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to stop DD having holidays?

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PomPomDahlia27 · 10/04/2024 10:21

DH and I stopped family holidays 12 years ago as it was too hard because both DD1 and DD2 have SEN. Since then DH and DD2 have gone on mini breaks around the UK 2 or 3 times a year while I stay at home with DD1. Everyone has been happy with this arrangement.

Now DD2 is a young adult this isn’t working so well because she feels DH doesn’t meet her needs properly in terms of reassurance and controlling her anxiety. He just about covers her physical needs although they frequently bicker because he doesn’t do things the way she likes.

They’ve just come home early from a week away because DD was so stressed and DH couldn’t calm her down.

Looking ahead, what do I do?

DD does have paid carers some of the time but DH doesn’t want to go away on holiday with a carer in tow, and also we would have to pay for their room and meals.

The obvious answer is for me to go with them purely to be the mediator and counsellor etc so we will have the extra the cost plus I don’t actually want to go at all tbh. I don’t like going away, I hate the activities they enjoy so literally I will spend my time following them around just being her carer.

But it seems that if I don’t agree then DD won’t have anymore holidays as it’s just not working with DH anymore.

AIBU to say I won’t go?

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Halfemptyhalfling · 10/04/2024 17:21

The anxiety is not unusual for girls her age. They've all had their lives at the threshold of adulthood disrupted by covid. However it's likely fed in her case by being a wheel chair user with less control. She might benefit from cognitive behavioural therapy to stop her destructive thought patterns that lead her to act out. There is likely to be a waiting list. Had she tried meditation or mindfulness to help calm her down?

MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 10/04/2024 17:10

MississippiAF · 10/04/2024 17:05

I doubt think the examples listed are just anxiety. They remind me more of PDA profile ASD.

Reading through the thread wondering something like this too, sounds like she needs people to hear and validate her worries and anxiety, butbif they mention any of there own she 'kicks off' re possible rain/car being OK. I wonder as pp has said if she's stuck in child mode where everyone else has the responsibility for putting her first always and always shielding her from general life?

MILTOBE · 10/04/2024 17:08

Her anxiety does make her appear to be very controlling.

MississippiAF · 10/04/2024 17:05

I doubt think the examples listed are just anxiety. They remind me more of PDA profile ASD.

MILTOBE · 10/04/2024 17:01

DragonFly98 · 10/04/2024 16:41

I keep reading the op thinking I am missing something as the responses don't make sense to me either. Are your saying you don't take your daughter in holiday because it's not enjoyable for you? That's just being a parent.

If you care for someone with such high levels of anxiety, you really do need a break yourself. That's all the OP is wanting. She's coped with this for over twenty years. Give her a break.

siameselife · 10/04/2024 17:00

DragonFly98 · 10/04/2024 16:41

I keep reading the op thinking I am missing something as the responses don't make sense to me either. Are your saying you don't take your daughter in holiday because it's not enjoyable for you? That's just being a parent.

I think you are missing the part where she is a burnt out carer of two adults with additional support needs.

MILTOBE · 10/04/2024 17:00

I feel for all of you, but for the first time since I've been on MN I have to say that I don't think your husband is the problem! He must feel like a bag of nerves, never feeling he can say something without a huge backlash.

Does she need personal care when she's away or would she be able to go away with a group?

I can see why you want time to yourself and I can see why your elder daughter has felt like she doesn't have the attention she deserves.

Does your daughter do or take anything to help with her anxiety? I think most of us would really struggle with that level of scrutiny over what we were saying and I really feel for your husband.

StormingNorman · 10/04/2024 16:59

PomPomDahlia27 · 10/04/2024 14:04

I think DD is over sensitive and I think her behaviour is often out of proportion. But I try and recognise that anxiety is a condition she suffers with and can't control, so I try and understand it's not so easy for her to control her feelings.

I'm desperately hoping that as she gets older she will develop more strength to brush off other people's comments and not react to absolutely everything but it's not happening yet. She also needs to foster that self awareness of how her behaviour is affecting other people but so far that is r happening either.

DH and I do find her utterly exhausting. Not the physical stuff, we're used to that, it's the emotional side which is hard.

You can learn to control your anxiety. Speak to her therapist about CBT. She’s taking you all for a ride here and using it as a means of control.

Commonsense22 · 10/04/2024 16:58

DragonFly98 · 10/04/2024 16:41

I keep reading the op thinking I am missing something as the responses don't make sense to me either. Are your saying you don't take your daughter in holiday because it's not enjoyable for you? That's just being a parent.

What? Did you miss the part where the OP has two adult children with SEN? Are you in that situation?
I'm exhausted just reading about it.

BoohooWoohoo · 10/04/2024 16:57

DragonFly98 · 10/04/2024 16:41

I keep reading the op thinking I am missing something as the responses don't make sense to me either. Are your saying you don't take your daughter in holiday because it's not enjoyable for you? That's just being a parent.

There’s a second daughter who isn’t interested in the sorts of holidays that dd2 and her dad enjoys. Dd1 has special needs too and prefers to stay at home rather than travel.

Doingmybest12 · 10/04/2024 16:46

DragonFly98 · 10/04/2024 16:41

I keep reading the op thinking I am missing something as the responses don't make sense to me either. Are your saying you don't take your daughter in holiday because it's not enjoyable for you? That's just being a parent.

Yes but the daughter is an adult who the op provides a lot of additional care for and she'd like a break. daughter is a uni student and wants to do the holiday , has another parent who can do it with her if they could work together on it.

pizzaHeart · 10/04/2024 16:44

PomPomDahlia27 · 10/04/2024 12:13

@DoreenonTill8 a bit harsh?

I'm pointing out the kind of things he says that set DD off. Fairly silly and innocuous stuff, but I know when he says something like that she will be upset but he doesn't. Hence the problem.

Also, we have an added layer of conflict because DD wants me to "stop" him saying stupid things and obvs I've told her that He's a grown man doing nothing wrong except some ill judged one liners that upset her because she's sensitive.

It frustrates me because he could avoid a lot of the trouble by choosing his words more carefully but for whatever reason it just keeps happening constantly.

I think he is a problem, sorry. He should be able regulate himself. It looks for me like he doesn’t want to make an effort and I wonder if it comes across the same way for your daughter.
He should consider her feelings seriously. It’s easy for him to say: Well, well deal with it when it comes. But your DD is not able to deal with a lot of things on her own, due to her disability her world is much less secure, she relies on things being set up in certain way but there is no guarantee that they will be set up in a certain way. She is old enough to understand problems but she is not mature enough not to care.
However saying this I wonder if their set up is overgrown itself and it’s time to look for something different and send her out with a carer. By the way I don’t think he should have a say in the decision about carer, it’s not for him it’s for DD so only her opinion matters. You probably won’t be able to send her to a big adventure with a carer straight away so there should be some transition period.
I can imagine how frustrating this behavior is for your DD. Our daughter has additional needs and mild anxiety and I have anxiety myself and my DH does stupid unthoughtful comments sometimes as well, it drives me mad, he is doing it in a bit of a thinking way: Well, it might lead to a fire actually…
It took me a while to get to him but he is improving. I think it’s ignorance in a way and lack of understanding.

godmum56 · 10/04/2024 16:42

Ohhbaby · 10/04/2024 16:36

See the thing is, this is not realistic. Because she living life on earth. She has the problem, she needs strategies and therapy to cope with the problem, not teaching everyone she come across (incl the bus driver/random shopper at Tesco/ little girl in line at the bank with her mom whatever, to not trigger her. Life is triggering mate. You know what is really not helping her and letting her down. Allowing her to not move forward. Tiptoeing around her is letting her down, it's keeping her dependent on the only person who has conditioned herself to not say anything, to live an unrealistic life. Her mom. It's keeping her in the home. Whereas she might be way more independent if she is taught how to deal with life. Not life being taught to deal with her. It sounds harsh but that is the help she needs. That is the help we give all people on therapy. We teach autistic youngsters what to do if they get over stimulated, how to calm themselves down, how to read facial expressions. We don't teach everyone around them not to overstimulate them and to not show emotion

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DragonFly98 · 10/04/2024 16:41

I keep reading the op thinking I am missing something as the responses don't make sense to me either. Are your saying you don't take your daughter in holiday because it's not enjoyable for you? That's just being a parent.

godmum56 · 10/04/2024 16:41

CrispieCake · 10/04/2024 15:22

When you get to a certain stage of physical and emotional burnout, all activities requiring more than a minimal level of engagement are a chore. You literally want to be left alone to stare at the TV/a wall. I suspect the OP is closer to this than she is necessarily saying or realises.

This. Also its not as though the OP is getting to kick back and enjoy the activity, she is there to be a buffer between her husband and her daughter...all the time she is on duty in case something goes wrong....that's not any kind of leisure.

Maglian · 10/04/2024 16:39

Doingmybest12 · 10/04/2024 16:28

Sounds like in an effort to promote your daughters independence she's not been expected to work around other people and their needs too. You've kept her in the child role.

This is insightful. OP read up on Transactional Analysis. The 3 main ego states are Child, Adult and Parent. Interactions tend to go Adult to Adult or Parent - Child. One person adopting one state tends to push the other into the paired one - so if you interact as an adult then so will the other person, but if you adopt parent you'll push the other person into child, or vice versa. Do look it up if you're not already aware of it.

The move into more adult - adult relationships is important but it must be very hard to juggling with your daughters' high needs. Examining some of their (and your) recent interactions through a transactional analysis lens might be useful though.

BoohooWoohoo · 10/04/2024 16:38

What’s the relationship between dd1 and dd2 like? Must be very difficult for dd1 too because it sounds like your house operates around not annoying dd2 and that’s clearly not possible based on the sort of examples that you’ve given. Many lesser people would be avoiding contact as a coping mechanism.
Does she have friends at uni ?

Sirzy · 10/04/2024 16:38

It sounds like when dd is at university and/or with carers you and DH need to make an effort to take some time for the two of you AND both take time individually for yourselves too. Use that time for self care

Ohhbaby · 10/04/2024 16:36

Ponoka7 · 10/04/2024 16:28

It's really easy. Which us why it's on anyone's care plan who is in residential. You just don't verbalise the worst case scenario or catastrophise. If he can't manage that then she is best with someone who can meet all her needs. It's a shame that he is letting her down.

See the thing is, this is not realistic. Because she living life on earth. She has the problem, she needs strategies and therapy to cope with the problem, not teaching everyone she come across (incl the bus driver/random shopper at Tesco/ little girl in line at the bank with her mom whatever, to not trigger her. Life is triggering mate. You know what is really not helping her and letting her down. Allowing her to not move forward. Tiptoeing around her is letting her down, it's keeping her dependent on the only person who has conditioned herself to not say anything, to live an unrealistic life. Her mom. It's keeping her in the home. Whereas she might be way more independent if she is taught how to deal with life. Not life being taught to deal with her. It sounds harsh but that is the help she needs. That is the help we give all people on therapy. We teach autistic youngsters what to do if they get over stimulated, how to calm themselves down, how to read facial expressions. We don't teach everyone around them not to overstimulate them and to not show emotion

godmum56 · 10/04/2024 16:36

DoreenonTill8 · 10/04/2024 16:22

Absolutely this, it sounds like dd2 is controlling the house. You can't watch what you want to on TV till she does, she wants taken to something she's booked tickets for, but dh wasn't actually asked day/time to take her, and it's still his fault? It sounds like you Absolutely agree with dd2 that she is the priority and all demands must be met, this isn't fair on anyone and again poor dd1 having her life controlled so much by someone who doesn't even live there.

This.

Bushmillsbabe · 10/04/2024 16:36

It sounds like the support you give with hr anxiety is mainly verbal/talking based?
Is there a reason why this couldn't be done over a video call, so you can support but not actually be there in person?
And you said she has counselling which helps - again could she have a session of this while away via video call, to help support her emotionally?

LIZS · 10/04/2024 16:35

Doingmybest12 · 10/04/2024 16:28

Sounds like in an effort to promote your daughters independence she's not been expected to work around other people and their needs too. You've kept her in the child role.

Her behaviour is definitely coming across as immature. Does she have friends at uni?

DoreenonTill8 · 10/04/2024 16:35

Ponoka7 · 10/04/2024 16:28

It's really easy. Which us why it's on anyone's care plan who is in residential. You just don't verbalise the worst case scenario or catastrophise. If he can't manage that then she is best with someone who can meet all her needs. It's a shame that he is letting her down.

Why is commenting re the weather the worst case scenario or catastrophising?

How do you make a care plan that would be 'we don't know what or when saying something may upset her, it constantly changes' would you really say, 'we just need to do EVERYTHING EXACTLY as she wants no matter what, if she still gets upset, its still your fault, you're always wrong.'?

hattie43 · 10/04/2024 16:34

I wish you wouldn't denigrate your OH as he seems to be very good taking her on holiday at all . Most people wouldn't entertain such a difficult time .
Your daughter is of an age where she needs to be more self reliant .

PomPomDahlia27 · 10/04/2024 16:34

I really appreciate everyone's thoughts, it's so helpful to get different perspective.
To try and address some of the comments and questions:

DH is not a saint, but I can see that he does bite his tongue a lot and put up with a lot. He really loves the holidays with her despite it being hard work doing the caring and I'm sad for him that he gets so much grief from her.

I am totally running in empty. Re the activities - I don't want to do any of them, I don't want to so anything. I want to stay at home in my garden with the dogs and be left in peace. The last 20+ years have finished me off and there's no end in sight

DH and I spend very little time together, haven't at all since the girls were born, and are trying to address that but DD2's needs come first in all our plans

DD1 is ok. We spend a lot of quality time together and she is not overlooked anymore.

I'm definitely going to think more about my approach to DD2's anxiety so I move away from just keeping the peace as that's not really helping long term.

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