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to think block paving would be better than tarmac for a driveway

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NeedToChangeName · 11/04/2024 14:19

We need to replace the driveway. My DP suggests tarmac may be easiest to maintain. I think block paving looks better, but wonder if you get lots of weeds. And am unsure whether it's worth going for resin, as that seems to be the gold standard

Any advice most welcome, thanks

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Ariela · 28/06/2024 16:27

Pea shingle, with a block edging for neatness/to prevent gravel loss. You can hear would be visitors/intruders long before the Ring doorbell pick them up., Simply water with weedol once a year.
Allows proper drainage without issue.

YYURYYUCICYYUR4ME · 28/06/2024 16:02

We have a very large area of block paving (I designed it to have large circle areas and curved lines, granite edging) after having tarmac (horrible stuff and it sweated and when it was very hot it did odd things and looked dull and we had a pipe leak under it, so it had to be broken into and patched, so that was another issue) and it depends how it is done. No puddles or dips after six years, but then the work that was done before the bricks are laid is what makes the difference. We clean once a year (have a disc jet wash so less aggressive on the blocks) and resand if needed, as well as having drainage gulleys and soakaways, to make it environmentally friendly. A few tiny weeds, nothing to write home about, biocide twice a year to deal with moss (we do this and you can buy the commercial stuff, non toxic and easy to apply), as we have a lot of trees, and six years on, minimal upkeep. We searched for a good contractor, got references and he was accredited by the block manufacture and arranged for us to visit others to see his work.

Moanranger · 28/06/2024 15:50

CannotFathome · 28/06/2024 11:33

A quick google brings this up;

”Impermeable Materials Over 5m² Need Permission: If your driveway is larger than five square meters and you use impermeable materials like traditional concrete, you'll need planning permission. Front Garden Paving Rules: The discussed rules apply specifically to paving front gardens.”

I am no expert though.

Hi,
that’s for paving a front garden. Replacing an existing drive is normally exempt from TCPA (planning)
I am an expert.
For avoidance of doubt, check with local planning authority. I WISH using impermeable was prohibited. It generally is in new developments.

Kaftanesque · 28/06/2024 12:17

Tbh anytime I see a big driveway bring done with imprinted concrete I feel like ringing our council to report.I haven't done but they infuriate me.Any area over a certain amount now should be permeable and that isn't. We know all top well living at the bottom of a steep road the impact of surface run off as so many front gardens have been lost for parking and the road drains simply can't cope with heavy rain.There's a newish one that water runs off like a river.And now the paths at the front of our house flood after a downpour. So please consider your neighbours. We have block paving .Already installed when we moved in.I use a patio scraper after rain every now and again to get rid of larger weeds.A bit of moss does no harm .So please use something permeable.

CannotFathome · 28/06/2024 11:33

A quick google brings this up;

”Impermeable Materials Over 5m² Need Permission: If your driveway is larger than five square meters and you use impermeable materials like traditional concrete, you'll need planning permission. Front Garden Paving Rules: The discussed rules apply specifically to paving front gardens.”

I am no expert though.

FloofPaws · 28/06/2024 09:00

I'm considering a tarmac driveway which has a border of block in a white/grey to frame it. Also having the part nearest our front door, occasionally used for parking as a gravelled off area

Sharptonguedwoman · 28/06/2024 08:56

isitbananatimealready · 11/04/2024 14:30

Yes it is preferable as it is a permeable surface which allows water to soak into the ground instead of causing runoff.

Permeable driveways help absorb rainwater and prevent flash flooding, especially when you think of how many hundreds of thousands of new homes have been built in recent years.

A few weeds in your drive is a minor inconvenience compared with a foot of water coming in your front door!😂

Absolutely this. I wish there was a ruling that all new drives and replacement ones had to be permeable. A near neighbour with a huge drive has just subjected us to days of digging, concreting, angle grinding and dust to put in an asphalt/tarmac drive creating massive run-off when it rains.

Moanranger · 28/06/2024 08:53

FYI, a driveway generally does not need planning permission, falling within the General Development Order. Exceptions are Conservation Areas and any area covered by an Article 4 direction. (Not common) On some estates, restrict covenants could apply.

CannotFathome · 28/06/2024 07:43

Also do those with a concrete/grass grid have to mow it? We have part of our driveway we go over regularly but other parts that I could imagine getting tall weeds.
I guess when we come to sell the resin would give a better curb appeal for the majority of buyer unfortunately.

turkeyboots · 28/06/2024 07:31

Does anyone have grass pavers? I've seen them abroad but never in a domestic environment. I love the idea, as my block paving has totally failed and there are weeds everywhere.

CannotFathome · 28/06/2024 07:18

I don’t live my life by whether I can get away with breaking laws. I think about if I should morally do something or not.

HelplessSoul · 28/06/2024 07:08

CannotFathome · 28/06/2024 06:51

@HelplessSoul in our ever changing world water is indeed everywhere, house flooding has massively increased.
I was also referring to your attitude towards the laws of our land.
I stand by my assessment.

What laws?

Lots of companies that do driveways seldom seek/need/bother with planning permission.

And you cannot sit there with a straight face and say you have never flouted laws because you'd be lying.

Councils can see everything with Google Streetmaps/changes to properties etc - I havent ever heard of a case where a council has sought to punish someone for having a concrete drive installed sans planning permission.

If you know of a case, would be pleased for you to share it here so we can see.

As it is, water run off from a concrete drive into the street/gutter is hardly a crime against humanity. Where does all the rainwater go? Yeh, the same gutters/sewer network! 🤦‍♂️

CannotFathome · 28/06/2024 06:51

@HelplessSoul in our ever changing world water is indeed everywhere, house flooding has massively increased.
I was also referring to your attitude towards the laws of our land.
I stand by my assessment.

HelplessSoul · 28/06/2024 05:41

CannotFathome · 27/06/2024 19:47

@HelplessSoul wow what a fantastic human you are.

Debate the point, not the person.

Water is everywhere, especially when it rains. 🙄

Christine1998 · 27/06/2024 20:38

We have imprinted concrete. Minimal maintenance. We reseal it every year, more so to keep it coloured/shiny. No weeds come through. Only downside is slightly slippy in snow. Resin looks good.

Mooda · 27/06/2024 20:06

Block paving is lovely and the bits of green you get enhance the look imo. I pull out any big weeds but try to encourage the moss - it's good for biodiversity and softens the whole feel. Who wants some huge expanse of bare concrete/paving/resin - just looks clinical and soulless.

CannotFathome · 27/06/2024 19:47

@HelplessSoul wow what a fantastic human you are.

Kitkat1523 · 27/06/2024 18:40

Tarmac is ugly

HelplessSoul · 27/06/2024 18:28

CannotFathome · 27/06/2024 16:55

From the posts here about weed killer, bleach and resealing chemicals it would not appear to be environmentally sound for a large sloping drive.

@HelplessSoul is imprinted concrete permeable, because I don’t think we would get planning permission if not and rightly so.

@Glittertwins and anyone else who has a resin drive they are happy with - would you be prepared to share rough idea of area covered and price paid. I need to prepare myself ( and DH).

No its not permeable - its concrete. Water would run off into the street/gutters.

I dont know anyone that has a concrete drive that sought planning permission beforehand.

Couldnt care less about the water run off TBH.

Bignanna · 27/06/2024 18:13

Glittertwins · 27/06/2024 18:12

@CannotFathome - ours was £15k to do a double width driveway, all up to the front door, path around the side of the house, patio area acrid the back of the house and another path up the back of the garden. It also included digging up all the previous paving / disposal.
We were very happy with the company that did ours.

Wow!

NeedToChangeName · 27/06/2024 18:12

Thanks so much to all of you who took the time to reply

Extremely helpful

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Glittertwins · 27/06/2024 18:12

@CannotFathome - ours was £15k to do a double width driveway, all up to the front door, path around the side of the house, patio area acrid the back of the house and another path up the back of the garden. It also included digging up all the previous paving / disposal.
We were very happy with the company that did ours.

NeedToChangeName · 27/06/2024 18:10

CasperGutman · 27/06/2024 09:56

From an environmental and cost standpoint, you can't get much better that gravel. It's permeable so there's no surface water runoff, and the carbon content of the paving materials is much less than with products involving polymer resins or asphalt. In fact a large part of the environmental impact of gravels and other aggregates is associated with transporting them around the country, so try to choose something quarried locally if possible - no Cotswold limestone if you live in Aberdeen! Whatever is sold most cheaply in local builders' merchants might well be a good starting point.

If you want the gravel to stay put, more angular pieces of rock will be better than rounded river gravel ('pea gravel') which is great for drainage but can't be compacted to form a secure surface covering. My neighbour's drive is rounded gravel and is forever migrating onto the road outside, whereas mine is more angular and there isn't an issue. Another way to help retain gravel is to have a raised edging, e.g., of brick, with a humped strip of stone or block paving at the gateway as in the pic posted by @ApolloandDaphne above.

Ideally choose harder materials like granite, flint or harder limestones rather than softer stuff like sandstone or the popular Cotswold buff limestone which will crush to dust under the wheels of your car over time.

Gravel also has the advantage of being easy to repair invisibly if work is needed on pipes buried underneath.

A good gravel driveway will need a decent compacted crushed stone base, I've seen 100mm quoted as suitable but this would be a bare minimum. I'd specify 150-200mm, and hope that gave reasonable certainty that a suitable depth would be achieved in practice, rather than specifying 100mm and ending up with 60-80mm in places....

There's more info here: Gravel, Cinder and Hoggin Paths and Drives | Pavingexpert

And an outline written spec (which you could use as a starting point for getting prices, even if you plan to get a proper spec drawn up by a landscape architect or similar) here: Typical Specifications | Pavingexpert

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@CasperGutman thanks so much

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NeedToChangeName · 27/06/2024 18:01

FantasticElasticBand · 13/04/2024 08:45

I’m just about to have my drive done. We’re going for crushed Cotswold type stone over a grid base - to hold the stone in place. & so your feet don’t sink into the gravel. The installer is putting white membrane down first. Apparently this is better than the black stuff.

i don’t mind picking the odd weed out.

@FantasticElasticBand we're now leaning towards this option. How is your driveway looking? Are you pleased with grid and gravel?

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Bignanna · 27/06/2024 17:31

Wendysfriend · 27/06/2024 17:24

My next door neighbour has tarmac out front, tbh it doesn't look as nice as the block brick, sort of has a doctor's surgery car park look to it. When it rains the smell is absolutely disgusting and we can't open the windows out front, it's also very badly stained and cracked after 5 years. Another thing is they have a dog and can't let it in the front garden as it gets quite hot to walk on.

The other side have those little stones, now they're a pain in the hole, the crunching of the wheels of their cars is very annoying, they have 3 cars, always in and out and crunch, crunch, crunch... They use some rake to smooth them out, takes fucking hours ! Then they're left for a while and the stones are all out in the walk way out front a serious pain in the arse walking on and DDS wheelchair, they wreck the wheels, the stones stick in everything including the soles of your shoes.

I'd go with the block brick or I seen another neighbour who recently got what looked like concrete put down and they did an inprint of slabs, it looks gorgeous.

Of course if you're detached and have no neighbours you can choose whichever.

The problem with the imprinted drives is drainage, and if a section cracks it’s hard to repair without looking obvious.

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