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To feel uncomfortable about her interest in my son

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Whatafustercluck · 12/04/2024 08:22

Ds is 13. He has this friend, also 13, who is polite enough but is a bit cocky, a bit 'streetwise'. His mum seemed lovely when we met her, and ds speaks highly of her. He's become pretty obsessed with this one friend, to the exclusion of other friends, and has spent a fair bit of time with him over Easter (sleepovers, fishing, cinema etc). He lives about a 30 minute drive away. His mum has said that ds is good for her son, and she's been very encouraging of the friendship. She goes out of her way to collect/ drop off ds at home when we said he couldn't go because it was inconvenient for whatever reason (for example, a mid week one hour round trip just so ds can have dinner there seemed a bit much, but she always comes back with "I'll bring him home" so in ds's eyes there's no reason for us to say no). The father is on the scene, but we don't know much about him, and ds doesn't speak much about him, but says he's 'alright'.

My problem is that it feels like this boy's mother is now massively overstepping the mark, but I can't work out whether I'm being unreasonable and overly jealous/ protective. She messages my son, directly, a lot. She invites him over to theirs, gets him excited by promising to take him fishing or whatever, and then I end up being the one who spoils it all in my son's eyes if I say no. She always asks me/ dh directly in the end, but only after I've spoken to ds about not making arrangements we don't know about and pointed out that things like that should be arranged parent to parent.

I get Mondays and Fridays off work, so had wanted to do something with ds and 7yo dd this Friday as the weather is good. She's been messaging him asking him if he wants to go over, go fishing, stay for dinner. Dh overheard ds in his bedroom discussing it with her. Of course, after that was put in his head, ds had no desire to spend the day with me and his little sister, and who could blame him? I know that friendships are important and I don't want to stand in the way of that. But he's still part of our family, and I want to do things together.

I looked at his phone last night. This isn't an invasion of privacy, ds knows that I spot check and it's a condition of him having a phone. There are no messages or communication between him and his friend. All the banter and arrangements are between him and his friend's mum. She's clearly one of these mums who likes to be seen as a 'friend' (by both her own son and his friends) rather than a mum. A few of the messages contain swearing, in a bantering way. There's a message on there in which ds lies to her about telling me to fuck off (he's never said that to me, so I can only assume he was trying to sound cool).

Everything about these interactions makes me feel increasingly uncomfortable. I remarked to dh yesterday that it almost feels like grooming, with us and our rules being undermined by her (she encourages him to go on his xbox with this friend straight after school, even though ours rules are homework first, then an hour of xbox). That sounds dramatic when I read it back (grooming) but it's how I feel, and dh agreed. I'm starting to think we need to take a firmer line on this.

Aibu to feel this is inappropriate, or am I being over protective and prudish? I'd never make plans with another person's child directly with them, and I said to dh that if this was a man doing this with a 13yo girl, it would be deemed grossly inappropriate.

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Chubrubdubdub · 12/04/2024 18:35

I would be blunt. If she's a paedo, scare her off.

Whilst this could be "innocent" - what she's doing is indistinguishable from what she would be doing if indeed she were grooming your son for sexual abuse. It can't be "proved" until the damage is done. That's a risk you can't take. Throw manners out of the window!

"I have seen the messages you've exchanged with my son. They are inappropriate and make me feel uncomfortable. From now on I don't want you to spend time with my son alone nor for you to message him directly. If you want our sons to meet this needs to be arranged through me".

If she breaks these rules I would speak to the relevant authorities (school / child safeguarding services / police) about your concerns and let her know you are doing so.

Todaywasbetter · 12/04/2024 18:35

Just message her and tell her that your son won’t be going on any more visits unless she contact you with the information before speaking to him.

muggart · 12/04/2024 18:24

I know a woman like this, she used to be my boss. She collects "children" everywhere she goes who are basically just younger people she forms a bond with and then builds the relationship into something it shouldn't be. I'm one of her fake "daughters" simply because she was my boss and we had a good relationship. She'd buy me presents and visit me at home and post all over FB how much she loved seeing her DD (awkward!). Other examples include the boyfriend her (real) DD had when she was a teenager who she refused to stop messaging after they split (her DD was not impressed) and her own ex's children who she didn't really know that well but just wouldn't let go of.

Anyway my point is she does it because she's needy and has severe abandonment issues, not because she's a paedophile. Hopefully your woman is just a run of the mill odd ball too and it's not more sinister than that.

Iwantamarshmallowman · 12/04/2024 18:07

Is this a friend from school? I'd be tempted to talk to the safegaurding lead if it is.

Calliopespa · 12/04/2024 17:41

CutPiece · 12/04/2024 08:26

You’re not unreasonable at all. I don’t think it’s anything to do with grooming, necessarily, but I think it’s inappropriate for friends’ parents to communicate directly with the child, encouraging things you don’t allow, setting up social occasions. I think it’s intrusive. Tell her to go through you.

It’s completely intrusive and quite disrespectful. She’s working through him to put pressure on you. 13 is too young gif him to be organising his own social calendar to his ( her!) fancy.

StMarieforme · 12/04/2024 17:34

Envisage that he was a 13yr old girl, and the person obsessing with him was his friend's father.

This is no different.

Women can be paedophiles too.

Trust your parental instinct and shut it down. It's inappropriate at best, and dangerous at worst.

Your DS won't like it, but that can't be helped.

Infinity234 · 12/04/2024 17:29

My teens are 16 and 17 and I’ve never once messaged their friends! It’s very creepy 🤢 I agree with Poppinjay.

2catsandhappy · 12/04/2024 17:14

Blimey @Whatafustercluck she sounds alarming! Trampling down your boundaries and rules. Interfering with your family time. Stamp that out sharpish. Today it's fishing, what next, camping overnight and a tin of cider? She is manipulating your son for her own reasons.

curiositykilledthiscat · 12/04/2024 17:08

bellezarara · 12/04/2024 16:52

But if OP just blocks the number won't her son just unblock it?

Yes. Also she could ask her son for OP’s email address, if she doesn’t already have it.

Conniebygaslight · 12/04/2024 17:01

Completely inappropriate and definitely grooming. May or may-not be sexual but still grooming nonetheless for something that she wants. It’s interesting that your DS has dropped his other friends too. How powerful this woman is becoming in your DS’s life. Hope you get it sorted OP. Why on earth would another parent think that it’s appropriate for a 13 year old to have banter messages! Just awful

bellezarara · 12/04/2024 16:52

But if OP just blocks the number won't her son just unblock it?

fairydust11 · 12/04/2024 16:40

Yanbu
Block the number on his phone.

I have been given a few of my children’s friends numbers by their parents when they have all gone out somewhere just in case, but it makes me feel uncomfortable to have the numbers & I have told the parent I’d rather message them for the information instead of their child.

There is no way would I be contacting the child directly unless it was an absolute emergency.

The woman sounds like a classic groomer, any normal parent would never do this. You need to keep your son away from her.

KomodoOhno · 12/04/2024 16:40

Irishmama100 · 12/04/2024 16:31

Have a 13 year old and know most of his friends since primary and good friends with some of their mothers. I would never do what this bat crazy lady is doing. How it rolls with us is

  1. boys may discuss a plan and ask each other and then come to us parents for approval.
  2. if it’s something bigger I would contact the parent directly.

Exactly the same for my dd 13. This is so out of line.

Irishmama100 · 12/04/2024 16:31

Have a 13 year old and know most of his friends since primary and good friends with some of their mothers. I would never do what this bat crazy lady is doing. How it rolls with us is

  1. boys may discuss a plan and ask each other and then come to us parents for approval.
  2. if it’s something bigger I would contact the parent directly.
AtTheCopaTheyFellInLove · 12/04/2024 16:21

Please, please listen to Poppinjay.
Good luck op.

fr4zzledmum · 12/04/2024 16:02

This is definitely grooming. If this was a DD and a friends father, everyone would be saying he's a groomer straight away.

I'd have it out with her fave to face and stop DS from going over. DD could continue friendship at school, his friend could come to yours, or kids could meet up alone or with parents.

Poppinjay · 12/04/2024 15:36

I'm a school safeguarding lead and this is textbook grooming behaviour. Send screenshots of the conversations to yoursefl. If they attend the same school, I would inform them of this situation. They can make sure that the PSHCE curriculum for your son's cohort focuses on appropriate relationships and protective behaviours in the near future.

You need to block her number on your DS's phone and tell him he can see his friend at school (or wherever they met) only. No more sleepovers or visits to her house.

Then I would message her telling her that you've ready her texts to him, they are highly inappropriate and if she contacts him again, you will inform the police.

Grooming is a process that starts off with appropriate behaviour and gradually morphs into abuse, while also isolating the victim from their sources of support. She's gone quite a long way down this road already and she needs to be stopped immediately.

PrincessHoneysuckle · 12/04/2024 15:30

Imagine if it was a dad doing this to someone's dd.Same applies here.

CharlotteBog · 12/04/2024 15:22

I don't have any of my DS's friends mobile numbers. I have lots and lots of their parents, but at 15 I rarely use them now.

I think there have been a couple of instances where I've asked my son whether any of his mates have my number in case his phone runs out of charge.

While my DS gets on with his friend's parents, I'd think it very, very odd if I overheard him chatting to one of them on the phone.

BoohooWoohoo · 12/04/2024 15:07

When I’ve had reason to text my kids friends, I add that parent (if I have details) or my child so that there are witnesses to the content.
This mum is behaving like a groomer and personally I’d be wondering if mum was keener on ten boys being friends than the boy. I wonder if this boy has friends that the mum is trying to keep him away from and is using your son as an excuse?

Not the point of the thread but maybe the boys are using an app where messages disappear Eg Snapchat or talking/messaging while playing PlayStation ?

Londonismyjam · 12/04/2024 15:00

danitheastrologer · 12/04/2024 14:32

If the sexes were reversed you would probably be calling the police! This is not appropriate, I would talk to this women and tell her to delete his number and go through you from now on and sit your son down and explain why you are doing this so that he understands the problem.

Exactly this.

Turfwars · 12/04/2024 14:51

bellezarara · 12/04/2024 12:57

That gave me the heebie jeebies. I would be taking the phone away from DS and encouraging other friendships. Meet ups with this boy should be limited to parks and your home for now.

It's a bad idea to take their phone - that only ensures that they either take away any inappropriate communication to another secret phone or covert app, or delete messages, and then you'll never know what's really going on in his life.

And secondly, why punish the OPs son when it's an adult woman who's being massively inappropriate here? He's 13, he doesn't have the sense yet to see what's going on the way an adult would so this is how you show a 13yo that they can always come to parents.

They will grow up with this technology. We as parents can't stop them by taking their phones so we need to openly communicate the dangers and pitfalls they encounter, explain why it's dodgy and ensure that the next time they may have a slight dodgy feeling that someone has been inappropriate with them, they know they can go to mum or dad without them going nuclear and confiscating their phone when they did nothing wrong.

AtTheCopaTheyFellInLove · 12/04/2024 14:40

I would go one further and change his number, after I spoke to her and if she popped up again I’d be reporting her for grooming.

You don’t need to explain yourself about looking at his phone. He’s a child. I look at my 14 year olds once in a while because he arranges to meet friends city centre out of school and I want to make sure he’s doing what he says he is. I once saw some racist language from his friend. My DC ignored it but I told my DS I’d looked at his phone and seen it. I told him that he needed to tell his mate to wind his neck in and that his friend was heading for trouble and so was my son by being a passive bystander. I’d rather be called a controlling mum, than see my DC in trouble or abused.

mfbx5sf3 · 12/04/2024 14:34

You contact the mum directly yourself saying please do not text/ call my 13 year old child. If you wish to make plans for the boys you can speak to me directly.

danitheastrologer · 12/04/2024 14:32

If the sexes were reversed you would probably be calling the police! This is not appropriate, I would talk to this women and tell her to delete his number and go through you from now on and sit your son down and explain why you are doing this so that he understands the problem.

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