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Parents moaning their pensions are not enough!!

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Bluesky91 · 12/04/2024 22:04

My parents own a large 3 bed semi. They extended it to convert to a huge 5bed house. After I moved out, my brother stayed back. He is not a high earner (teacher). He got married a few years later. His wife works for minimum wage. On their salaries, they will struggle to live on their own - they will have nothing left to save/spend on lifestyle. They have a 4yr old child. They all live with my parents.

Earlier this evening, I was visiting my parents. My mom was out with her exercise group. Brother, SIL and DN went out for dinner. My dad ticked off all of a sudden saying they have no money by 20th of every month and it’s very unfair on pensioners. wtf. My parents have TWO pensions. Just that they chose to pay everything for the house, bills, food, cleaner, car, childcare, DNs activities, etc. DB/SIL spend their income on lifestyle and investments. it’s not NHS/ Govt’s problem. My dad got so mad a me for saying this, he shouted at me saying “do you want us to kick your brother out? How will he live?”

Within means? Like everyone else?

AIBU ?

OP posts:
godmum56 · 13/04/2024 10:55

I haven't voted but think you should stay out of the middle of this one and either ignore your father's explosions or change the subject.

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 13/04/2024 10:52

buswankerz · 12/04/2024 22:37

I would stay out of it op and if they say again they've no money just mention last time you gave them solutions they didn't like it and leave it at that.

This. Grey Rock. They can't moan at you and yet refuse to change a situation that you are not responsible for.

LogicVoid · 13/04/2024 10:49

Cut out playing the 'middle man' role - tell both your brother and sil what your father has said to you. Decline to make it your problem.

Umbongowasyuk · 13/04/2024 10:49

Are you worried they will leave the house to your brother?

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 13/04/2024 10:43

Bluesky91 · 13/04/2024 09:09

I am resentful, they never offered me any help !! They let me live in small flats, struggle with a full time stressful corporate job (so we could pay mortgage), take on a big mortgage, get a car on borrowed money, basically let me fly the nest, yet kept my DB, shielding him from normal struggles in life.

Why won’t I be resentful? Would you be delighted in my situation?

How you feel is completely normal and understandable in this situation. It sounds like your parents have a golden child, your brother and a scapegoat, you. How your parents treat you is not ok, its not a normal loving relationship between you and them. Its hard and harmful to go through. There's a long running thread in relationships called "but we took you to stately homes", which is for people who's family have scapegoated them. You might find it helpful.

justasking111 · 13/04/2024 10:43

Iwasafool · 13/04/2024 10:30

I don't think it is fair to call someone a miser when he is providing a free home and food for 2 adults and a child. That seems pretty generous to me.

It's the pleading poverty that's eye rolling and upsetting if you let it be . The generosity only applies to golden balls as well.

affairsofthebart · 13/04/2024 10:40

Bluesky91 · 13/04/2024 10:11

The same culture also involves marrying off their daughter with a hefty dowry into a family of better financial standing. All this never happened. It was never considered. So they are very western when it comes to me, but totally opposite with DB.

My parents moved here on their own, built everything from zero. They both worked, hard and saved. I was always encouraged to be independent. When I met DH at Uni, they had no issues. Dad paid for the wedding so they could host a huge show off party. DH and I said we could use the money for a deposit but the idea was shot down. So the wedding was not about me, it was about their social standing.

I guess I’m angry and deeply resentful. It’s all exploding now because dad moaned about cost of living crisis.

I am aware that the house + significant private pensions will go to my brother. What I’m perhaps worried is that we will one day be expected to attend a “family meeting” with my brother to discuss sharing care responsibilities. Still worse, I totally expect my brother to tell me : “I looked after them for 30 yrs, it’s now your turn”

I was reading your posts and suspected that what you have now written was the case. Are you Indian family?
It reminds me of my own family, where the one son has been hugely favoured by the Asian parent and the other parent has just gone along with it, although ours is definitely less extreme.
Your parents and brother have been incredibly unfair to you and it is completely normal and understandable that you feel resentful. As someone else said, your brother is the golden child and you are the scapegoat in this situation. Have a look at children of narcissistic parents and perhaps consider some counselling. It could be really useful for you as it would help to establish boundaries for 10/20 years hence when your parents need care and assistance. Please, please don't get involved with the care when you have been scapegoated and sidelined and your brother given the world. Referring back to my own situation, I have already decided that my brother will need to take very much the lead role when my parents need assistance. This is only fair and appropriate given the relationship breakdowns caused by the favouritism and lack of interest in other children and grandchildren.

NOTANUM · 13/04/2024 10:39

Re care, my experience of this is that the council know how this works and that the daughter-in-law won’t provide intimate care for a non blood related family member. Then they send in carers to do it so the old person can stay in the family unit which is cheaper than the nursing care route.
It’s a sweet deal for these sons/daughter-in-laws.

Bluesky91 · 13/04/2024 10:37

MrsSkylerWhite · 13/04/2024 10:29

Do you brother and SIL have no self-respect?

They all identify as one household. If anything, DB and SIL are proud they are not ‘abandoning parents’.

OP posts:
SchadenfreudeIstMeinMittelname · 13/04/2024 10:36

Bluesky91 · 13/04/2024 10:11

The same culture also involves marrying off their daughter with a hefty dowry into a family of better financial standing. All this never happened. It was never considered. So they are very western when it comes to me, but totally opposite with DB.

My parents moved here on their own, built everything from zero. They both worked, hard and saved. I was always encouraged to be independent. When I met DH at Uni, they had no issues. Dad paid for the wedding so they could host a huge show off party. DH and I said we could use the money for a deposit but the idea was shot down. So the wedding was not about me, it was about their social standing.

I guess I’m angry and deeply resentful. It’s all exploding now because dad moaned about cost of living crisis.

I am aware that the house + significant private pensions will go to my brother. What I’m perhaps worried is that we will one day be expected to attend a “family meeting” with my brother to discuss sharing care responsibilities. Still worse, I totally expect my brother to tell me : “I looked after them for 30 yrs, it’s now your turn”

Bear in mind that you don't have to attend any such meeting, and you can tell your brother 'no, that's not happening'. Start practising saying no if you aren't used to it.

NOTANUM · 13/04/2024 10:36

@Bluesky91 yes it’s very hard indeed and you’re right to worry that the care responsibilities will fall to you given their “pick and mix” approach to tradition. Your experience is not at all unusual sadly.

I would therefore change my response to them all to be a lighthearted “it’s pre-payment for the care you’ll give when the parents are old” joke to your DB/SIL or “At least you’ll have the best of care from DB/SIL in return for your support now” to your parents. Make it clear now that this will have nothing to do with you but wake them up a bit. Your parents are delusional if they think this guarantees a nice old age.

Nanny0gg · 13/04/2024 10:33

serin · 13/04/2024 10:00

Unless the parents need nursing care, in which case their assets (including the house) will go towards funding that. An inheritance is not guaranteed.

No but the OP had said that there is no way they would go into care. So taking that at face value, that's why I posted.

They will clearly sacrifice themselves into poverty

Iwasafool · 13/04/2024 10:30

justasking111 · 13/04/2024 10:26

Ah they have significant private pensions, probably loads in the bank as well as the house. Your dad is playing the old age misers trick. It's so common when people age. My husband pulls that moan with regular monotony, both I and our children rib him that he'd better sell his boat in the marina then. That shuts him up.

You're parents are not skint so stop worrying. My SIL is Indian she was told that properties back home would be hers when her father died. Well he did suddenly very young. Her brother and uncles ensured that she got nothing. She tried as a solicitor herself to get hold of the will, no luck. The embassy colluded with the men in her family and her mother. She gave up in the end

@Bluesky91 my advice go live your best life you're not going to see a penny.

I don't think it is fair to call someone a miser when he is providing a free home and food for 2 adults and a child. That seems pretty generous to me.

MrsSkylerWhite · 13/04/2024 10:29

Do you brother and SIL have no self-respect?

justasking111 · 13/04/2024 10:26

Bluesky91 · 13/04/2024 10:11

The same culture also involves marrying off their daughter with a hefty dowry into a family of better financial standing. All this never happened. It was never considered. So they are very western when it comes to me, but totally opposite with DB.

My parents moved here on their own, built everything from zero. They both worked, hard and saved. I was always encouraged to be independent. When I met DH at Uni, they had no issues. Dad paid for the wedding so they could host a huge show off party. DH and I said we could use the money for a deposit but the idea was shot down. So the wedding was not about me, it was about their social standing.

I guess I’m angry and deeply resentful. It’s all exploding now because dad moaned about cost of living crisis.

I am aware that the house + significant private pensions will go to my brother. What I’m perhaps worried is that we will one day be expected to attend a “family meeting” with my brother to discuss sharing care responsibilities. Still worse, I totally expect my brother to tell me : “I looked after them for 30 yrs, it’s now your turn”

Ah they have significant private pensions, probably loads in the bank as well as the house. Your dad is playing the old age misers trick. It's so common when people age. My husband pulls that moan with regular monotony, both I and our children rib him that he'd better sell his boat in the marina then. That shuts him up.

You're parents are not skint so stop worrying. My SIL is Indian she was told that properties back home would be hers when her father died. Well he did suddenly very young. Her brother and uncles ensured that she got nothing. She tried as a solicitor herself to get hold of the will, no luck. The embassy colluded with the men in her family and her mother. She gave up in the end

@Bluesky91 my advice go live your best life you're not going to see a penny.

CheltenhamLady · 13/04/2024 10:22

You will never change this situation. You are aware of that. It is a cultural norm and your parents are traditionalists.

You have a couple of choices:

Speak to your brother privately and tell him that your Father is worried about money. Guage his reaction.
Mention that you expect that he too will do the culturally accepted thing and take care of them in their dotage. Guage his reaction.

Learn to accept it and rationalise it by the caring aspect. Under no circumstances become their carer. I would move away first before I would let that happen.

KanyeJohnWestTuna · 13/04/2024 10:21

I would hazard a guess that even your DB’s and SIL’s income combined is more than your parents combined pensions.

DB and SIL need to pay their fair share of the household expenses

whowhatwerewhy · 13/04/2024 10:14

You parents are facilitating the situation. I would message DB and DSI saying your parent's finances aren't sufficient to run the household and DF is worrying so they need to start to pay their fair share.

MsRosley · 13/04/2024 10:14

KanyeJohnWestTuna · 13/04/2024 09:12

To quote Dave Ramsey (an American money expert similar to Martin Lewis here) “Personal finance is 80% behaviour and 20% knowledge”.

Your parents have been subsidising your golden child brother all his adult life. They house him and do his adult chores (shopping, cooking, cleaning and no doubt laundry as well). Your Dad probably knows deep down he should ask your brother and SIL to contribute more to household finances and housework, but can’t bring himself to ask his “golden son” to pay his share but feels he can guilt trip you into subsidising all of them.

You are the scapegoat in all this. If you give your parents some cash to tide them over to the end of this month, but not next month, you’ll be the “bad” person for “stopping” paying. If you tell your brother that his family he needs to step up and contribute more to household finances and chores then you will be the one upsetting their “golden child”. You’ve already “upset” your Dad by pointing out the obvious that pensions are not to pay for working-age adult children to sponge off their parents, that you “want” them to kick your brother out (no - your parents need to do a budget and ask your brother and his wife for a fair contribution to “rent” and household costs)

This. I completely understand your frustration, OP, and your resentment about the very unfair way you're being treated. In your shoes, I would explain how you feel to your parents and your brother, perhaps in a letter if you suspect things would get too heated. I would also explain to your father that it's not okay that he offloads onto you, then gets angry when you point out the obvious.

If you don't get any acknowledgement of your feelings about this, then I would reduce contact with all of them, for your own sake. You can't force people to change, but equally you're not obliged to stick around in the whole damn mess.

NannyDawn · 13/04/2024 10:12

Parents could say now is time to downsize. Give your brother notice to move.
Or give a five year plan.

If they feel an obligation perhaps help out with a deposit for house for your brother, from sale proceeds.

Also if he is not spending anything, should have sizeable savings-you would hope.

Nice nest egg for you too.
If you give to one, then you must give to the other.

As a pensioner hope to spend our money, as we have earned it. Helped our kids out.

Mummadeze · 13/04/2024 10:12

I just don’t understand why you don’t speak to your brother in a nice way and tell him your dad is worrying about money so maybe he should insist that he contributes to the rent or bills a bit more. That seems like an obvious solution!

serin · 13/04/2024 10:12

Wait for the brothers next trick, he will offer to buy a more affordable 1 bed flat for the parents to move into and he will keep the house 🙄

Bluesky91 · 13/04/2024 10:11

NOTANUM · 13/04/2024 09:52

Would I be right in guessing there is a cultural aspect at play here and that your family is from a culture where multi-generational living is quite normal? That would explain why they’ve favoured your son: it’s traditional for the son and his family to live with the parents and to care for them when they age.
Leaving affordability aside, there are pluses and minuses to this and but you must not step forward when they need help in later years. They’ve made their choice and (prepare yourself) your brother will get their house and assets when they pass on.
On the affordability side, I imagine this is frustrating: your DB’s kid is in private school and they live in a big house while having money to invest (bitcoin?) while that some of this is achieved with much more effort on your side. I would leave them to it and when your dad brings it up again, just say “you know my opinion” and leave it. There is nothing to be gained from getting involved in this family unit and its dynamics. But it’s hard..
If I’m wrong on the culture side, then please ignore the above!

The same culture also involves marrying off their daughter with a hefty dowry into a family of better financial standing. All this never happened. It was never considered. So they are very western when it comes to me, but totally opposite with DB.

My parents moved here on their own, built everything from zero. They both worked, hard and saved. I was always encouraged to be independent. When I met DH at Uni, they had no issues. Dad paid for the wedding so they could host a huge show off party. DH and I said we could use the money for a deposit but the idea was shot down. So the wedding was not about me, it was about their social standing.

I guess I’m angry and deeply resentful. It’s all exploding now because dad moaned about cost of living crisis.

I am aware that the house + significant private pensions will go to my brother. What I’m perhaps worried is that we will one day be expected to attend a “family meeting” with my brother to discuss sharing care responsibilities. Still worse, I totally expect my brother to tell me : “I looked after them for 30 yrs, it’s now your turn”

OP posts:
BrownTroutBlues · 13/04/2024 10:08

MsRosley · 13/04/2024 10:06

The explanation is simple: misogyny.

My parents were exactly the same. In fact the whole family is like this with their sons. Nit sure if it’s a cultural thing or an age thing tbh.

BrownTroutBlues · 13/04/2024 10:07

I’m assuming they intend to leave the house to your db so why would they suggest he move out.