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To want a female only dorm in a bunkhouse?

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Firefightress1 · 10/04/2024 17:47

Im doing a long walk next month in the highlands of scotland. Accomodation is limited to hostels and bunkhouses in some locations. Apparently they are no longer able to ask your gender so all rooms in the bunkhouse I am staying are unisex.

I've asked to be put in with another female and been told the other bunk is booked but because of gdpr they can't tell me if I am sharing with a male or female.

Is this not completely bonkers? Am I being unreasonable to want to know who is going to be in the same room as me while im sleeping or is this just normal and the risk you take?

I'm perplexed and a bit stressed about it.

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Thebestwaytoscareatory · 11/04/2024 10:57

Firefightress1 · 10/04/2024 18:48

I agree, I emailed straight after booking to ask of I could buy the other bunk but they said it was already allocated. The risk you take but I still don't agree with not being able to disclose who you are sharing a room with!

Do you genuinely not see why the owner disclosing the other occupant of a two bed bunkhouse's sex to any random person enquiring could be an issue?

MolkosTeenageAngst · 11/04/2024 10:47

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 11/04/2024 10:17

It's a crazy policy. Expecting two strangers of the opposite sex to be happy to share a twin room? No. They should definitely be prepared to tell you the sex of the other person (based on their best guess from the booking).
I've stayed in plenty of mixed dorms but the smallest was about 8 people. Safety in numbers. This isn't reasonable or sensible. I would feel very uncomfortable.

This bunkhouse also has rooms of 4 or 6, presumably they’re just fully booked. The only option is not a mixed sex two bed bunk room, it’s just the only option left because the OP has obviously left sorting accommodation until quite last minute.

Maxtryturn · 11/04/2024 10:36

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IDontHateRainbows · 11/04/2024 10:25

Chersfrozenface · 11/04/2024 09:03

It' s not a bothy, it's a bunkhouse with rooms for 2, 4 and 6 people.

Not cheap, either - £44 per bunk without breakfast, £54 with, towels £2.50 each

Id be seeking an alternative on price alone regardless of the gender issue. Even if it meant re routing my trip.

I'd expect a bit of Lorne sausage and haggis thrown in for that!

Soigneur · 11/04/2024 10:23

Never stayed in a bunkhouse or bothy with separate 'dorms'. It's just one (freezing) room with bunks.

IDontHateRainbows · 11/04/2024 10:22

Haydenn · 11/04/2024 09:36

I don’t understand how this is a GDPR issue. GDPR protects personally identifying information- so something that can be linked back to the individual. If they say “it’s a woman” that can be linked back to 4 billion people- it is in no way identifying

No. Thats just bullshit. They probably don't want to lose the booking from the other person if OP makes a fuss.

I wouldn't want to sleep in the same room as a strange man either, but I recognise the world doesn't revolve around me and thd bunkhouse is free to run its business as it chooses and I'd seek an alternative.

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 11/04/2024 10:17

It's a crazy policy. Expecting two strangers of the opposite sex to be happy to share a twin room? No. They should definitely be prepared to tell you the sex of the other person (based on their best guess from the booking).
I've stayed in plenty of mixed dorms but the smallest was about 8 people. Safety in numbers. This isn't reasonable or sensible. I would feel very uncomfortable.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 11/04/2024 10:09

Naunet · 11/04/2024 09:52

The problem is this stupid policy puts women at risk. Maybe that doesn’t even register with you as a problem, but for many women it is, and this sort of shit restricts our lives.

I would see it as an issue if it was compulsory to stay there, so if it was a work trip or a mixed sex hospital ward/ prison etc. I don’t see it as an issue when staying in the accommodation is completely optional and when there are other options available locally. It’s unfortunate for the OP that the other local option suggest by many on here is fully booked and that she can’t afford the hotel but that is an issue with her pre-planning and budgeting for a £1k trip without considering the accommodation options. Personally I wouldn’t want to share a bunkhouse with a stranger of either sex and so this kind of accommodation would be restricting for me, I have autism and would hate to share with a stranger, but I wouldn’t expect the bunkhouse to offer single rooms and start a thread complaining there’s no option for a single room and that this is disability discrimination, I’d just accept it’s not suitable accommodation for me and go elsewhere.

Naunet · 11/04/2024 09:57

Umbrella84218 · 11/04/2024 05:05

I have stayed in lots of bothys, bunk houses predominantly with males

I have never experienced any issues

Most people will be sharing a common love of the out doors, nature, hiking, biking, climbing, photography, weather etc

So you’ve shared a double room with just one single bloke you don’t know, all on your own and nothing happened, so that will also be the case for all women who share rooms with men they don’t know, is that what you’re saying?

fashionqueen1183 · 11/04/2024 09:54

People seem to say ‘GDPR’ for all manner of things it doesn’t actually apply to.
They can have single sex rooms and they could ask on booking - same as many places ask for details when booking.
GDPR would prevent them telling you things like the persons name and address!

Rosesanddaisies1 · 11/04/2024 09:53

I've only ever stayed in hostels which are mixed sex? don't stay there if you don't like it. I can't see why it's a big deal. From a business perspective, having single sex rooms is stupid because they could be fully booked for one sex, but still have loads of beds available.

Naunet · 11/04/2024 09:52

MolkosTeenageAngst · 10/04/2024 19:00

I get that there’s no other solution, I just don’t see what your complaint is. It’s like me wanting McDonalds but being annoyed that the only fast food place in my town is KFC or wanting to buy Tesco brand bread but only having an Aldi locally. It’s a shame that the only option is unisex because you want single sex, but no business is obliged to cater for everyone or change their policies for one person’s needs. If you don’t want to stay somewhere unisex the only solution is not to stay there!

The problem is this stupid policy puts women at risk. Maybe that doesn’t even register with you as a problem, but for many women it is, and this sort of shit restricts our lives.

Ohdearydeary · 11/04/2024 09:50

parkrunpal · 11/04/2024 09:34

This is sort of a hybrid between a bunkhouse and a YHA. Concrete floors (no frills at all!) and rooms of varied sizes with these chunky wooden bed pods in them. You can hire a whole room for your party (it's no kids, but couples for example could book a room with two beds) if available, or just buy a bed and get put into a room with others. Rooms vary in size / number of beds. The OP has had to share as this is in a place with few other local options and is very popular and there's no capacity for them to have a full room.

Thanks- seems I was wrong about the set up, I haven’t come across this type before. I can see why it feels odd to the op in this case- I guess they have you over a barrel annoyingly.

Ohdearydeary · 11/04/2024 09:47

Helleofabore · 11/04/2024 09:19

I am confused. It doesn’t seem feasible that this is a trip with two people only and they have the only accommodation available. Is that what you are saying the trip is?

No- I thought the op was travelling alone and staying in a bunk house:

in my experience these are old stone sheds converted into a single room with bunk beds in (with a rudimentary bathroom and space for a camping style gas ring).

They are cheap and what’s available in the middle of nowhere on moor walking holidays.

Some are bigger than others and sleep more people, but the op has booked a particularly small one with only 2 beds.

have I got that wrong?

Haydenn · 11/04/2024 09:36

I don’t understand how this is a GDPR issue. GDPR protects personally identifying information- so something that can be linked back to the individual. If they say “it’s a woman” that can be linked back to 4 billion people- it is in no way identifying

parkrunpal · 11/04/2024 09:34

Ohdearydeary · 11/04/2024 08:11

I thought the point of a bothy/bunk house was that it’s essentially a stone shed with bunk beds in- one room and everyone shares? So the whole thing would have to be single sex because there aren’t multiple rooms?

Or are there different types I haven’t encountered?

This is sort of a hybrid between a bunkhouse and a YHA. Concrete floors (no frills at all!) and rooms of varied sizes with these chunky wooden bed pods in them. You can hire a whole room for your party (it's no kids, but couples for example could book a room with two beds) if available, or just buy a bed and get put into a room with others. Rooms vary in size / number of beds. The OP has had to share as this is in a place with few other local options and is very popular and there's no capacity for them to have a full room.

BobbyBiscuits · 11/04/2024 09:33

It feels bad, but from their Pov if they have just 2 beds, it's not like they can unbook the other person who booked before you.
Could you ask the venue to pass your details to the other person as it's be nice to introduce yourself beforehand? Then if they were nice they would probably reach out? But again it may not be clear what sex they are, unless you explicitly ask! If it's a deal breaker, don't book if it means you'll be stranded with nowhere to sleep if they turn out to be male.

parkrunpal · 11/04/2024 09:27

Turmerictolly · 11/04/2024 04:41

Ask them if you can camp in the grounds? Will be a pain carrying the gear but you could courier it ahead.

It's in Scotland, you can wild camp anywhere. There's plenty of wild camping available just yards from the bunkhouse, and even a row of portaloos

Helleofabore · 11/04/2024 09:19

Ohdearydeary · 11/04/2024 08:34

But if it’s a bothy/bunkhouse with only one room and two beds in the building (which is what they are like in my experience- can’t see if op has confirmed it has multiple rooms)- then the whole thing would need to be made single sex.

So it’s as likely to be made male only as female only, and then op wouldn’t be able to stay at all?

Surely it makes more sense for it to be available for anyone who wants to use it and those that don’t feel comfortable choose somewhere else?

Edited

I am confused. It doesn’t seem feasible that this is a trip with two people only and they have the only accommodation available. Is that what you are saying the trip is?

Chersfrozenface · 11/04/2024 09:03

It' s not a bothy, it's a bunkhouse with rooms for 2, 4 and 6 people.

Not cheap, either - £44 per bunk without breakfast, £54 with, towels £2.50 each

Ohdearydeary · 11/04/2024 08:34

Helleofabore · 11/04/2024 07:56

That’s great.

But I am sure you now realise that some female people will have trouble sharing a two bunk room with a male person. They may even not want to share with one that they know well.

But if it’s a bothy/bunkhouse with only one room and two beds in the building (which is what they are like in my experience- can’t see if op has confirmed it has multiple rooms)- then the whole thing would need to be made single sex.

So it’s as likely to be made male only as female only, and then op wouldn’t be able to stay at all?

Surely it makes more sense for it to be available for anyone who wants to use it and those that don’t feel comfortable choose somewhere else?

Ohdearydeary · 11/04/2024 08:11

I thought the point of a bothy/bunk house was that it’s essentially a stone shed with bunk beds in- one room and everyone shares? So the whole thing would have to be single sex because there aren’t multiple rooms?

Or are there different types I haven’t encountered?

Helleofabore · 11/04/2024 07:56

Umbrella84218 · 11/04/2024 05:05

I have stayed in lots of bothys, bunk houses predominantly with males

I have never experienced any issues

Most people will be sharing a common love of the out doors, nature, hiking, biking, climbing, photography, weather etc

That’s great.

But I am sure you now realise that some female people will have trouble sharing a two bunk room with a male person. They may even not want to share with one that they know well.

Zyq · 11/04/2024 07:45

JudgeJ · 10/04/2024 18:01

Be careful, I'm not sure one is allowed to question such things in Scotland, it will be classed as a 'hate crime' this week!

No, it wouldn't.

Umbrella84218 · 11/04/2024 05:05

I have stayed in lots of bothys, bunk houses predominantly with males

I have never experienced any issues

Most people will be sharing a common love of the out doors, nature, hiking, biking, climbing, photography, weather etc