Prostitute checked into our hotel!

What dignity does the terminology confer that stamping out human trafficking wouldn’t ?. Do you think an underage girl forced to sell herself because she’s indebted in this way cares what you call her ? Do you think ‘they’ll always do it’ is a reason to just carry on regardless ?

I agree with you. So many women seem to think that all escorts and all porn stars are raped and trafficked women. I just don't believe it. It also infantalises women - saying they're incapable of consenting to any type of sexual activity where they're being paid.
I remember a friend at uni who suggested to a bloke that he paid her for sex once a week. She absolutely was not being raoed. It was all her idea and she said it was a mutually beneficial arrangement. She didn't have a history of sexual abuse or low self esteem (quite the opposite). Some women are simply capable of deciding they want to make money through sex.

After flight. Often fly in transatlantic and book in to get some sleep before onward travel. Just because you don't you shouldn't assume others don't. It's quite common amongst those that travel often.

I fail to see how escorts are being raped if they have a profile on adultwork. This means they are consenting to sex from clients.

Only a small minority of profiles on adultwork are coerced/trafficked/pimped out/ whichever words you wish to choose. Independent escorts in general are not coerced into the job. Adultwork has a legal duty to close down profiles where it is clear they are being trafficked but it is run by AI bots and some profiles get overlooked in the scheme of things.

To those saying that prostitution is rape: on Adultwork there are 16296 escorts in the UK. That's just one website. If each has had 10 clients that's 162960 rapists. Where are you going to imprison these men? The UK prison population is currently 95,526 and prisons are overcrowded as it is.

I also know personally of 'swerfs' being attacked, threatened, having offers of work withdrawn, in the same way as has happened to so-called 'terfs'. There is a legitimate debate to be had, and not all women involved in prostitition agree. But people should be aware of the wider agendas & remember the power dynamics.

I have no respect for or patience with the fact that my earlier post was deleted, MN HQ.

Sometimes nasty, antagonistic posts call for nasty and antagonistic responses. Maybe delete the original one which was clearly designed to cause upset and hurt to sex workers.

Why was my post deleted please?

So what?

I just found out on another thread how to edit after being on MN for years.
So I know what you mean.

On the top right hand side of your post there are 3 small dots, click on these to edit. Another MN noted not all devices have this feature.

Yes, I realise that now - I was referring to the second paragraph in that post and I apologise if it was unclear.

The reason is that I have no idea how to edit or delete parts of quotes, despite being here for donkey's years

Kendodd said prostitution should be illegal as well as soliciting
You said
Which of those things is currently legal ? neither of them are, you can’t make something more illegal etc etc

It's laughable that this thread is still going. The counting £100 out in £10 notes just goes to show OP is a busy body!

Well thats bullshit as the client pays for the room and if they were hiring it for an hour they'd pay less and go to a travelodge and also check in together.

Yes, I know it is - I didn't say it wasn't. Selling sex is also legal in NI; it's buying it that isn't, which is one of the positions touted by those who profess to care about sex workers despite it making their work more difficult and dangerous. It also increases the amount they have to work, because fewer punters means fewer options to avoid the ones they don't like the sound of.

Procuring a prositute (as well as inciting prostitution) and running a prostitution ring were things that a PP said she thought should be illegal. I was pointing out they were already

theres always a mix at hotels of various people, espionage agents, various businesses etc

Prostitution is legal in the uk, ( not NI ) ie sex for money
It is illegal however to procure clients off the street, that’s soliciting

Which of those things do you think is currently legal? Neither of them are - you can't make something more illegal just by inventing some shiny new laws to throw at it; it either is or it isn't.

Why not enforce existing laws on kidnap, trafficking, rape, sexual assault, pimping, coercion and exploitation and leave everybody else alone?

Oh ffs. How did you know? Did you ask her? Did you ask the receptionist? Did you ask the guy behind her? And if so - so what? Did she ask to use your room?

You do realise that in a hotel pretty much type of person and every type of activity has occurred right? That bed you’re sleeping in at the premier inn has had couples doing bum stuff in it, solo men having solo fun, probably an orgy, maybe even a death or two! You have to get over it or you’d never go anywhere or do anything. You share toilet seats with these people too

It’s work but I agree it should not be legitimised, it should be illegal for people to pay for sex.

You speak for all prostituted women do you?

I'm very suspicious of anyone trying to legitimise prostitution as "work".

And sex workers disagree with you. 🤷‍♀️

I disagree that "sex work is work".

I agree that it is a heavily naunced subject. But I disagree that calling a woman a prostitute is the alternative.

"The term “sex worker” recognizes that sex work is work. Prostitution, on the other hand, has connotations of criminality and immorality. Many people who sell sexual services prefer the term “sex worker” and find “prostitute” demeaning and stigmatizing, which contributes to their exclusion from health, legal, and social services."

Understanding Sex Work in an Open Society - Open Society Foundations

StellaInfoSheetLanguageMatters.pdf (nswp.org)

In the context of your objections to this, then it is not prostitution either. Trafficking and forced and non-consensual sex work is just plain abuse. A woman in those circumstances is a victim, not a prostitute. Using the word prostitute doesn't make it any any better in that context. To also argue that there are no women who engage in consexual sex for money in the age of the internet is totally incorrect.

There is a historical element to the word "prostitute". It has always been a word that was used to perjoratively attack and degrade a woman by women and men. We may as well call them harlots and strumpets. As I said if you feel that men will care about what you call them and think your stance will make men see the error of their ways, then do so. But there has been preference in the women in the sex trade to drop the word prostitute. It also goes to the issue of legalizing prostitution, which undeniably affords sex workers more protection. You still keep wanting to argue on this point, even though I don't think we are going to see it each other's way.