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DD angry at mature student for inappropriate email

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KeepCalmPlease · 09/04/2024 23:11

NC just in case.
Daughter is angry this eve as a mature student on her course has mistakenly replied all to the class, instead of just her lecturer. In the email, apparently they brag about finishing their assigned work early, and then flirt about a shared hobby with lecturer. Daughter wants to bring this up formally with the institution along with other friends of hers. I haven't seen the email so I'm not sure what "flirting" is but I suspect the mature student, being older, just shares a hobby with lecturer (and likes being teachers pet).
My advice to her is just ignore the mistake, keep your head down and make sure your own work is done. AIBU?

I'm not sure why DD is so exasperated by this. I'm sure many emails fly about all day in academia.

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Otherstories2002 · 11/04/2024 07:48

logicisall · 10/04/2024 23:13

@Otherstories2002 will faint when she discovers first undergraduate degrees are free in Scotland - SAAS pays the tuition fees. I know two people who started uni after retirement. One had worked as a civil servant for decades. Some people go to university for their own enjoyment of learning.

Hardly. We bankroll Scotland all the time.

Otherstories2002 · 11/04/2024 07:47

Justpontificating · 10/04/2024 22:55

For first degrees everyone gets a student loan for
tuition fees
And Maintenance
The additional maintenance is based on household income just the same as it depends on parents income for 18yr olds.

eg. For his hold income of £25,000 or less you get £8400 living at home and not in London.

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You may not qualify for full maintenance if over 60.

https://www.gov.uk/student-finance/who-qualifies

Student finance for undergraduates

Student finance - student loans or student grants for tuition fees and living costs, extra help, student loan repayments.

https://www.gov.uk/student-finance/who-qualifies

burnoutbabe · 11/04/2024 07:45

Yes older adults can go to university and then never repay

But you can't get the loans if over 60. So you'd have to go 59 and then not work again

And also attend a physical uni. It doesn't apply for say open university. Or other online ones as they tend to be online.

I decided to just pay when I did a masters a few years ago (and my degree sone as a mature student was a second one).
Rather than having to have a 9% interest loan sticking around until I was 75 or so when I had the cash in savings. Having to consider income levels and pension levels to "avoid" the repayment.

Mouse82 · 11/04/2024 06:57

Your daughter is on whatsapp gossiping about another student and she wants to go running to mummy and the heads about an email. nice 😇 before casting stones and all that about her classmate, she may just want to look at what she is doing herself.

4CandlesNotForkHandles · 10/04/2024 23:15

Topseyt123 · 10/04/2024 18:47

I hate to disappoint you but no, they are not paid back. Very few student loans are repaid. Sometimes a smidge is shaved off here and there, but virtually no student loans are ever paid back.

The capital is hardly ever eroded.

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This is incorrect.

Virtually no student means…..what?……less than 10% or let’s say less than 2%.

Absolutely not!
With interest over 7% 21-27% on the old system still pay off all the loans plus interest.
With the revised system that figure will be over 60%.

logicisall · 10/04/2024 23:13

@Otherstories2002 will faint when she discovers first undergraduate degrees are free in Scotland - SAAS pays the tuition fees. I know two people who started uni after retirement. One had worked as a civil servant for decades. Some people go to university for their own enjoyment of learning.

OOBetty · 10/04/2024 23:10

missshilling · 10/04/2024 18:34

“While most borrowers will repay at least some of their loan, the income contingent nature of the loans means only 27% of full-time undergraduate higher education borrowers starting a course in 2022/23 are expected to repay their loan in full.“

https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/find-statistics/student-loan-forecasts-for-england

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Those starting last sept 23 and onwards are under the reformed system. Debt will be lower and an estimated 61% are expected to pay the full amount off.

BrownTroutBlues · 10/04/2024 23:08

Viksono · 10/04/2024 18:27

The majority are not paid back in full.

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The reformed system estimates 61% will pay their loans in full. Including all that interest.

Justpontificating · 10/04/2024 22:55

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 18:10

Many mature students wont qualify.

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For first degrees everyone gets a student loan for
tuition fees
And Maintenance
The additional maintenance is based on household income just the same as it depends on parents income for 18yr olds.

eg. For his hold income of £25,000 or less you get £8400 living at home and not in London.

BrownTroutBlues · 10/04/2024 22:45

Emotionalsupportviper · 10/04/2024 17:05

I do not agree with people who are 40plus getting full student loans for fees and maintenance.

That's a different thing entirely.

But in that case perhaps you should be petitioning the government, rather than glaring angry at your neighbours

IME most people who get a student loan don't end up paying it all back. Many (even the young ones) don't pay any of it back.

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Who said PP was glaring angrily at their neighbours!
Surely Its more sad disappointment that people would deliberately borrow money with no intention of paying any back!!!

If younger people finishing their degrees at age 21 never earn more than the minimum in their life in order to pay some of their loan back then that is extremely unusual.

Definitely not the norm and certainly not ‘Many’

RadoxMoon · 10/04/2024 22:09

Crispynoodle · 10/04/2024 20:47

Tell her to catch herself on! Mature students tend to think of lecturers as being their peers the rules are different but no lecturer that I know should be on any social media account with their students such as WhatsApp it goes against SM policy!

I think almost every WhatsApp I’m on has at least one lecturer in it!

Maybe it’s different if it’s distance learning?

peebles32 · 10/04/2024 22:04

Even if the mature student was flirting. Why does that affect your daughter?

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KeepCalmPlease · 10/04/2024 20:53

CrazyHedgehogLover · 10/04/2024 20:40

@KeepCalmPlease this thread created by yourself is about your daughter.. this person on here is literally acting no different to how you have described your daughter to be acting over this situation with the mature student..

There was I thinking we had moved on. My daughter certainly has. She is off to a jazz bar this eve !

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CupversusMug · 10/04/2024 20:51

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 20:22

Nothing wrong with having ambitions to take out loans with no intention of paying them back is not ok. It actually places the ability to access university for low income students at risk. It’s not ok. That’s the bigger picture.

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Don't be silly. What's putting the funding of University courses at risk is the stupid decisions made by our government.

From those that deter foreign students though to the ridiculous method of using the same metrics to assess the employability rates across courses, ignoring the vastly different costs involved between, for example, microbiology & history.

Crispynoodle · 10/04/2024 20:47

Tell her to catch herself on! Mature students tend to think of lecturers as being their peers the rules are different but no lecturer that I know should be on any social media account with their students such as WhatsApp it goes against SM policy!

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 20:44

CrazyHedgehogLover · 10/04/2024 20:41

@Otherstories2002 and that’s your problem how exactly? Whether she plans to pay it back or not really doesn’t affect your life.. your boring.. move along 🤣😴😴

you might view individual behaviours as isolated issues but I do not.

If I am boring might I suggest don’t engage with me? I didn’t ask you to.

Emotionalsupportviper · 10/04/2024 20:44

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CrazyHedgehogLover · 10/04/2024 20:41

@Otherstories2002 and that’s your problem how exactly? Whether she plans to pay it back or not really doesn’t affect your life.. your boring.. move along 🤣😴😴

CrazyHedgehogLover · 10/04/2024 20:40

@KeepCalmPlease this thread created by yourself is about your daughter.. this person on here is literally acting no different to how you have described your daughter to be acting over this situation with the mature student..

Calliopespa · 10/04/2024 20:31

Bellyblueboy · 10/04/2024 20:28

Why does it matter that the student is mature?

your daughter sounds a bit immature! This is why I would never be a lecturer or professor! Having to listen to all this faux outrage and drama over the silliest things.

Sounds a bit like mumsnet at times 🙊

Bellyblueboy · 10/04/2024 20:28

Why does it matter that the student is mature?

your daughter sounds a bit immature! This is why I would never be a lecturer or professor! Having to listen to all this faux outrage and drama over the silliest things.

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 20:22

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She literally stated loans and not paying it back. There’s a bigger picture here.

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 20:22

CrazyHedgehogLover · 10/04/2024 19:59

@Otherstories2002 where is it any of your business what the PP does🧐? You sound like the OPs daughter.. another busybody who thinks they know what’s happening in everyone’s lives when in reality you don’t have any idea what pension this poster will receive (not really any of your business anyway🤷‍♀️).. whether they LIVE WITH SOMEONE not OFF someone else..
Whether or not they will actually have to repay the student loan back.. AND I’m sure this poster will have looked into what she will need to pay back.. how and with what.. so why the need for your stupid comments?

you just sound jealous that this poster is clearly excited and has ambitions for when retiring..

Nothing wrong with having ambitions to take out loans with no intention of paying them back is not ok. It actually places the ability to access university for low income students at risk. It’s not ok. That’s the bigger picture.

ASighMadeOfStone · 10/04/2024 20:21

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Rainraindontgoaway · 10/04/2024 20:21

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 20:20

Aka you don’t know what you’re talking about.

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Bye bye