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Wedding rings and DD/DSD

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TheCheekyKob · 11/04/2024 23:56

I recently had my wedding/Engagement & eternity ring valued at a jewellers for insurance purposes.

A discussion happened after and I’m not sure if I’m being unreasonable.

I made a passing comment that it was nice they were valued at more then what we realised but it didn’t really matter as I wouldn’t ever sale them and plan to pass them down to our daughter anyway eventually.

DH was confused and presumed I would pass one to his DSD and I corrected him and said no, I planned to pass all 3 to our daughter as they are my rings. We had a minor ding dong about it in which he said he didn’t think it was fair and as he paid for them he should get to decide where they go after.

I completely disagree with this as yes he may have bought them but he gave them to me! They are the rings that signify our relationship and DSD would probably flog is straight away to get a few quid.

Just for background proposes DH and DSD mum were never married or engaged.

So should I be sharing the rings?

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PapaIndigoTangoAlpha · 13/04/2024 10:10

adviceneeded1990 · 13/04/2024 09:10

I completely disagree and believe that it is 100% possible to love a child that isn’t yours like your own. But it takes all sorts.

Of course its possible. I said in my own post it's possible.

But I'd imagine it's not the norm in blended families nor do I believe its a reasonable expectation to have of someone who isn't your child's parent.

Bananasandtoast · 13/04/2024 10:09

Tandora · 13/04/2024 06:19

Lots of step children absolutely do love their step parents like they would a bio parent.
The reason the “expectation” isn’t there for the kids, is because the children had no choice about the situation. Children (especially younger ones) are relatively naive, vulnerable, insecure and prone to giving their love more freely than adults; they are still developing their sense of self, how to navigate relationships and finding their place in the world. This is why the onus is on the step parent to offer that love and care and model to them that they are an equally valued and valuable member of the family in which they had no choice but to find themselves.

I quite believe it does happen in the right circumstances and given enough time.
Again, not what my post was about.
It's the expectation that it absolutely should be this way or an adult romantic relationship shouldn't be allowed to happen that I don't agree with.
I'd view any future post divorce partner who guaranteed early on in our relationship to love my children the same as his own kids with deep suspicion to be perfectly honest.
How can anyone possibly reasonably expect or guarantee this outcome?
The relationships should just be allowed to develop and be what they are without this ridiculous pressure IMO, and as long as the kids are treated kindly and respectfully that's all you can absolutely expect or demand as a condition of the relationship continuing.

PapaIndigoTangoAlpha · 13/04/2024 10:08

Deemed shit BY not but!

Eggplant44 · 13/04/2024 10:08

Tandora · 13/04/2024 09:55

As evidenced by the "my partner treated my DC like his own and now doesn't want to see them after we split up" threads on here time and time again

um tbf plenty of men don’t bother to see their own children after splitting up with mum- there are any number of threads lamenting those situations too. Do we conclude therefore that it’s a ridiculous expectation that all men love their children, and that those who claim to, probably don’t?

Actually yes, in sadly too many cases.

PapaIndigoTangoAlpha · 13/04/2024 10:08

Tandora · 13/04/2024 09:55

As evidenced by the "my partner treated my DC like his own and now doesn't want to see them after we split up" threads on here time and time again

um tbf plenty of men don’t bother to see their own children after splitting up with mum- there are any number of threads lamenting those situations too. Do we conclude therefore that it’s a ridiculous expectation that all men love their children, and that those who claim to, probably don’t?

No, because it's natural to love your own children.

That's why men who abandon their own children are rightly deemed shit but practically 100% of posters. Whereas people are far more torn when a step father (or mother) doesn't want to see their step children again after a split with plenty, most probably, of posters agreeing it's just what happens and they would do the same.

If you want to pretend there is absolutely no difference between men abandoning their literal own children compared to the children of their ex partner with someone else then go ahead. But it's a pretty stupid comparison.

Tandora · 13/04/2024 09:55

PapaIndigoTangoAlpha · 13/04/2024 06:26

It's a ridiculous expectation and I strongly suspect a lot of people who claim to do so actually don't. As evidenced by the "my partner treated my DC like his own and now doesn't want to see them after we split up" threads on here time and time again.

I'm sure some do but I imagine they are in the huge minority and I suspect in most of those cases the other parent is absent most, if not all, of the time and they met the child very, very young.

It's not cruel, mean, exclusionary or whatever else to not love someone else's child like your own children. It's completely natural.

As evidenced by the "my partner treated my DC like his own and now doesn't want to see them after we split up" threads on here time and time again

um tbf plenty of men don’t bother to see their own children after splitting up with mum- there are any number of threads lamenting those situations too. Do we conclude therefore that it’s a ridiculous expectation that all men love their children, and that those who claim to, probably don’t?

Notmyuser · 13/04/2024 09:51

TheCheekyKob · 13/04/2024 06:26

Regardless if the unmarried people are trying to prove a point that they own rings too. This thread is about wedding rings and it’s pretty obvious why they may be important.

They are unlikely to be important to your step daughter though. That’s the point. I’m agreeing with you.

However, she should inherit something of a similar monetary value.

Tahinii · 13/04/2024 09:44

This isn’t about the rings nor their value - be it financial or otherwise. The underlying thing is that you feel differently about his daughter as to how he does. That’s absolutely fine, not all stepparents and stepchildren have a close bond as if it’s biological. I’m just wondering if it’s the way in which you communicated the “the rings are for our joint DD” discussion.

LadyPoison · 13/04/2024 09:20

TheCheekyKob · 12/04/2024 00:05

She would probably take the ring to sale. All 3 equal just under 8k according to the insurance documents so she could get a few pounds for one instead of keeping it for sentimental reasons.

Don't confuse insurance value with resale value. Go back into that same jeweller and ask what he'll give you for them. You will be shocked at the difference.

Unless your jewellery is by a famous maker, I'm afraid it just doesn't hold its value. Have a look on google to see what similar rings are selling for to get an idea of the true value.

I bought an 18ct gold diamond ring the other day for £80 which was a small premium over its scrap value. The value was in the gold.

adviceneeded1990 · 13/04/2024 09:10

PapaIndigoTangoAlpha · 13/04/2024 06:26

It's a ridiculous expectation and I strongly suspect a lot of people who claim to do so actually don't. As evidenced by the "my partner treated my DC like his own and now doesn't want to see them after we split up" threads on here time and time again.

I'm sure some do but I imagine they are in the huge minority and I suspect in most of those cases the other parent is absent most, if not all, of the time and they met the child very, very young.

It's not cruel, mean, exclusionary or whatever else to not love someone else's child like your own children. It's completely natural.

I completely disagree and believe that it is 100% possible to love a child that isn’t yours like your own. But it takes all sorts.

InterIgnis · 13/04/2024 08:52

StormingNorman · 13/04/2024 08:28

She could inherit a gift from OP - someone who came into her family as a child and is supposed to care for her. The only reason OP wouldn’t leave any gift in her will is if she didn’t want to. There’s no law against a SP leaving something to a SC.

Funnily enough I wasn’t under the impression that she was legally restricted from doing so. Caring for someone doesn’t mean you’re going to be make them a beneficiary of your will.

it would of course be fine is she wanted to leave her stepdaughter something. It’s equally fine that she doesn’t.

StormingNorman · 13/04/2024 08:41

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 13/04/2024 01:19

Isn’t that exactly what the OP said I the first place?

Nope.

StormingNorman · 13/04/2024 08:41

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 13/04/2024 01:00

Did that make sense in your head?

Made sense to me. Have a re-read…slower this time.

StormingNorman · 13/04/2024 08:28

InterIgnis · 12/04/2024 18:33

No, they’re her rings.

Not leaving her stepdaughter the rings doesn’t mean she isn’t part of the family, and I’m not sure why that always gets trotted out. She isn’t however OP’s daughter, and as such isn’t going to inherit from OP.

She could inherit a gift from OP - someone who came into her family as a child and is supposed to care for her. The only reason OP wouldn’t leave any gift in her will is if she didn’t want to. There’s no law against a SP leaving something to a SC.

StormingNorman · 13/04/2024 08:25

InterIgnis · 12/04/2024 18:18

That’s hardly analogous as both would be OP’s children. The scenario with the roles reversed would be “would you expect your DH to leave his jewellery to his stepchild?”.

OP’s stepdaughter is potentially going to inherit from her two parents, same as OP’s daughter.

But only the younger DD would be the product of the marriage. By OP’s reasoning the older DD would flog the rings for few pounds as they don’t have any sentimental value because the marriage isn’t to her father.

ObliviousCoalmine · 13/04/2024 06:37

Just tell him you've sorted it and it's all in your will and then set it up how you want it. He's statistically unlikely to be around when it comes to it anyway.

TheCheekyKob · 13/04/2024 06:26

Notmyuser · 13/04/2024 01:10

But why are wedding rings specifically important?

Im not married, I have a daughter. She’ll inherit plenty of rings ✨ she wouldn’t want her dads new partners rings as she would have plenty already when I die. And lots of other jewellery.

Wedding jewellery is only really sentimental to the person in the wedding. I don’t even know which of my mums rings is her engagement ring, and she’s had a few wedding bands (all from the same husband I hasten to add) - I’m more interested in the lovely baguette diamond one she treated herself to tbh!

Regardless if the unmarried people are trying to prove a point that they own rings too. This thread is about wedding rings and it’s pretty obvious why they may be important.

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PapaIndigoTangoAlpha · 13/04/2024 06:26

adviceneeded1990 · 12/04/2024 20:49

Plenty of people do. Those that can’t shouldn’t marry people with existing children, in my opinion. It always shows one way or another.

It's a ridiculous expectation and I strongly suspect a lot of people who claim to do so actually don't. As evidenced by the "my partner treated my DC like his own and now doesn't want to see them after we split up" threads on here time and time again.

I'm sure some do but I imagine they are in the huge minority and I suspect in most of those cases the other parent is absent most, if not all, of the time and they met the child very, very young.

It's not cruel, mean, exclusionary or whatever else to not love someone else's child like your own children. It's completely natural.

Tandora · 13/04/2024 06:26

Tandora · 13/04/2024 06:19

Lots of step children absolutely do love their step parents like they would a bio parent.
The reason the “expectation” isn’t there for the kids, is because the children had no choice about the situation. Children (especially younger ones) are relatively naive, vulnerable, insecure and prone to giving their love more freely than adults; they are still developing their sense of self, how to navigate relationships and finding their place in the world. This is why the onus is on the step parent to offer that love and care and model to them that they are an equally valued and valuable member of the family in which they had no choice but to find themselves.

Also relationships between parents/ children are always lopsided. Thats the nature of being an adult.

Tandora · 13/04/2024 06:19

Bananasandtoast · 12/04/2024 20:53

I always find it fascinating that this view is so widely held on here and yet I've never come across a poster stating that a step child should love and treat a step parent exactly the same as their own mother or father.
So we are left with this weird, lopsided expectation instead of everyone just being honest about the actual relationships at play.

Lots of step children absolutely do love their step parents like they would a bio parent.
The reason the “expectation” isn’t there for the kids, is because the children had no choice about the situation. Children (especially younger ones) are relatively naive, vulnerable, insecure and prone to giving their love more freely than adults; they are still developing their sense of self, how to navigate relationships and finding their place in the world. This is why the onus is on the step parent to offer that love and care and model to them that they are an equally valued and valuable member of the family in which they had no choice but to find themselves.

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 13/04/2024 01:19

Runningbird43 · 12/04/2024 22:07

You do know women are allowed to own and wear rings even if not married? She may have her own mums or other female relatives jewellery to pass down as well.

i don’t see why dsd would want her step mum’s wedding/engagement rings anyway. It had never occurred to me that dsd would want or care about any of my jewellery.

Isn’t that exactly what the OP said I the first place?

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 13/04/2024 01:15

InterIgnis · 12/04/2024 21:40

Presumably she’s interested in what other people think, rather than she’s looking to be instructed.

Being interested in other opinions doesn’t mean you’re not confident in your own, or that you’re required to change it. It also doesn’t mean that you can’t disagree with any opinions offered, and say so.

Amen to that.

Notmyuser · 13/04/2024 01:10

TheCheekyKob · 12/04/2024 23:30

Yes. I’m well aware of that but I’m specifically talking about wedding rings in this conversation. Maybe you missed that.

But why are wedding rings specifically important?

Im not married, I have a daughter. She’ll inherit plenty of rings ✨ she wouldn’t want her dads new partners rings as she would have plenty already when I die. And lots of other jewellery.

Wedding jewellery is only really sentimental to the person in the wedding. I don’t even know which of my mums rings is her engagement ring, and she’s had a few wedding bands (all from the same husband I hasten to add) - I’m more interested in the lovely baguette diamond one she treated herself to tbh!

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 13/04/2024 01:00

VampireWeekday · 12/04/2024 20:28

I think if all of your kids are getting a ring, then it's mean to exclude your SD. Why is your DH leaving his ring to his son? You could leave one of your rings to your son, and your DH leave his to his daughter. Unless you're expecting your son to wear DH's wedding ring? Because that wouldn't happen in my family, it would be weird.

Did that make sense in your head?

TheCheekyKob · 12/04/2024 23:30

Runningbird43 · 12/04/2024 22:07

You do know women are allowed to own and wear rings even if not married? She may have her own mums or other female relatives jewellery to pass down as well.

i don’t see why dsd would want her step mum’s wedding/engagement rings anyway. It had never occurred to me that dsd would want or care about any of my jewellery.

Yes. I’m well aware of that but I’m specifically talking about wedding rings in this conversation. Maybe you missed that.

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