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To do the bare minimum to get by at work when you have a toddler and not feel guilty about that?

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Abutre · 11/04/2024 07:09

I am in a professional job, took years to train, office based. I do the nursery run every day (DP cannot due to his work schedule).

My manager said the other day that ‘I know you want to give 110 percent to work so let’s look at promotions by the end of the year.’

im sure this was a throwaway comment. But I’ve been thinking about it on and off ever since. I do what I can to get through the day but have quite literally a list of other things on my mind at all times. I cannot give my all in work when I’m also a mother to a very young child. I feel like it’s a joke to even expect this from a mother. Yes I know it’s business etc etc but what is expected of working parents (usually mothers) is not realistic. Aibu?

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Pumpkinseeds22 · 19/04/2024 11:54

Rhaenys · 17/04/2024 00:05

To me it’s doing only the things that are required in your contracted hours and absolutely no more. No taking on additional tasks or staying late.

In some jobs doing that is a huge challenge l. It's both the bare minimum and maximum you can do. In others this really would be very little.

Popeyewhereareyou · 18/04/2024 10:51

YABVU you're getting paid to work, get on with it.

stichguru · 17/04/2024 21:39

"To do the bare minim at work when you have a toddler and not feel guilty about it?" Honestly it depends on the job and what the "bare minimum" is and what affect it has on others? If by "bare minimum" you mean that others are having to improve your work, or do extra work on your tasks because you've done so little, it doesn't enable the company to meet targets or meet the needs of its clients, then you should be ashamed of using your toddler as an excuse for being lazy and either put more effort in, or leave and find a job you will actually do. If however, by bare minimum, you actually mean you don't, for example spend hours researching round a issue in your own time, or you don't voluntarily take on extra work to help your co-workers, that sounds utterly reasonable.

Hedgehog23 · 17/04/2024 17:53

I think you are overthinking this. They seem happy with the effort you are putting in. Think separately about whether or not you want a promotion at the moment and proceed accordingly.

bumphope2020 · 17/04/2024 10:34

TheaBrandt · 16/04/2024 07:59

It’s because many of these types of jobs ask FAR too much of their staff. We should all push back. Horrified by the hours I used to do. Ridiculous. These women are not talking about skiving but doing their job competently but refusing to be exploited. Good for them.

This with bells on!!

Rhaenys · 17/04/2024 00:05

Pumpkinseeds22 · 16/04/2024 09:11

I think we don't all agree on what constitutes the bare minimum anyway. Is this enough to avoid the sack, or getting everything done in your job role but not more? Can you make mistakes if they're not important ones?

Who cares what time you leave though? That has little to do with your input or output.

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To me it’s doing only the things that are required in your contracted hours and absolutely no more. No taking on additional tasks or staying late.

TruthorDie · 16/04/2024 12:54

RobinHood19 · 11/04/2024 07:29

My workplace don’t have unrealistic expectations of parents of young children. They have the same expectations of them, as of others being paid the same wage for the same work.

If one feels overwhelmed, there are options to take extended parental leave / reduce working hours. But you don’t get more of a free pass just because you have children at home. If you get paid the same as others at your level, the exact same amount of dedication and hard work is expected of you.

This. Having children is a lifestyle choice so your colleagues shouldn’t have to pick up your slack. It is unreasonable being late most if not every morning -colleagues of mine go this and it slows me down which on a busy day isn’t great. You need to start later or split the drop offs with your husband -l struggle to believe he can’t do any. It’s possible to work with young children and get promoted -l did it less than 6 months back at work after having twins

inabubble3 · 16/04/2024 12:44

LoveLifeBeHappy · 16/04/2024 11:06

You don't get paid to do "what you can". I would expect you to do your work at the required level regardless of children etc.

Edited

apologies My wording was quite flippant. You do your job. If you don’t want to press for promotion while you have a toddler - or ever- you don’t have to. It’s ok to do your job adequately .

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 16/04/2024 11:20

When your child doesn't get the best care when sick, will you be ok with it if it's a doctor who's a mother?

If the company/job is asking too much of you, then change jobs.

Why do you feel entitled to be paid for doing less than others in your role.

There's laziness and paper shufflers everywhere yet those very people expected top service when they're on the receiving end.

LoveLifeBeHappy · 16/04/2024 11:06

inabubble3 · 16/04/2024 07:51

I think you yanbu. You do what you can do. Toddlers are exhausting 😄

You don't get paid to do "what you can". I would expect you to do your work at the required level regardless of children etc.

Maggiethecat · 16/04/2024 10:22

TheaBrandt · 16/04/2024 09:05

You haven’t worked in the City then. The “bare minimum “ there would be leaving at 6pm

I’ve seen the bare minimum brigade at city law firm too, some are very good at it!

Pumpkinseeds22 · 16/04/2024 09:11

I think we don't all agree on what constitutes the bare minimum anyway. Is this enough to avoid the sack, or getting everything done in your job role but not more? Can you make mistakes if they're not important ones?

Who cares what time you leave though? That has little to do with your input or output.

TheaBrandt · 16/04/2024 09:05

You haven’t worked in the City then. The “bare minimum “ there would be leaving at 6pm

Maggiethecat · 16/04/2024 09:04

TheaBrandt · 16/04/2024 07:59

It’s because many of these types of jobs ask FAR too much of their staff. We should all push back. Horrified by the hours I used to do. Ridiculous. These women are not talking about skiving but doing their job competently but refusing to be exploited. Good for them.

Are you talking about the OP?
Doing the bare minimum suggests skiving to me.

LoveLifeBeHappy · 16/04/2024 08:29

ByUmberViewer · 11/04/2024 08:13

Yanbu I've always only done the absolute minimum I could do without getting the sack kids or no kids.

Never understood people who gave their time to their employers for free

It's fine to be mediocre.

Never understood people who gave their time to their employers for free

Because that's how you move up the ranks and get the 6 figure salaries. And, to be clear, you're getting paid, so it's not free.

But, since you don't understand the concept, you'll always just be that person in the corner. Which again, is fine.

Maggiethecat · 16/04/2024 08:02

There are piss takers with or without kids everywhere.

You can spot them a mile.

TheaBrandt · 16/04/2024 07:59

It’s because many of these types of jobs ask FAR too much of their staff. We should all push back. Horrified by the hours I used to do. Ridiculous. These women are not talking about skiving but doing their job competently but refusing to be exploited. Good for them.

inabubble3 · 16/04/2024 07:51

I think you yanbu. You do what you can do. Toddlers are exhausting 😄

NewName24 · 15/04/2024 22:37

RobinHood19 · 11/04/2024 07:29

My workplace don’t have unrealistic expectations of parents of young children. They have the same expectations of them, as of others being paid the same wage for the same work.

If one feels overwhelmed, there are options to take extended parental leave / reduce working hours. But you don’t get more of a free pass just because you have children at home. If you get paid the same as others at your level, the exact same amount of dedication and hard work is expected of you.

This, from the first page.
You are being outrageously unreasonable.
I am staggered by the vote.

Obviously, YANBU to not want to go for promotion at the moment, but YABU to assume that is the same as everyone else.
YABVVVU to 'do the bare minimum' and not pull your weight if you are being paid to do a "professional role" that took you years to train for.

Hankunamatata · 15/04/2024 22:11

Do you have to be there for 9 or is there wiggle room to have a flexible start?

Nanny0gg · 15/04/2024 22:09

BlossomMill · 13/04/2024 20:36

Omg this.

Because I suppose I've been lucky enough to work where it's been a two-way street

So where I might do more it would be noticed and I would get consideration if I needed it

Rhaenys · 15/04/2024 22:06

I’m an advocate of doing the bare minimum at work, children or no children. 🥴

LoveLifeBeHappy · 15/04/2024 11:34

Abutre · 11/04/2024 07:09

I am in a professional job, took years to train, office based. I do the nursery run every day (DP cannot due to his work schedule).

My manager said the other day that ‘I know you want to give 110 percent to work so let’s look at promotions by the end of the year.’

im sure this was a throwaway comment. But I’ve been thinking about it on and off ever since. I do what I can to get through the day but have quite literally a list of other things on my mind at all times. I cannot give my all in work when I’m also a mother to a very young child. I feel like it’s a joke to even expect this from a mother. Yes I know it’s business etc etc but what is expected of working parents (usually mothers) is not realistic. Aibu?

So, just to be clear, you feel you should do the bare minimum because you have children? And, you think it's a joke to even expect anything more from a mother?

Bringing you back to the real world, just because you have children isn't an excuse. I would expect my employees to be working at "the expected level".

If your bare minimum meets the requirements of the job, then there is nothing wrong with being an average (mediocre) employee. Not everyone aspires to go further in their career.

You could always go part-time to allow you to do "other things".

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 15/04/2024 00:16

Do you feel the same about the doctors or nurses who see you or your child, that they don't need to give 100%?

When your child goes to nursery/school, is it OK of the teachers don't give 100%?

Midwives, traffic wardens, cleaners, how about pilots not giving 100% or is it just for you?

You chose to have kids, you also chose the job. Why do you feel its ok not to give what's needed but expect to be paid the same?

You could find another job, go part-time etc but you want to have your cake and eat it too.

Elaina87 · 14/04/2024 20:24

You're right it's not realisitic but also... You wouldn't want to be overlooked for promotiok just because you're a Mum? Depends what it is you want. If you don't want a promotion then tell them, say right now you're doing the best you can but are happy to stay where you are.

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