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DD angry at mature student for inappropriate email

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KeepCalmPlease · 09/04/2024 23:11

NC just in case.
Daughter is angry this eve as a mature student on her course has mistakenly replied all to the class, instead of just her lecturer. In the email, apparently they brag about finishing their assigned work early, and then flirt about a shared hobby with lecturer. Daughter wants to bring this up formally with the institution along with other friends of hers. I haven't seen the email so I'm not sure what "flirting" is but I suspect the mature student, being older, just shares a hobby with lecturer (and likes being teachers pet).
My advice to her is just ignore the mistake, keep your head down and make sure your own work is done. AIBU?

I'm not sure why DD is so exasperated by this. I'm sure many emails fly about all day in academia.

OP posts:
KeepCalmPlease · 10/04/2024 15:18

I think DD is already 'over' it and all is well. An evening drama and nothing more. She was right, sleeping on it did help her think about the situation. Not sure how I am encouraging bullying by telling her to forget about it!

OP posts:
ChurchOfSeitan · 10/04/2024 15:07

Moonshadow2 · 10/04/2024 13:16

Hello, can the original poster contact me please?

Confused
yourmamaa · 10/04/2024 15:05

OP, are you sure the others aren't just egging your DD on so they can make her a laughingstock? Unfortunately it seems like that might be the case.

Bullying does exist at uni and I feel you're helping your DD be the subject of mockery instead of helping her realise what's going on.

willWillSmithsmith · 10/04/2024 15:04

KomodoOhno · 10/04/2024 14:38

Thank God for that 😒! I hate to think what can happen when dd is not satisfied.

The DD seems to see herself as some kind of overseer in all of this. So she’s satisfied, er ok so now she’s ‘spoken’ that’s the end of the (non) matter.

poetryandwine · 10/04/2024 14:54

PurBal · 10/04/2024 05:52

”just to let you know I’ve uploaded X assignment to the portal, I know it’s not due for another week but want to make sure you’ve received it.” - normal.
”have you done hobby lately? I found out about this great tip” - normal
TBH two consenting adults are allowed to date.
As an adult in the workplace I use reply all more than just reply so I would assume an honest mistake. Also if they thought they were doing something questionable they’d double check.

There is a boundary when one is teaching the other . In most British universities a lecturer is not allowed to date their UG student until after the teaching relationship has been dissolved

EmilyTheCriminal · 10/04/2024 14:50

Daughter and mother alike need to get a grip.

NoisySnail · 10/04/2024 14:48

Your DD is young so seeing this as more a teacher/pupil relationship, rather than two adults.
But it is good to teach her not to meddle in things that have nothing to do with her unless there is a safeguarding or health and safety issue involved. We all know that employee who reports other employees who spend ten minutes too long on their break or bunks of early. They are always hated. Encourage her not to be like that. Tell her the lecturer will deal with any issue themselves, but that they will do it privately as it is nothing to do with her. It is an important lesson to learn.

poetryandwine · 10/04/2024 14:46

parietal · 10/04/2024 00:05

I'm a university lecturer. All our marking is anonymous so it can't possibly favour anyone.

Your DD is making a fuss about nothing and if she complains, nothing will happen.

Another academic who agrees with this.

Possibly the student is trying to curry favour. If so they have badly embarrassed themselves. In any case it should be no business of the other students, and every academic knows how to deal with this privately.

4timesthefun · 10/04/2024 14:44

I can’t even wrap my head around why she gave it more thought than the time it took to read the email. One of the mature aged students in my postgrad cohort was sleeping with the lecturer. None of our group cared at all, we weren’t wanting to fight her for him!

KomodoOhno · 10/04/2024 14:38

willWillSmithsmith · 10/04/2024 14:29

Honestly OP your DD is ‘satisfied’!

Thank God for that 😒! I hate to think what can happen when dd is not satisfied.

leli · 10/04/2024 14:35

Moonshadow2 · 10/04/2024 13:16

Hello, can the original poster contact me please?

This is quite a scary message to the OP.

Greenfluffycardi · 10/04/2024 14:33

Well it’s not really her business whether the email was sent to everybody or not. Exactly what does she gain from reporting it? Have either of them actually done anything wrong? Does the teacher treat her differently? Honestly I’d be having a serious word if this was my daughter and to tell her to grow up.

willWillSmithsmith · 10/04/2024 14:29

KeepCalmPlease · 10/04/2024 11:27

Update. Mature student has sent another reply all message (!) apologising for the "tone" of her last email. I'm guessing the lecturer asked her to possibly. DD seems satisfied and is back to her essay.

Honestly OP your DD is ‘satisfied’!

RollyPol · 10/04/2024 14:14

None of her business, if you teach her to keep her nose out of people's business (unless this is a serious threat to health/life) she would do well in life.

5128gap · 10/04/2024 14:13

I think I'd be asking my DD why she was so upset about it, and what she hoped to achieve by the complaint. You never know, there could be some backstory of inappropriate conduct or favouritism behind it. I'd also be pointing out to her the appropriate response to receiving an email sent in error and clearly not meant for you, as she will need to learn this before moving into any professional circles.

GlennCloseButNoCigar · 10/04/2024 14:12

KeepCalmPlease · 10/04/2024 09:33

Well I've seen the email and to be fair it's a bit flirty and very braggy. DD has come to senses and isn't going to take it further. I've encouraged her to get back to her dreaming spires and concentrate on other things!

In what way way? I’m struggling to understand how it’s flirty? And even if it is does it matter, work is marked anonymously and ratified at the end from the independent exam board. So it’ll make no difference. Does DD have her own small crush going on? Remind her to not team up against said mature student with the rest of the cohort. Bullying accusations will stick faster than the flirt ones.

StrawberrySquash · 10/04/2024 14:01

KeepCalmPlease · 09/04/2024 23:30

Well the "flirtatious " email was sent to her as well to be fair !

Not deliberately though. Which is a pretty crucial difference.

DriftingDora · 10/04/2024 13:58

NarwhalsJustDontLetEmTouchYourBalls · 10/04/2024 08:28

I can actually see where your DD is coming from.

My DC has a place on a really niche Uni course and there are only a handful of students. 2 of them are mature students (40's) and I know this already as my DC knows them from other courses and they are on a WhatsApp group. They have both been bragging that they got onto this course on the group whereas my DC has not said anything. I have already spoken to my DC about them both, and warned them to make sure that they don't monopolise the best opportunities on this course (lots of projects) via schmoozing up to the teachers and bringing out sharp elbows. I saw them both on the open day and they monopolised questions and the main teachers time at the expense of others. It was so bad that I stepped in to have my DC's and others questions answered in the forum. Someone 18 wasn't going to pull them up on it.

At work, I see it as well. Older people who like a bit of politics, making best mates with the boss, and all of a sudden they are given a leg up, more money, better projects etc. whilst the younger ones, who are often more competent, don't have the personal skills yet to pull a sly one.

Mature students are just that. They have the experience of how the world works, and how to play the game and SOME, not all of course, but some take advantage of this in a selfish way to get what they want at the expense of the "kids" around them.

whilst the younger ones, who are often more competent, don't have the personal skills yet to pull a sly one.

'Often more competent'? In what way and on what evidence?

Your post is full of random generalisations with no proof to back up any of it. I might just as well say that younger ones come to university from school extremely competent at blaming others for their own failings and for putting forward reasons why they should have special consideration for missing deadlines, etc.

BananaLambo · 10/04/2024 13:49

NarwhalsJustDontLetEmTouchYourBalls · 10/04/2024 08:28

I can actually see where your DD is coming from.

My DC has a place on a really niche Uni course and there are only a handful of students. 2 of them are mature students (40's) and I know this already as my DC knows them from other courses and they are on a WhatsApp group. They have both been bragging that they got onto this course on the group whereas my DC has not said anything. I have already spoken to my DC about them both, and warned them to make sure that they don't monopolise the best opportunities on this course (lots of projects) via schmoozing up to the teachers and bringing out sharp elbows. I saw them both on the open day and they monopolised questions and the main teachers time at the expense of others. It was so bad that I stepped in to have my DC's and others questions answered in the forum. Someone 18 wasn't going to pull them up on it.

At work, I see it as well. Older people who like a bit of politics, making best mates with the boss, and all of a sudden they are given a leg up, more money, better projects etc. whilst the younger ones, who are often more competent, don't have the personal skills yet to pull a sly one.

Mature students are just that. They have the experience of how the world works, and how to play the game and SOME, not all of course, but some take advantage of this in a selfish way to get what they want at the expense of the "kids" around them.

There’s a couple of likely reasons for this, the most important one being that mature students generally really, really want to be there. They’ve worked their socks off to get in and they work their socks off while they’re there, they’re taking a hit financially, not just in terms of fees and living costs, but also because of the lost income they’d have had if they’d be working, and they understand the system better.

At 18 I knew nothing about working abroad, joining clubs and societies, networking, getting extra credentials, sourcing a good placement, etc. I was too busy having a good time going out and going to class. I thought uni was 12 hours a week because that was the contact time - when that’s just a small part of the work. If I went back now it would be because I was desperate to do it and for the career at the end. I’d be all over placements, at guest lectures, networking events, etc. because I get that it’s important. I work in a business school in a RG university. Everyone has the opportunity to take part in lots of events, but it’s mostly the mature UG and PG students who attend, and that’s simply because they’re thrilled to be there, they want to get the most of it and soak up every minute, and they want to get their money’s worth - and good luck to them, I say. That’s not a ‘leg up’, that’s recognition that they have put the work in and demonstrated their ability and potential.

DriftingDora · 10/04/2024 13:48

NarwhalsJustDontLetEmTouchYourBalls · Today 12:54

Personally I don't agree with mature students taking Uni places from 18 year olds. There are plenty of other ways to study when you are older.

You what? Exactly when did university become solely the province of 18 year olds - don't be ridiculous. It has never been, nor should it be. And if some of the 18 year olds behave in such an immature fashion as the example on here, then it's a good job. Perhaps schools should spend a bit more time explaining to the little darlings that (a) University isn't the school playground and (b) that they should try developing some maturity before they get there.

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 13:47

KeepCalmPlease · 10/04/2024 11:27

Update. Mature student has sent another reply all message (!) apologising for the "tone" of her last email. I'm guessing the lecturer asked her to possibly. DD seems satisfied and is back to her essay.

I do hope you’ve addressed with your daughter her gross attitude.

PenguinLord · 10/04/2024 13:39

KeepCalmPlease · 10/04/2024 10:15

You mean by discussing an embarrassing email with her mother ? Sounds like you are a mature student with an immature relationship. Give your head a wobble.

yEven if you went to uni now, oyu would not be a 'mature' student 😂

DriftingDora · 10/04/2024 13:37

Ted27 · 10/04/2024 11:36

I'm celebrating with a chocolate twist

I hope you haven't emailed that picture to anyone - it could cause offence, doncha know! 😂

Because "the boss" is now prepared to let things drop, I celebrated modestly....with a coffee and a rich tea biscuit (but I secretly covet your chocolate twist).

CupversusMug · 10/04/2024 13:35

NarwhalsJustDontLetEmTouchYourBalls · 10/04/2024 12:54

You could also try and get rid of the chip on your shoulder about people older than you getting on better than you in the workplace

Wrong on all fronts.

Firstly it is my son. At no point did I mention a DD. Secondly, I am 1 of 3 managers in my dept., and this is my observation of many, many years at work. There is one going on at the moment. Someone early 50's throwing a 22 year old who works really hard, under a bus with their own line manager, because they don't want the 22 year old to get ahead of her.

I am not invested in my DC's classmates. He hasn't even started yet. I saw 2 middle age men monopolise an open day and talk over the younger students. If that hadn't happened, I wouldn't have opened my mouth. As it did, I stepped in and made sure my son and the other students got to ask questions and speak to the teacher. At the end other parents thanked me.

Not over-invested at all. Just someone who is more than willing to call out people who try to get ahead at the expense of others. It's called being assertive.

I have been a student at Uni and a mature student on the Open University. Personally I don't agree with mature students taking Uni places from 18 year olds. There are plenty of other ways to study when you are older.

You think only older people who can afford to pay privately should have access to Higher Education? Despite a record fall in University applications and a skill shortage in our economy.

What on earth did you study?

DriftingDora · 10/04/2024 13:24

Starlight1979 · 10/04/2024 12:53

Well maybe her mum needs to sit her down and explain to her that school is very different from University. The main difference being EVERYONE IS AN ADULT AT UNI. If the poor little soul still doesn't understand then maybe a picture book would help?

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