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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 09/04/2024 20:20

Skim read it but the picture is a giveaway.

For the record, I do not belong to this religion but I am still offended by it as I respect most religions (not the extreme elements of any)
Importantly, I'm no regular worshipper IE I dont go to our place of worship unless there is a wedding/etc/etc but I do believe there is one a lot higher than us

So I'm offended as there is no need for this kind of thing. Stuff like this applied to some other religion can often result in big problems

AIBU to feel that this kind of then should be made unlawful?

(I am aware that policing such a law would have many challenges but it is how I feel as we have enough upset in the world and do not need this type of behaviour. I'm often the first to say, live and let live if within the law but at times laws need re-visiting. IMO.

NB: I'm not having a go at this singer as many have done the same or worse, but as she his high-profile, IMO it needs to be discussed as I cant understand why she and others do this

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13288803/Rihanna-SLAMMED-provocative-magazine-sexy-nun-religious-mockery.html

Rihanna is SLAMMED by Catholics for VERY provocative magazine cover

Rihanna ruffled some religious feathers while dressed as a sexy nun on the cover of  Interview Magazine's latest issue.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13288803/Rihanna-SLAMMED-provocative-magazine-sexy-nun-religious-mockery.html

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pointythings · 10/04/2024 18:10

@DeanElderberry the law in Uganda was passed by its government, but they have invoked religion in claiming that the bill protects 'traditional and religious values'. You're right in saying it is nothing to do with the Catholic Church; rather it has been strongly influenced by extreme American evangelicals who come from the Protestant tradition.

They should still be challenged at every turn.

DeanElderberry · 10/04/2024 18:02

Regarding the law in Uganda, it wasn't passed by the church. The recent document from the Catholic church says this: 55. The Church wishes, first of all, “to reaffirm that every person, regardless of sexual orientation, ought to be respected in his or her dignity and treated with consideration, while ‘every sign of unjust discrimination’ is to be carefully avoided, particularly any form of aggression and violence.”[101] For this reason, it should be denounced as contrary to human dignity the fact that, in some places, not a few people are imprisoned, tortured, and even deprived of the good of life solely because of their sexual orientation.

https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2024/04/08/240408c.html

The costume reminds me of a friend, a nun in Africa, saying a few years ago that the women in her congregation no longer dared to wear their habits because of the myth that sex with (ie raping) a virgin cures AIDS

So I wouldn't waste energy getting indignant about a ninny like Rihanna, there are much worse things happening in the world.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 10/04/2024 17:53

StormingNorman · 10/04/2024 16:28

I’m offended at how bad the creative team have made Rihanna look.

Provocative nuns have been doing the rounds on everything from pornos to horror films forever. I am this religion and it’s just boring to me.

The blame is with no one but the person that is jumping around in that outfit. She is an adult and one old enough to know better

I still dont understand why she did it.

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StormingNorman · 10/04/2024 16:28

I’m offended at how bad the creative team have made Rihanna look.

Provocative nuns have been doing the rounds on everything from pornos to horror films forever. I am this religion and it’s just boring to me.

pointythings · 10/04/2024 16:14

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator are you OK? I mean 'Modona' and 'sole'?

Mocking religion is almost as old as religion itself. It's human nature to mock powerful institutions, and a good thing too.

Ever heard the song 'Monkey Business' by Nik Kershaw?

IAmAnIdiot123 · 10/04/2024 14:49

Don't like it, don't look at it.

It's a bit naff but it doesn't offend me. If it did, I don't think giving it free advertisement would be my first action.

Lanawashington · 10/04/2024 14:48

God rest her sole

Did she even like fish?

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 10/04/2024 14:43

Surprisedbuthappy · 10/04/2024 11:48

Meh, nothing worse than Madonna was doing 40 years ago!

You make a valid point. Just had a quick Google, and this Modona was much, much worse and diff it a few times.

I'm still unsure why women like them feel they need to do this.
I could never impagine Oliva Newton- John doing this, God rest her sole, nor Cilla, God rest her sole and Lulu.

Why do you think some singers do this and other would never dream of it.

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pointythings · 10/04/2024 14:36

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator there are many countries which have laws against this sort of thing.

They are not examples we should wish to follow. Free speech is precious.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 10/04/2024 14:35

Minion21 · 10/04/2024 11:19

I think this image is an offence to intelligence and good taste. And I'm saying it as an atheist. Not sure what point Rihanna is trying to make, she only manages to look very stupid.

I feel she felt she needed to get into the media spotlight again. I wonder what people will start doing once this becomes the norm and press ignores.
It's not nice, its not clever and for the record, I will never listen or watch this wana be big time whatever it is she does.

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 10/04/2024 14:32

ScholesPanda · 10/04/2024 12:00

I'm a regular church-goer and I'm not offended in the slightest.

We shouldn't be making things illegal on the grounds they might cause mild offence to someone.

Thanks, but you will agree that many may be.

DYI, as per my OP, I'm no worship place goes but I'm offended

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EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 10/04/2024 14:26

Blackcats7 · 09/04/2024 20:40

I am an atheist and detest all religions so this does not offend me but I agree with the point you make about it being acceptable to mock some religions but not others. Presumably in part because of fear of reprisals from the most extreme members of that religion.
Mock all of them is the way to go for me.

I think they should all be mockable - but also I think it's difficult to mock part of another culture's religion without potentially coming across as racist.

Many forms of Christianity are part of our culture, the iconography is part of our culture and have been used in ways Christians have found offensive by many artists.

Strugglingtodomybest · 10/04/2024 12:21

AIBU to feel that this kind of then should be made unlawful?

Yes, YABU.

Why exactly are you offended by it?

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 10/04/2024 12:10

Blackcats7 · 09/04/2024 20:40

I am an atheist and detest all religions so this does not offend me but I agree with the point you make about it being acceptable to mock some religions but not others. Presumably in part because of fear of reprisals from the most extreme members of that religion.
Mock all of them is the way to go for me.

@Blackcats7 it is acceptable to mock every religion, no one has the right to not be offended. We should not relinquish our precious freedoms.

ScholesPanda · 10/04/2024 12:00

I'm a regular church-goer and I'm not offended in the slightest.

We shouldn't be making things illegal on the grounds they might cause mild offence to someone.

Surprisedbuthappy · 10/04/2024 11:48

Meh, nothing worse than Madonna was doing 40 years ago!

RoomOfRequirement · 10/04/2024 11:24

Minion21 · 10/04/2024 11:19

I think this image is an offence to intelligence and good taste. And I'm saying it as an atheist. Not sure what point Rihanna is trying to make, she only manages to look very stupid.

Constantly awful.

It shouldn't be illegal but her taste/judgement is so, so bad.

And there is an odd religious double standard where this is allowed but I'm not sure her wearing a hijab or turban would happen without backlash from the people who think tilhis is good.

Minion21 · 10/04/2024 11:19

I think this image is an offence to intelligence and good taste. And I'm saying it as an atheist. Not sure what point Rihanna is trying to make, she only manages to look very stupid.

LiterallyOnFire · 10/04/2024 00:10

WinterMorn · 09/04/2024 20:27

I am offended at just about everything this notorious poster says.

Yes there's an unvarying track record there.

TotHappy · 09/04/2024 22:09

It's offensive not because it serialised Christianity but because it sexualises/objectifies women AGAIN.
The sexy nun thing is like the heterosexual man's lesbian porn: here's a woman who says she doesn't want me, she needs nothing from me, she's not interested. My ultimate fantasy is her actually, SECRETLY being well into me because she MUST be!
Ugh.

Don't see so many centre spreads of sexy monks, do you?

EffortlesslyInelegant · 09/04/2024 21:41

"If I'm offended, trust me, I'm offended"

I don't trust you. At all. I am highly unlikely to ever be affected by your being offended by anything but the idea that you might be pleases me greatly.

PrincessTeaSet · 09/04/2024 21:33

Well it's not to my taste but the sexy nun thing is hardly original.

The daily mail obviously approve, and by extension think their readers will, otherwise they wouldn't print the pictures. And the DM has the biggest readership of any UK paper. So it can't be that outrageous

Youdontevengohere · 09/04/2024 21:19

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 09/04/2024 21:06

You have a point but let me put it another way. I am offended by the very fact what some clowns have done to their pets and the way they treat them

I'm also offended when standing to pay at the till in a supermarket when some loud person is on their mobile and then delays paying at the till

If I'm offended, trust me, I'm offended.

When I see others offended for no reason at all like this link I have posted, I'm even more offended and think, why on earth do you have to behave like this

And in response to those things that you’re offended by, I repeat the above… no one has the right to not be offended.

KrisAkabusi · 09/04/2024 21:19

There are actually lots of valid reasons to mock religions and I believe all religions should be mocked, including the ones that may respond with violence.

Religion holds far too much power in this world. It oppresses and controls women, it stands in the way of freedom of faith or lack of faith in many places, it influences politics, again to the detriment of women and LGBT people. It is religion that has given us the hateful laws that are in place in many countries like Uganda, where one cannot love as one wishes for fear of persecution by the law. Religion should be called out every day for not speaking out, not searching its own heart and not accepting people as they are. A nun with lipstick on doesn't begin to offend me; the gay hate laws of Uganda and the Magdalen Laundries do.

Hear hear!