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To bring your attention to the Carers Benefit fraud scandal?

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 12/04/2024 09:56

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/12/carers-allowance-benefit-error-30p-a-week-dwp

Don't know if anyone here might be affected by this, but in the wake if the Post Office scandal it's yet another example of lack of institutional accountability and disproportionate official responses that decimate the lives of ordinary people.

Carer convicted over benefit error worth 30p a week fights to clear his name | Benefits | The Guardian

George Henderson had to sell his home to repay nearly £20,000, years after ticking wrong box on carer’s allowance form

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/12/carers-allowance-benefit-error-30p-a-week-dwp

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JenniferBooth · 05/06/2024 14:44

therejustbarely · 05/06/2024 12:18

I'm being overpaid carer's allowance, I can't get them to bloody stop paying me. I've recently started a new job, informed them several times of my new salary, nothing has been actioned. I'm putting the money to one side in anticipation of being asked to pay it back in one lump sum at some point in the future. I've acted in good faith but I'm not expecting the same.

If i didnt know better id say they were using you as a savings account

JenniferBooth · 05/06/2024 14:43

Ciderlout · 05/06/2024 10:49

It’s absolutely unbelievable that these carers and getting thrown to the wolves. They could put their loved one in care and let the state look after them and see how much more it would cost!

Yep and then have SOME NHS workers moan and gripe about uncaring selfish families

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therejustbarely · 05/06/2024 12:18

I'm being overpaid carer's allowance, I can't get them to bloody stop paying me. I've recently started a new job, informed them several times of my new salary, nothing has been actioned. I'm putting the money to one side in anticipation of being asked to pay it back in one lump sum at some point in the future. I've acted in good faith but I'm not expecting the same.

I found it impossible to get it stopped as well. Took about 4 weeks and then I got a letter months later to tell me they're taking their stamp back as I wasn't entitled. A pal gave up trying and it took them a year to stop it.

Its surprisingly hard to get them to stop the claim.

DragonGypsyDoris · 05/06/2024 12:23

It isn't a scandal - it's an individual case which isn't comparable to the Post Office scandal.

Scandal - an action or event regarded as morally or legally wrong and causing general public outrage.

therejustbarely · 05/06/2024 12:18

I'm being overpaid carer's allowance, I can't get them to bloody stop paying me. I've recently started a new job, informed them several times of my new salary, nothing has been actioned. I'm putting the money to one side in anticipation of being asked to pay it back in one lump sum at some point in the future. I've acted in good faith but I'm not expecting the same.

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tuvamoodyson · 05/06/2024 10:51

MistressoftheDarkSide · 12/04/2024 10:30

Fine. All carers are stupid, naive or scam artists.

I stand corrected.

I'll bow out too.

Good idea (ex carer)

Ciderlout · 05/06/2024 10:49

It’s absolutely unbelievable that these carers and getting thrown to the wolves. They could put their loved one in care and let the state look after them and see how much more it would cost!

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 14/04/2024 19:56

The rules are the rules and that is a fact

When people claim benefits they have a responsibility and that is a fact.
If the system is failing so many people, then the reporting of earnings and how this is doen and checked should be revised as carers already have a lot on their plate. Having stated that, like any benefits, some do abuse the system and via work I'd seen it but did not have enough evidence to report them

On the other hand, I'd also seen people that should have had carers allwaoance and were unsure and helped them apply

Often those in genuine need get missed out on all benefits as they are often too unwell, frail, lacking abilities whilst some that do not qualify have the ability to rant and rave,

The bottom line, is CA's is getting so many into trouble, it does need revissitng

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 14/04/2024 19:51

Fidgety31 · 12/04/2024 10:29

OP you seem to not want to hear differing opinions to yours so I will bow out now .

But yes I do understand the system , being a carer myself . So don’t be too quick to judge .

Great post and thank you.

JenniferBooth · 14/04/2024 19:49

So where are all the NHS workers who jump onto the NHS threads............. i mean considering a lot of them expect family members to step up and do care no matter what is going on in the lives of those family members AND the support they got for striking where is the support for the family carers. Tumbleweed

OriginalUsername2 · 13/04/2024 12:47

@CentrifugalBumblePuppy

I’m appalled. I’m so sorry.

My DP is in a lot of back pain all the time, I can’t imagine him having to deal with all you have to deal with on top of it. I don’t even know what to say.

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Tyiue · 13/04/2024 11:33

Fidgety31 · 12/04/2024 10:21

The father says that he claimed carers allowance so that he could give it to his son as a daily allowance …. That’s not what it’s for . CA is for the carer. The son would still have received his own benefits in order for the father to be eligible for CA.

Whilst I disagree with DWP wanting the full amount of CA back , rather than just the overpaid amount ….. benefit fraud is not something that should be ignored either .

The father had the financial savvy to buy and sell his own property but claims he didn’t understand the earnings rule when claiming the carers allowance . Sounds a bit far fetched to me .

The father was forced by DWP to sell his house. It wasn't a choice for him and there was no financial savvy required as he had to do it to repay the money.

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StMarieforme · 13/04/2024 11:13

MistressoftheDarkSide · 12/04/2024 10:30

Fine. All carers are stupid, naive or scam artists.

I stand corrected.

I'll bow out too.

Behaving like this helps no one. How childish.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 13/04/2024 11:11

@CentrifugalBumblePuppy

Oh good lord that is all incredibly hard and honestly (as I lie here chain smoking) you certainly deserve a crafty roll up, and whatever else gets you through x

I think such complex situations are completely misunderstood by medics etc and of course they are overstretched, underfunded yadda yadda.

When my SMs mental health / MCI went off a cliff in mid January, she ended up in A&E after two weeks of delirium which nearly killed my Dad. They said "faint markers of infection in her urine" so popped her on antibiotics and tried to discharge her after 72 hours. Managed to block that to safeguard my Dad and pointed out her dramatic personality changes (she'd never been aggressive before, just sly and spiteful and controlling) followed absence seizures which had happened before. She has untreated brain aneurysms so we pressed for a brain scan.

After 8 weeks of being batted around dementia wards etc she was sectioned. Within three weeks section was removed. We had one meeting with a very arrogant psychiatrist this week who is putting much of it down to "marital problems".

The brain scan was done 10 weeks in and shows small blood vessel disease but she "definitely doesn't have dementia".

She's an expert at showtiming and is currently on a phased return home. She blows hot and cold with me so she's with my Dad over the weekend and I'm not allowed to ring ir visit. Dad has to wait until she's in the shower to update me. So far she's "playing nice" as she's on Risperidone. It's been frustrating, horrific, and there's a constant implication we are the problem.

It will be interesting to see what my Dad says after she goes back to the ward on Monday. I'm dubious she can keep the mask up for the whole weekend.

We "may" have community input but with the level of cock up and institutional gas-lighting so far I'm sceptical, bitter and cynical.

Ah well, it's a rocky road when we don't tick the boxes ain't it?

Big hugs to you again xxx

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CentrifugalBumblePuppy · 13/04/2024 10:41

@MistressoftheDarkSide Sending much love back.

Having a cuppa whilst she eats her breakfast at last.

This morning’s batshittery? Having a full temper tantrum because I’ve asked her to hop in the shower. She has refused every day for 3 weeks. She has taken up a game of weeing on the loo floor and clearing it up with toilet roll & her feet.

This only occurs when I am not here. I have caught her doing it. She will also wee into her waste paper basket.

She has told friends and family that she has to do this because I won’t stay at hers at night to help her to the toilet.

I do not help her to the toilet during the day when I am here. She doesn’t need the help and has been assessed by OT & ASC as being able to toilet herself. Indeed this is what she tells to the med care she does receive.

She has also told me that she does it ‘to pay me back for being a naughty child and soiling myself at 5.

Sister and I were sexually abused by a teen cousin when we were 4/5 in his bedroom whilst she chatted to her sister in law in the lounge. I can remember being sent upstairs to play ‘so the grown ups can talk’.

Mum has never accepted this could ever happen; I think I was soiling myself due to fear, shame, and trying in a small child’s way to stop anyone being interested in anything in my pants.

Anyway, she is refusing to shower, even just her feet, this morning.

Both parents were hygiene refusers, I have bought every aid to help keep her clean. Dad went a record 18 months refusing a shower (again, he had capacity). And to be honest doing a round trip of 400 miles to pop on a swimming costume & help him in the shower again was even a stretch for a chronic people pleaser like me.

Thank god DH helps me for the first 45mins a of my day with her (and her last) so I have a witness for a lot of her behaviour. And we ensure DH uses a recording feature on his phone so that, on the rare days I am ill & he does the basics, any accusations she’ll make are documented (and there have been plenty over the 30 years DH & I have been together).

As you’ll know, narcissists love to lie & triangulate to separate people and make them the victim if a lie is uncovered.

So, we’ve had a temper tantrum; she’s also taken her beloved tv remote upstairs and refuses to go up there to get it. She won’t ask for anything outright; just moans and whines until we capitulate and do it for her.

She’ll not die of the TV being off whilst she eats her breakfast as I type this.

I’m just finishing a crafty roll up (revolting habit I know) before I go and cut her hedge. In a full back brace today due to pain; not letting DH do it as he’s awaiting shoulder surgery and I can’t face a whole weekend of him shambling in his grey Dressing Gown of Doom 😂.

It’s all fucked, and I know many people have far tougher battles than I, so I’m sending love to all who deal with the utter batshittery of this bloody disorder.

Narcissist Personality Disorder isn’t your parents not buying you a Mr Frosty at Christmas (although I don’t get one either, DH bought one for me our first Christmas together, and it is and was completely useless rofl). It’s a horrible, insidious poison that drips through your first memories as a child and keeps on coming.

Keep strong everyone who deals with this. We’re not alone, I’m always here if anyone needs to shout into something other than the abyss.

But not right now as there’s a hedge to cut lol! Thank god for good opiates and a banging back brace that yes, does make me walk like Kryten, but means I can keep on trucking!

MistressoftheDarkSide · 13/04/2024 09:52

@CentrifugalBumblePuppy

Just wanted to send solidarity.

My SM sounds scarily similar and I'm three months in trying to help my 84 year old physically frail Dad deal with it all. SM appears to be a hot potato and we have to carry her. It is a shitshow.

Much love to you x

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