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DD angry at mature student for inappropriate email

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KeepCalmPlease · 09/04/2024 23:11

NC just in case.
Daughter is angry this eve as a mature student on her course has mistakenly replied all to the class, instead of just her lecturer. In the email, apparently they brag about finishing their assigned work early, and then flirt about a shared hobby with lecturer. Daughter wants to bring this up formally with the institution along with other friends of hers. I haven't seen the email so I'm not sure what "flirting" is but I suspect the mature student, being older, just shares a hobby with lecturer (and likes being teachers pet).
My advice to her is just ignore the mistake, keep your head down and make sure your own work is done. AIBU?

I'm not sure why DD is so exasperated by this. I'm sure many emails fly about all day in academia.

OP posts:
BionicBadger · 10/04/2024 11:37

Phew. I’m another one relieved that DD is satisfied, whatever would we do if she remained disgruntled? I don’t even want to think about it.

Ted27 · 10/04/2024 11:36

I'm celebrating with a chocolate twist

DD angry at mature student for inappropriate email
Emotionalsupportviper · 10/04/2024 11:33

Starlight1979 · 10/04/2024 11:30

I think I speak on behalf of all of MN (and indeed all students and lecturers at the Uni) when I say thank god your DD is satisfied by this outcome. I dread to think what would have happened had she not deemed it acceptable 😂

You beat me to it!

As long as OP's DD is "satisfied", then all is right with the world and we can sleep safely in our beds tonight.

okthenwhat · 10/04/2024 11:32

KeepCalmPlease · 10/04/2024 11:27

Update. Mature student has sent another reply all message (!) apologising for the "tone" of her last email. I'm guessing the lecturer asked her to possibly. DD seems satisfied and is back to her essay.

Who died and put her in charge. Goodness me!

VaddaABeetch · 10/04/2024 11:30

Well that’s a relief that your daughter is satisfied. Phew.

Starlight1979 · 10/04/2024 11:30

KeepCalmPlease · 10/04/2024 11:27

Update. Mature student has sent another reply all message (!) apologising for the "tone" of her last email. I'm guessing the lecturer asked her to possibly. DD seems satisfied and is back to her essay.

I think I speak on behalf of all of MN (and indeed all students and lecturers at the Uni) when I say thank god your DD is satisfied by this outcome. I dread to think what would have happened had she not deemed it acceptable 😂

tiredinoratia · 10/04/2024 11:29
  1. it must be tricky for the mature student in terms of like minded peers and they may feel closer aligned to the tutor

2)why is your daughter threatened by a relationship between two people that has nothing to do with her? I'd be curious about this.

  1. Has she experienced a situation before where she can't trust someone's professionalism. It sounds like a few assumptive leaps on her part.
KeepCalmPlease · 10/04/2024 11:27

Update. Mature student has sent another reply all message (!) apologising for the "tone" of her last email. I'm guessing the lecturer asked her to possibly. DD seems satisfied and is back to her essay.

OP posts:
Starlight1979 · 10/04/2024 11:27

cardibach · 10/04/2024 11:23

18 year old me wasn’t upset when there was actual shagging for marks going on. Made no odds to me. Didn’t lower my mark so 🤷‍♀️

Exactly this 😂Even IF a mature student is shagging the professor. And in the (very unlikely event) they get marked higher than they should... So what?! Doesn't make any difference to anyone else! It's not like you're ranked in order from best to worst student 😂

cardibach · 10/04/2024 11:26

Judystilldreamsofhorses · 09/04/2024 23:43

I’m a lecturer and an ex mature student I taught is now one of my closest friends - gay man so absolutely nothing flirtatious - but that friendship didn’t develop until after he had completed his course. It would have been wildly unprofessional otherwise.

It’s most likely work is blind marked (with student numbers rather than names, and no-one has time to be cross referencing those) and then double marked by a second staff member, so favouritism in giving grades is not at all likely. Students often complain about marking taking longer than they would like but it is in their absolute best interests!

Seriously? You aren’t allowed to be friendly with your adult students anymore? University has changed (and not for the better). When I was there it was an academic community with mutual respect and often friendship (and some I appropriate shenanigans that everyone rolled their eyes about). They aren’t children.

TwinklyRoseTurtle · 10/04/2024 11:25

ChinnyChin2 · 10/04/2024 11:22

Thanks! Had a senior moment and missed that bit

@ChinnyChin2 your welcome, i was up early and caught it all 😂

cardibach · 10/04/2024 11:23

Ponderingwindow · 09/04/2024 23:36

I could see my own dd being upset by something like this. I can see my 18yo self being upset by something like this.

I also know that by the end of university I had developed a friendly relationship with several of my professors. It was still professional, but if you spend enough time with a person, you inevitably get to know them.

By graduate school it was much less formal.

so with a little bit of maturity I would have been able to see that it is likely not a big deal, but 18yo me sure would have been upset.

18 year old me wasn’t upset when there was actual shagging for marks going on. Made no odds to me. Didn’t lower my mark so 🤷‍♀️

ChinnyChin2 · 10/04/2024 11:22

TwinklyRoseTurtle · 10/04/2024 11:09

‘She said she will sleep on it but her whatsapps been buzzing away with chat about the email no doubt’

@ChinnyChin2 page 2

Thanks! Had a senior moment and missed that bit

Emotionalsupportviper · 10/04/2024 11:22

ASighMadeOfStone · 10/04/2024 09:28

You sound bizarrely invested in your daughter's coursemates.

"Bragging" about how they got on the course= "what grades did you need and subsequently obtain"

Otherwise, what are you both inferring?

You could also try and get rid of the chip on your shoulder about people older than you getting on better than you in the workplace.

There's perhaps a correlation with the time you spend bitching about other people and the fact they're doing better than you.

You could also try and get rid of the chip on your shoulder about people older than you getting on better than you in the workplace.

Indeed.

I was a mature student myself.

I was the one who had to retake my A-levels* aged 40 because when I was actually at school my home life was so sh1t I couldn't study effectively.

I was the one who asked the questions the whole class was wondering about because the younger ones wouldn't ask in case they made fools of themselves.

I was the one who got my work in as early as I could because I also had a disabled husband, and a house full of kids and dogs to worry about so I didn't dare risk leaving anything to the last minute.

I was the one who wasn't out on the piss every night and panicking at the night before deadline because I hadn't done the reading, let alone written the essay, and now I couldn't get hold of the books because other students in similar mode had got them out of the library.

I was the one who knew that this was probably the last chance I had for a decent education, and was I hell going to waste it.

And while I wasn't "friends" with the tutors, in the sense that I didn't share hobbies or go for a drink with them, I probably did find it easier to talk to them in a relaxed manner just because most of them were nearer my age.

*I took 4, in a year, in my spare time, and achieved 3-A stars and a B. Nobody did me any favours by feeling sorry for me because I was "old", or they were "pally" with me. I worked my arse off to get there and make a good job of it. You'll find that most mature students are the same. They know it's now or never for them.

okthenwhat · 10/04/2024 11:19

She'll come across like a childish tattle-tale. Does she frequently start drama?

BobbyBiscuits · 10/04/2024 11:17

It wasn't intended for her and was sent in error. The old 'reply all' I've seen someone sacked over one of those. But it was bullying related.
I don't know what she will achieve by making a complaint. The other student is allowed to talk to the teacher about hobbies? Is it that your daughter is worried the other one is getting preferential treatment? Does she fancy or particularly dislike the other student or the teacher? Sorry, it just seems like I'm not sure she should waste much energy on it.

Ted27 · 10/04/2024 11:15

I'd be interested to know what ramifications she thinks there would be for a student completing assignments early

HarrietPierce · 10/04/2024 11:13

ManchesterBeatrice · Today 08:26
'Sleeping on it' like she's the boss 😂

Exactly She must have a very high opinion of herself.

Eleganz · 10/04/2024 11:13

Sparsely · 10/04/2024 11:08

I remember from being a student, everyone hated mature students. This is because they show up the standard-age students , who don't have that much time for studying because they have such a lot of young people nonsense going on.

We didn't like them because they were diligent, offered considered and mature opinions that showed us all up. They did all the reading , even the optional stuff, and they genuinely enjoyed it. They got firsts in all their essays.

We also didn't like them because they were old and therefore we were constrained in what we could say in front of them. We were glad when they left with their earnest opinions on subject related matters and we could really concentrate on our excessive drinking, smoking and mindless flirting again (this was the 90s, I am sure young people may vary their time-wasting activities today).

I would just tell your daughter, dislike of mature students is as old as the student she's talking about, But she should be honest about the reasons she doesn't like them and she has no reason to think they are getting unearned favourable treatment.

Whilst I agree that OP's DD situation is nothing to stress over. I don't think that one can describe mature students or younger students in such monolithic terms. I've experienced a range of abilities, levels of application, etc. in students of all ages.

Ted27 · 10/04/2024 11:11

@Fladdermus

Starting lectures on time - what madness!

They would have loved me - when I was a mature student I made a complaint about a group of students who turned up 15 minutes late every single time, and brought breakfast with them - not just a drink - bacon sarnies, McDs etc. Disrupted everyone else
Hot food was banned - I was not popular

TwinklyRoseTurtle · 10/04/2024 11:09

ChinnyChin2 · 10/04/2024 09:40

your daughter and classmates are watsapping none stop about this,

where does the OP say this @TwinklyRoseTurtle ?

‘She said she will sleep on it but her whatsapps been buzzing away with chat about the email no doubt’

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Sparsely · 10/04/2024 11:08

I remember from being a student, everyone hated mature students. This is because they show up the standard-age students , who don't have that much time for studying because they have such a lot of young people nonsense going on.

We didn't like them because they were diligent, offered considered and mature opinions that showed us all up. They did all the reading , even the optional stuff, and they genuinely enjoyed it. They got firsts in all their essays.

We also didn't like them because they were old and therefore we were constrained in what we could say in front of them. We were glad when they left with their earnest opinions on subject related matters and we could really concentrate on our excessive drinking, smoking and mindless flirting again (this was the 90s, I am sure young people may vary their time-wasting activities today).

I would just tell your daughter, dislike of mature students is as old as the student she's talking about, But she should be honest about the reasons she doesn't like them and she has no reason to think they are getting unearned favourable treatment.

BrownTroutBlues · 10/04/2024 11:05

This has nothing to do with your DD and doesn’t impact her
She needs to move on

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 10/04/2024 11:00

What does ‘bragging’ about completing assignments even look like. Maybe its just a statement of fact.

I see this sort of language all the time on MN. Someone is apparently 'bragging' about something when it seems to be all they've done is mention it.

Some people get incredibly worked up at anyone ever mentioning anything that could be considered some sort of achievement.

You live in a shit town and someone happens to mention they live in the neighbouring much nicer one? Bragging.

You are on the basic salary band for your job and a colleague mentions they've been put forward for a promotion that will put them on a higher band? Bragging.

Your sister mentions happily that your nephew just passed his drving test first time, and you know your kids all took theirs twice, even though she never mentioned your kids at all by way of comparison? Bragging.

Just booked a holiday to Florida and mentioned it to your SIL who is going to Devon and struggling to afford that? Well, obviously you are bragging.

Even if the comment was not said with the intention of making someone else feel lesser, if it does, then there will be an accusation of bragging, or 'they think they are better than us.'

So the OP's DD might be struggling with her deadline, so someone else mentioning they finished an assignment with time to spare is automatically considered to be bragging.

These things always say more about the accuser than the 'bragger.' It must be depressing to live in such a way that you see everyone else as a threat to your own self worth.

Fladdermus · 10/04/2024 10:59

My DH currently has a group of students like this. Frothing each other up into formally complaining about stuff that makes them look like utter twits.

Like 'playing favourites' ie starting the lecture on time for the handfull of punctual students rather than waiting half an hour for the rest to meander in.

Their latest formal complain about him is that his exam paper had questions that weren't on last years exam paper. How is it reasonable to expect them to prepare if they don't know what to prepare for!