Honour-based crime up 62%

I wonder how many men get killed for dishonouring their family?

The figures are around 4,000 woman reporting crimes.

They include forced marriage rape and death.

I wonder if the woman are more likely to report - which is a good thing - but then what? What % or crimes are solved and convicted?

What happens to these woman once they report? Do they get removed, support?

The term Honor suggests it’s the woman’s fault and deserved it - I think you’re right we need another term. Murder is murder disguised as victim blaming.

Cultural murder might be more appropriate. Interestingly and rather depressingly the mothers of the victims are often complicit in these crimes.

Distasteful ?!

Interesting discussion re the use of the term. Personally I totally agree it sounds like it makes it ok.
However because it's cultural and part of a few communities I think that's the distinction. Violence against women perpetrated under the false flag of honour maybe better.

This is what I was going to ask too.

The more information put out about 'honour crimes' the more likely it is that victims or witnesses will report.

So increasing incident rates are hopefully a sign of decreasing tolerance of this treatment.

They should more correctly be termed hypocritcal crimes as some men in these cultures do as they like and it's all swept under the carpet

Absolutely!

I don’t think it is helpful to focus on the word honour. It is called that because the perpetrators perceive it as such and the word honour is usually in quotation marks. Yes we all know it is wrong but for me it adds weight to the horrendous nature of this abhorrent crime as it is obvious what it is about and the more we talk about it and use these words the more people at risk of this will understand that it is not acceptable and may find the courage to report any concerns they have

"She made me do it" crimes?

These crimes happen over a wider demography than many wish to admit.

I knew there was a reason for using the term and to be honest I don't know what the alternative should be

I would certainly use murder rather than killing.

Are they cultural murders?

I very much doubt it has gone up, but that it is easier to report now, and more widely understood which helps with reporting.

The real problem here is the expression 'cultural tradition' as a context for abuse and murder.

The issue of 'cultural sensitivity' led to industrial levels of looking-the-other-way when so many girls were being raped in Rotherham, Rochdale, Newcastle, Oxford, Bristol, Aylesbury and so many other places.

This ten times over.

Yes and I would say the violence is rooted in the belief that women's bodies and minds should not be theirs to own and act with, but should be possessed and controlled by males.

Thinking about it, that is probably the basis of most misogynistic violence.

I believe (but am happy to be corrected) so-called honour killings have little to do with honour and are more a reflection of the belief in some cultures, even in this day and age, that women are merely chattels whose lives have no value.

The term is a classification the perpetrators believe something has happened that dishonours the family and the only way that it can be reinstated is by killing the person...normally the female...who brought shame to the family.
The purpose of classification is to help identify individuals who may become at risk and to help them.
Similar to faith based abuse, forced marrage and fgm by understanding the reasons and cultures that are more a risk you can become alert to the indicators and step in.
Can anybody suggest an alternative name that separates this type of abuse to aid identification of risk?

I came on to make the exact point that many already have. 'Honour' based my fat arse. There is no honour in abusing and killing women.

I thought I read that media are being encouraged to use a different term? Maybe that notion was on the FWR boards here though, rather than more widespread.

I'm sure I heard something about an increase in this during lockdown, I can't remember if it was 2020 or 2021.

It's an awful thing - abusive men will always find a way to abuse women, but doing it in the name of "honour" is sickening.

So true, though expect the thread to be deleted since the focus on particular communities makes this is an uncomfortable topic for many

Depressingly predictable piece from the Guardian, though, seeking to blame "global political influences" for what's actually a choice - and an evil one at that

That's is an element to this that lots of community policing outreach work has taken place, plus additional training for officers and improved recording. Increased figures doesn't always mean an increase in the crime type, it can be seen as a positive that more reports are being made to police and recorded accurately, what I would like to know is the conviction rates attached to those reports

I hate that term

I understand why it's used but I hate it

The cowards that commit this despicable violence towards women have no honour

There is no honour involved in this type of crime.

It is hoped that the number has gone up because girls and women are more able to report.

Absolutely. The media needs to stop reporting this as "honour" bullshit.

Did their population grow by 62% then?