Honour-based crime up 62%

Yes, it’s rooted in the belief that a woman’s body holds the honour of her family and husband. It’s horrific

I also hate the term but it’s important to have an understanding of the background behind these cases , in order to target the communities and cultures where it happens and work on prevention strategies.

Interesting piece linked below

For those asking about numbers it says the number of killings "thought" to occur in the UK each year are 12-15, but this is more or less a guess and doesn't take account of those taken abroad to be killed, often to places where the murderers know the chance of real investigation will be small

Disappointing, though, to read about the all too predictable search for someone to blame other than the perpetrators

https://safeguardinghub.co.uk/honour-based-abuse-the-facts/#:~:text=HBA%20crimes%20are%20broad%2C%20ranging,to%2015%20murders%20a%20year.

Yes this is a good option

I completely understand your point but I wonder how else we would describe a particular type of violence against women which is based on cultural expectations of women?

I think it’s important to distinguish this type of domestic violence because it’s legal in some countries, is perpetrated by the whole family ( not just the husband) and does affect certain ethnic/ cultural groups.

62% means nothing. What are the actual numbers?

Thanks. You beat me to it.
IMO, more people are reporting it than before as there are more organsations out there to help them which is good, hence the rise in reported case, but i may be wrong

As a bit of an aside, this seems to be a new ' pet' belief of the hard/far left. I read a book recently where the caste system in India was blamed on the BJP, even though its been in existence for thousands of years. Added to that their support of Iran, when fundamentalist Islamism is basically a far Right ideology. Excusing peoples behaviour because the poor lambs can't help themselves when they see the effect of Western Imperialism in the ME is not helping the victims of these crimes, who are overwhelmingly Asian women. As if they don't really matter, their suffering is just another unfortunate side effect of Imperialism.

@LauderSyme

True but such a view depends on whether you see value in a woman or a daughter's life.

It is so outlandish that a woman choosing not to marry brings more 'dishonour' on her family than them raping and murdering her.

"I own your pussy" crimes

I think ' family control crimes'covers it quite well.

Ideas for a replacement term?
Male Ego murders
Family control crimes
Inadequate men attacks

It's nothing to do with honour but a power based misogynistic view that sees daughters, girls and women quite simply as "property" of male family members to do as they wish with.

If forbid such daughters should have opinions or wishes of their own then they are to be punished through violence if necessary. Otherwise this might undermine their "masculinity" or be viewed as western or negatively impact their image amongst other like minded males in the community.

To criticise such a mindset runs the risk of being accused as racist.

I agree. I very much doubt the incidences of ' honour crimes' have gone up by that much. More that they were committed and covered up by the family/ community, and the victim pressured into not reporting it for fear of bringing ' shame' onto the family. It's good that these cases are being prosecuted more and people are more willing to report it. The only way to stop this happening is for the ' shame' being that you have been dragged to court and prosecuted for beating your wife/ sister/daughter usually. Its always women who suffer when people make excuses for their own inaction on the basis of ' cultural sensitivities''. It's always they who are trapped in the house unable to speak English and escape or earn their own money, or married off at 16 to an illiterate 60 year old, or suffer fgm or have their votes stolen. Of course women are also often perpetrators or are complicit. They need to be prosecuted too.

While ever these cultural "laws" are upheld by the religions who condone this hideous crime, it will continue to happen.
I went to college with a girl back in the 80s, who had to run away from her family, because her choice was to either marry a man she'd never met, who was 50 years her senior, or be "taken to Pakistan". Her mother was the one who spelt it out to her in no uncertain terms and actually helped her to escape, despite the risk to herself. She lived with her mothers old friend, miles away from her home town, who thankfully wasn't known by the rest of the family.
She had to totally change her look and was forever looking behind her. She was a bag of nerves. I hope she finally found the peace she wanted. What an awful way to live.

I have since read books about Asian women in abusive marriages; locked in the house, allowed no access to family, phones etc, raped, threats of death, the parents in law complicit in physical abuse. All hidden behind closed doors. And the woman doesn't have to have committed any offence, she just has to exist! Males can get away with anything apparently, because they are men!

It breaks my heart to think that any woman lives in fear of this, the majority of them with no form of accessible help or support.
But then, what is the solution, how can we help?

Has it gone up as the number of people in the affected communities increased? There has been considerable immigration from south east Asia recently.

Is it being more reported? Are women in these communities feeling more confident in coming forward to report it.

As a society the more we know about these terrible crimes, the better chance we have in stopping them.

Anyone interested in this should watch The Push on channel 4 , it's is an incredible insight into how even with some third generation SE Asian men / families misogynistic beliefs and cultures are thriving.
In the tragic case it details (with footage of the trial as it was Scotland) how the British born and educated , highly intelligent and independent beautiful career woman Fawziyah went to live with her in-laws when she married and was considered to be their daughter.
It really is deeply nuanced but I think lessons could be learnt from the case and honest discussions within communities must be encouraged.

Calling these crimes honour based holds up the patriarchal roots from which they were born. The term should be banished, same as I believe for the term "crime of passion".

They should describe them as they are: Murder/assault against women. What's even worse is that it's usually close male relatives (dad, brother, uncle) perpetrating these crimes. Disgusting.

Now it's also come to light that a man can be deemed a risk to women, comit sexual crimes, yet have asylum etc applications are approved, we (as women) should be up in arms tbh. We should be asking why deportations aren't happening and UK prisons are deemed appropriate. That won't necessarily help those born here, but it will be taking a real stance against violence towards women and girls. We need that title so religious leaders get involved. Often the whole family and community will stay silent, which is the difference. Jeremy Corbyn spoke out against the scenes outside a hotel housing refugees, yet ignored the fact that some of the men had been sexually harassing schoolgirls and hanging around schools, all ignored/denied by the police. We can't ignore the cultural element if we want to keep everyone safe. It is a matter of re-education.

THIS

More about their work. https://southallblacksisters.org.uk/

The term honour based should not be used. Like most violence against women it is really about control and conform not honour. It is disgusting that the UK have never really tackled this issue head on. Groups like Southall Sisters have been highlighting it for years.

This is what I was going to post too. It's usually the men doing the crime but mothers and other women can be involved.