To hope Betty told James to fuck off?

Agree! I really don't like anything on Lover though.

Yes exactly. I feel, knowing as she does how wild many of her fans will go with theories from her songs, that she has a responsibility to be mindful of the impact her words will have on her ex. She yields a lot of flipping power, and he's in the public eye too and getting a massive amount of hate already.

No matter what he did, or how hurt she was, he doesn't deserve any of this - the relationship was what it was. Not to mention there are two sides and he's being dignified and decent - but also undoubtedly is under an NDA!

I think unlikely. This one almost feels like Midnights Part II.

Although if it kills 'London Boy' forever it'll be worth it, imo. Now that is a crap song (sorry, Taylor).

What does everyone think about the theory that TTPD is going to have a sister album eg: a repeat of Folklore/Evermore?

Personally I can't see how the hell she has the time; she must sleep max 3 hours a night as it is!

I feel a bit like this. 10 minutes of 'So long, London" could be a bit too on-the-nose.

Well if it makes you feel any better, the album these songs are from will be 4 years old in a couple of months. 😱

Anyway...moving on and back to excited anticipation of TTPD 😊

Just say you don't like Taylor Swift

Or maybe, just don't say anything at all. It always baffles me when people post on threads like this to specifically say they think the person/thing being talked about - by fans - is crap.

I don't go on eg: the Love Island threads when people are having fun discussing it, to tell them it's shit, because that would be a graceless dick move.

Whenever I hear James turning up to Betty's party, I get irrationally annoyed and always think, "I really hope she tells you to fuck off" so apparently I've found my people!

@ProncessDiana I think "good songwriter" is pretty subjective. But I do think it's ridiculous to take a handful of individual lyrics and say "see, it's sounds silly". Anyone can do that with anything:

Yes we're going to a party party
Yes we're going to a party party
Yes we're going to a party party

Wonderful lyrics by the renowned songwriters Lennon and McCartney.

Just say you don't like Taylor Swift. It's a perfectly reasonable opinion. But literally any songwriter can have individual lyrics taken to use as examples of how bad they are.

I adore TS, and Betty is one of my favourites :)

She has a real way of adding a gut punchingly sad line when you least expect it...

Betty: "I'm only 17, I don't know anything..."

All too well: "so casually cruel in the name of being honest.. "

^ both of these remind me of being 17/18, and I find the sentiment behind them so accurate of being that age

@ImperialCrusade You should draw your own conclusions about who Swift's muse(s) for Cardigan and August are though 😏

I really had decided these were part of the story but you make excellent points. Can't wait to share this theory with the DC, they love a Taylor exes chat. All say they would never dare date a singer songwriter in the future 😂

Taylor Swift? Are you 14 years old, OP?

@OldHabitsDieScreaming I'll be very happy if your thinking's correct! The songs will break my heart I'm sure, and probably more so if she's been smart, honest and graceful!

I realise you think this makes you look edgy and cool but it actually just makes you look a bit silly. You might not like her music, but she is objectively an incredibly talented and prolific songwriter.

I think she's too smart to do the obvious hatchet job @SashTea. I'm sure there's plenty she would like to say but...I reckon some of those song titles are misleading.

We shall see!

Again I reckon this is Taylor gently taking the piss out of James. Yeah sure you were walking along thinking of Betty - you stropped off from her prom and then went off with the girl you knew fancied you cos you were in a mood - own it, James!

(I may be wrong)

Yes I will cross my fingers for a non-busy work day @OldHabitsDieScreaming! I know it's her feelings and truth and choice to tell her side, but I really hope it isn't a total ex-destroying bash. That'll be too much for me especially after the vitriol thrown around by the minority (but loud) cray cray Swifties.

Oh and I just noticed your username too @OldHabitsDieScreaming !

As my username suggests, I'd be very up for this!

Who would be up for a TTPD thread next Friday? I don't really have any Swifties to talk to in my actual non-MN life (dh and ds just roll their eyes 😂)

I've always loved the line from Betty

"I was walking home on broken cobbled stones
just thinking of you when she pulled up
like a figment of my worst intentions"

I absolutely love "Figment of my worst intentions".