forget about it, you were all drinking and I’m sure she’s regretting what she said as well.

Doteycat · 13/04/2024 18:59

lovedogsandcats · 13/04/2024 18:20

We do have a 'walking on eggshells" relationship.
I possibly feel a bit sad that she said it cross at myself a bit too .
The holiday we were on was to visit the place we are moving to ( outside of the UK) and I expect I will see more of her and for longer spells of time in the future.
Spending time with sisters is so much trickier than being with my friends. That makes me sad 😞

I get that.
But if you think about that, you would never have said to a friend what you said to her.
And because you have a tricky relationship, she went for the jugular.
U need to reach an entente cordial if you are going to be around each other a lot more or there will be carnage.

1offnamechange · 13/04/2024 18:57

StormingNorman · 13/04/2024 18:50

Your sister was wrong to suggest any relationship could make up for the loss of your child in this way.

Your comment that she was lucky to have her DD is entirely understandable given the conversation. Even it was meant as a ‘stop feeling sorry for yourself’ dig, your sister should not have picked up the baton. Having a dig and jumping on the worst moments of your life are not comparable in sisterly tit for tat.

I think DH was a dick too. He needed to check in on you after the subject was raised. Not go to bed in a strop.

No ifs, no buts, no coconuts.

weird post.

there is literally nothing to support your assertation that the DH 'went to bed in a strop.'

And then the random schoolyard rhyme at the end, just odd and a bit inappropriate given the topic under discussion. Like ending a post with 'I know you are but what am I?' Confused

BobbyBiscuits · 13/04/2024 18:55

It was in drink, maybe you touched a nerve, she felt defensive? Maybe it's that she's cold hearted and horrible but I think that's highly unlikely.
Maybe you should chat when sober and not hungover, kind of mutually apologise, acknowledge you are both lucky and unlucky, but have different experiences and just want to be supportive. I certainly wouldn't fall out over it.

lovedogsandcats · 13/04/2024 18:55

StormingNorman · 13/04/2024 18:50

Your sister was wrong to suggest any relationship could make up for the loss of your child in this way.

Your comment that she was lucky to have her DD is entirely understandable given the conversation. Even it was meant as a ‘stop feeling sorry for yourself’ dig, your sister should not have picked up the baton. Having a dig and jumping on the worst moments of your life are not comparable in sisterly tit for tat.

I think DH was a dick too. He needed to check in on you after the subject was raised. Not go to bed in a strop.

No ifs, no buts, no coconuts.

He really didn't strop off . He just left shortly after the question . None of this was heated or angry. We carried on having a "pleasant" evening but it had just stayed with me ...and I suspect with her .

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StormingNorman · 13/04/2024 18:50

Your sister was wrong to suggest any relationship could make up for the loss of your child in this way.

Your comment that she was lucky to have her DD is entirely understandable given the conversation. Even it was meant as a ‘stop feeling sorry for yourself’ dig, your sister should not have picked up the baton. Having a dig and jumping on the worst moments of your life are not comparable in sisterly tit for tat.

I think DH was a dick too. He needed to check in on you after the subject was raised. Not go to bed in a strop.

No ifs, no buts, no coconuts.

lovedogsandcats · 13/04/2024 18:49

My comments were an attempt to help her appreciate her own situation. I think she was pointing out that she is glad her daughters are happy and settled and loved because she feels she never had that . She has been single (and I thought , content) for many years .
I think I may have played it wrong with my comment but it is the fact that she assumes that I would rather be happy in a relationship than have my daughter back . At the time I remember thinking of asking which of her daughters she would 'sacrifice' for a man . But I was hurt and never for a minute think she had thought her comment through . At the time we just sort of changed the subject and have never revisited yet . All is calm and friendly on the sister "WhatsApp " group but I think she will be reflecting on it as much as I am ........

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TodayIsNotMyDay · 13/04/2024 18:47

lovedogsandcats · 13/04/2024 18:36

What makes you think I am privileged because I have a partner ?. I didn't save up and buy him or win him in a lottery?

What does lottory or ’buying’ has to do with anything?

You found a partner. Someone to share a life with.
That is a huge privilege.

I know on MN we are supposed to hate relationships and they are weights around a neck, but in real life, you are lucky to have someone.

caringcarer · 13/04/2024 18:45

If she tells you she's lonely again. Give her a hug and remind her she is very loved. I. Your situation I wouldn't have answered her question. I'd have simply said I wish I had both but nothing can ever bring her back as Nd go to bed. In front of your DH who is very much alive it would make him feel like shit to think you'd swap him for your DD even if you would if you could. Some things are best left unspoken. Too much wine.

StopStartStop · 13/04/2024 18:44

Honestly, if you've lost a child I don't think you can be blamed for anything you say, ever.

Also, people are not interchangeable.

It's the kind of conversational mess people get into sometimes. Drink might make it more likely to happen.

WimbyAce · 13/04/2024 18:42

I guess it depends how you said it. Maybe she felt a bit attacked if you said it like - well at least you still have both your daughters. Where as I'm guessing you meant for her to think of the positive of her lovely daughters.

Sorry for your unimaginable loss, it must be incredibly difficult.

lovedogsandcats · 13/04/2024 18:42

Ohnobackagain · 13/04/2024 18:40

@lovedogsandcats you could say something like ‘I hope we’re good since the conversation the other day. While I don’t think you should have made the comment about not swapping daughter for what I’ve got now, I should never have said you were lucky you still have yours. Anyway, it’s been niggling me ever since and I wanted to apologise’.

I think I will do this . It will only pray on my mind if I do nothing .

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Ohnobackagain · 13/04/2024 18:40

@lovedogsandcats you could say something like ‘I hope we’re good since the conversation the other day. While I don’t think you should have made the comment about not swapping daughter for what I’ve got now, I should never have said you were lucky you still have yours. Anyway, it’s been niggling me ever since and I wanted to apologise’.

Oncetwicethreetimesalady · 13/04/2024 18:40

She was totally in the wrong, insensitive and tactless. She was moaning that you and others have a partner and asking for your sympathy, you quite naturally pointed out that you don't have your daughter (so sorry for your loss). If she wants, she can get a partner, but you can’t get a replacement daughter. The pain of losing a child must be infinitely worse than the worst relationship break up. She’s a self absorbed idiot.

lovedogsandcats · 13/04/2024 18:36

TodayIsNotMyDay · 13/04/2024 18:33

I agree with you husband.
You really shouldn't have said what you said.
She was opening up, it’s fucking hard having to be single, even more so when on holiday with privlidged people who do have partners, and then you wouldn’t even have that moment of vulnerability and had to compare.
Did you at least apologize?

What makes you think I am privileged because I have a partner ?. I didn't save up and buy him or win him in a lottery?

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1offnamechange · 13/04/2024 18:36

ScentlessAprentice · 13/04/2024 17:57

What? This is fucking deranged and in no way helpful. What the fuck is wrong with you, and why would you want to hurt the OP even more?

I agree the previous comment was utterly batshit. Who is "daddy" in this scenario ffs? And as for the 'trample a women any day to get a man' element, there is literally nothing to support this - you don't even know if OP's sister is straight, she could be upset about not having a female partner!

TodayIsNotMyDay · 13/04/2024 18:33

I agree with you husband.
You really shouldn't have said what you said.
She was opening up, it’s fucking hard having to be single, even more so when on holiday with privlidged people who do have partners, and then you wouldn’t even have that moment of vulnerability and had to compare.
Did you at least apologize?

easylikeasundaymorn · 13/04/2024 18:32

Onetiredbeing · 13/04/2024 16:56

But surely not bringing up someone's child who has passed on is not the way to lash out?

but it was OP who brought her daughter into the conversation, not the sister.

Rycbar · 13/04/2024 18:29

Shinyandnew1 · 13/04/2024 15:50

DH went to bed shortly after this and next morning suggested I should not have made my comment in the first place

Your husband told you that you shouldn’t have said you’d have your daughter back in a heartbeat? I don’t understand how he thought you were being unreasonable?

Your sister was being tactless (pissed?!) but I don’t get your husband’s comment at all

No, he said OP shouldn’t have said her sister was lucky too because she has her children.

easylikeasundaymorn · 13/04/2024 18:25

MolkosTeenageAngst · 13/04/2024 16:08

It was insensitive to bring it up during a conversation in which she was upset about being single and trying to express her feelings, you were basically invalidating her feelings and telling her she has no right to be upset about being single because she hasn’t lost a child. It’s not that black and white, of course somebody can be upset about being single if a relationship is what they desire regardless of what other good things they have in their life. It does sound like you were playing ‘poor me’ top trumps.

That’s not to say that her comment wasn’t insensitive, but you were insensitive and invalidating her feelings and situation first and I think the fact she probably felt defensive and invalidated coupled with the fact there was alcohol involved is an explanation, even if not an excuse, for her comment.

Edited

I agree with this and @TarantinoIsAMisogynist
What she said was very odd, and I don't think many people, whether they'd actually experienced a loss like yours, or even hypothetically, would ever agree with her. It's completely understandable you are upset.

But I think it is likely that from her POV she felt you were bringing something completely irrelevant into the conversation, as @MolkosTeenageAngst said, like a 'top trumps' of sadness. As you've explained, your intention was completely the opposite. But think of it if it was the other way around - in a scenario where you were getting upset talking about how much you missed your daughter, and, in a misguided attempt at cheering you up she said 'but at least you have your dh, I'm alone all the time,' or similar. You very well might have been like 'WTF, that's not relevant, why are you turning the conversation to yourself and your issues when I'm clearly upset?'

It's obvious being single is a huge worry and distress for her - maybe she's worrying about how she'll cope financially as she gets older, or she's lonely and depressed and going on holiday with her two sisters and their husbands has really brought it home. It's not the sort of thing you can always talk about. She thought she was in a place where she could confide her worries to people she trusts, who would sympathise with her, but instead (to her mind), got a 'cheer up, what have YOU got to complain about?' response. A bit like on here when posters say 'First world problem/I wish that was all I had to worry about/I imagine people in Gaza would love to have your problems.' You're not wrong - the vast majority of people would prefer to be single with their children alive - but that was not the time to say it.

lovedogsandcats · 13/04/2024 18:20

Doteycat · 13/04/2024 18:08

Tbh it sounds like you wanted to get a dig in.
And because you two have issues, she doubled down.

You owe her an apology. And she owes you one.

We do have a 'walking on eggshells" relationship.
I possibly feel a bit sad that she said it cross at myself a bit too .
The holiday we were on was to visit the place we are moving to ( outside of the UK) and I expect I will see more of her and for longer spells of time in the future.
Spending time with sisters is so much trickier than being with my friends. That makes me sad 😞

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Doteycat · 13/04/2024 18:08

Tbh it sounds like you wanted to get a dig in.
And because you two have issues, she doubled down.

You owe her an apology. And she owes you one.

BirthdayRainbow · 13/04/2024 18:03

KrisAkabusi · 13/04/2024 15:52

Because he meant she shouldn't have made her first comment:
"I agreed but pointed out that she still has both her beautiful girls and how lucky she was too "

Your sister was obviously crass, but I agree with your husband, you brought your daughter into the conversation in the fireplace.

But why shouldn't she?