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DP and arguments over my shoes

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cocunut · 09/04/2024 17:05

Hi MN, hoping for some advice/support here or maybe some of you could point me towards a middle ground for us both!

For context, me and DP of 2 years have quite different styles. I’m early 20s, quite conventionally attractive with a good figure(if I can say so myself!) but I like to dress in a more indie way, think loose jeans or long maxi dresses/skirts if I’m dressing up! This is quite different to what I believe is his “type” who are the instagram model types, short dresses, think Oh Polly and just generally very girly outfits. I’ve always had this particular 80s-indie/manic pixie dream girl style (I was a bit of an emo kid at school!!)

The issue here is my shoes. I’ve recently found out that he HATES my doc martens (which I wear with pretty much everything, and have been since we met), and he’s said he “wishes I wouldn’t ruin a lovely outfit with a pair of trainers or boots”. Basically, he wants me in high heels, short dresses, and just generally to look a bit girlier. I’m a bit hurt because I LOVE those boots and would wear them everywhere, I think they go with everything but he vehemently disagrees.

Before I get absolutely flamed on here, I am a feminist and yes I know I can wear what I want and am well within my rights to tell him to fuck off!! But, he takes me on lovely holidays, out for dinners, day trips - all of which he pays for - and I want to look nice for him. BUT I don’t know where the line is between this and staying true to myself.

I was a bit of an ugly duckling until my late teens so I’m quite insecure - I own several short dresses that I know he’d like but I can’t bring myself to leave the house in them!

I tried browsing for high heels today and I actually almost burst into tears because, although I found some lovely shoes, none of them are ME! Same thing for the short figure hugging dresses, I’d honestly feel so insecure and like everyone was thinking im trying too hard. Plus, I don’t think I could even walk in a pair of stilettos without breaking one or more ankles….

What do I do? Do I just suck it up and buy the heels and dresses and wear them for date nights, then wear what I like to work and out with friends?? Or can I (gently) remind him that my style is part of how I express myself and I’m not willing to change??

Worth noting I am ND and was picked on in school for this and also the way I looked which explains some insecurities.

YABU - suck it up and wear the clothes he likes for date nights
YANBU - stick to my own style and remind him it’s a part of my self expression?

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Dibbydoos · 09/04/2024 23:08

Have you looked at 50s style shoes? They're girlie but with attitude imo.

I don't think I wore heels when I met my DH mainly cos he was just an inch or so taller than I am, but I did wear sandals and court-style shoes as well as boots etc.

I'm not going to comment on whether you should wear other shoes, I think that's for you to decide. Dr Martins as much as I love them, are not sexy....!!!

waterproofed · 09/04/2024 23:07

To paraphrase Glennon Doyle:

Your first duty to yourself is to disappoint everyone else before you disappoint yourself. Especially when you’re weighing up self betrayal against the visual pleasure of a man.

Whatevershallidowithmylife · 09/04/2024 23:05

I dunno, I would probably meet halfway if going out somewhere special like something from irregular choice. Wouldn’t do the dress thing but would be happy to wear shoes instead of docs sometimes. Nit really any different from asking him to wear a shirt instead of a T-shirt or jumper.

Maelil01 · 09/04/2024 23:02

dirtyblond · 09/04/2024 17:11

High heels are a serious health hazard. They impede your movement, damage your ligaments and risk accidents. No one who cares about you would be pressurising you into these when you clearly dont want to

Yeah. A & Es around the world are FULL of seriously injured high heel wearing women …NOT!

MistyGreenAndBlue · 09/04/2024 23:01

aesopsgables · 09/04/2024 17:15

If you don't want to change the way you dress then don't. He started dating you in the Doc Martens so he can 'prefer' all he likes but who cares.

Also manic pixie dream girl? Why not punk. MPDG is not something to aspire to.

So, it's ok for YOU to tell OP how to dress?

Enko · 09/04/2024 23:00

I am actually with him on the DM I think they look awful. My Dd however adores them and wears them all the time.

So she has DM and I tell her she looks lovely. She knows DM is not my style but its hers and that's her expression.

If you want to meet him somewhere in the middle have a look at DMs more shoe like styles perhaps he would be ok with that?

I don't think you can go to heels after DM ..

dottydaily · 09/04/2024 22:59

I understand your situation,my DP asks me to wear heels,and altough I like the look I am not comfortable wearing them…I admit I do for short periods of time..but I hate when he asks.he always complements my look,but rather heels and tight fitting clothes.we have had arguments about the topic..he does not see it as controlling more a look he likes and thinks it’s okay to suggest what I should wear.its not something he asks day to day just when we having time together as a couple…he would argue it’s making an effort..

CaptainCarrot · 09/04/2024 22:59

I think some PPs are missing the point. It doesn’t matter in the least if they like Doc Martens. The only thing that matters is that the OP likes them. She should ignore her boyfriend’s attempts to change her style.

But beyond the shoe issue is the OP’s troubling notion that she has a duty to wear what he wants because he pays for everything. I really hope that you find some strength and self-respect @cocunutand forget about this guy. He’s not a keeper.

Wackadaywideawake · 09/04/2024 22:59

One day you’ll look back on this relationship as The-One-You-Weren’t-Compatible-With.

i’m totally on board with the ‘earlier different tribes’ comment!

WingingItSince1973 · 09/04/2024 22:57

We have very similar style. Albeit I'm much older. Please don't change. Be yourself and he should love you for that ❤️

Mamanyt · 09/04/2024 22:57

OK, I kinda see his point about Doc Martens in certain settings. Even when I was young, and they were all the rage, there were places that I did NOT wear them. And outfits I did not wear them with. Fortunately for you, the choice is NOT between Doc Martens and high heels. There are a host of very pretty low-heeled or kitten-heeled (1/2") shoes to choose from. They are comfy to walk in. There are even dressy ballet flats out there. Get ONE pair of those in a neutral color, and break them out for "dressy" occasions. Other than that, stick with your beloved Doc Martens. It's a tiny compromise. It isn't a matter of changing who you are, so much as expanding who you can be, just a tiny bit.

Hedgehog23 · 09/04/2024 22:57

So I wouldn’t move to high heels. Not comfortable and doesn’t sound like you.

but are there are any shoes you might like that he might like? Maybe as an occasional change? But I would only do this if you genuinely like them.

I probably would point out that high heels are uncomfortable and can be bad for your feet/back.

fleur89 · 09/04/2024 22:54

No idea what you're talking about. Beige?! Picking myself out in a line up?! What's that got to do with anything? Mum boot??!

RobertaFirmino · 09/04/2024 22:49

I had one like this once. Always moaning on about my trainers. Always Adidas and always clean. I told him to fuck off and married another Adicollector instead.

Trethew · 09/04/2024 22:48

I don’t wear high heels or doc martens. There are plenty of other choices

PyongyangKipperbang · 09/04/2024 22:47

fleur89 · 09/04/2024 22:43

I hate grunge style/DMs/trainers and I hate Oh Polly / short tight dress style. I find both unsophisticated and immature, personally. Sort of thing teenagers wear. I agree with others there is a happy medium. A nice shirt dress from equipment with feminine boots, a midi reformation dress with pumps... something like that.

Good luck picking yourself out in a line up, never mind anyone else. Are they all beige?

How totally lacking in imagination. That is the full "Mum Boot" outfit!

See....you are not the only one who can be nasty Shock

Noicant · 09/04/2024 22:46

My Dh before we got married took me out for meals and holidays which he paid for (I was skint). He never once complained about me wearing flats, I’m not a bloody doll.

BananaLambo · 09/04/2024 22:46

Did he come from 1995 in his Time Machine? Nobody wears heels and tight dresses anymore. You’d look ridiculous. If he’s so keen on them he can wear them himself. That said, this relationship has a sort of trophy girlfriend/sugar daddy vibe to it, so if you want to keep getting the goodies you may have to start wearing the stillies 😂

Viviennemary · 09/04/2024 22:45

I think doc martins are the ugliest things ever. But you shouldn't let yourself be controlled by him.

DetOliviaBenson · 09/04/2024 22:45

fleur89 · 09/04/2024 22:43

I hate grunge style/DMs/trainers and I hate Oh Polly / short tight dress style. I find both unsophisticated and immature, personally. Sort of thing teenagers wear. I agree with others there is a happy medium. A nice shirt dress from equipment with feminine boots, a midi reformation dress with pumps... something like that.

Oh dear, I must be mutton dressed as lamb then. 😂

PyongyangKipperbang · 09/04/2024 22:44

@cocunut As a fellow DM wearer/collector/obsessive I agree that Irregular Choice is a good way to go. They are expensive but.....get your ass on ebay or FB Marketplace. A lot of women buy them for a one off event and then sell them, you can get them for a song. I own several pairs of the Peach Melba shoes and they originally cost £180 I think, the most I paid for a pair (worn once) was £37.

But I say again....only if you want to.

TedMullins · 09/04/2024 22:43

cocunut · 09/04/2024 18:32

These are all very good points. Is it such a bad thing, however, to want the “princess treatment”? I’m not driven by money or by work. I’ve never had a dream job - I’d love to be a mother and live on a farm and look after the house and children. I couldn’t cope with commuting into the city for more money. My career of choice is low paid but something I love. As a ND person this is important to me as I have strong values regarding meaningful and ethical work.
So for me, it’s important to be with someone who can provide nice experiences as I wouldn’t be able to afford them on my own. My question here is really, if he’s providing the experiences would it be reasonable for my duty to be to provide what he wants Re outfits and footwear (within reason!) ?

I really don’t like the sound of this man and I agree with the PP that he sounds like he’s negging you and has some toxic ideas about women. But honestly OP “wanting the princess treatment” or more accurately wanting a man to fund your lifestyle is completely unreasonable not to mention risky - relying on someone else’s money is all well and good when it’s just holidays and meals out, but what about when it’s everything - your house, your spending money? If the relationship goes sour you need to be able to afford to leave.

If you want a certain lifestyle either you aim to provide that for yourself, or you live within your own means. It sounds like you want him to bankroll you indefinitely? Not a great equal dynamic.

Fushia123 · 09/04/2024 22:43

I never wear heels and wear flat sandals, boots and trainers.
Going against the grain here but I have never liked DM boots or shoes.
My husband wears trainers almost everywhere - not trendy ones but those used for running and look like longboats. I really dislike them and bought him some brown suede boots which he won’t wear. Really wish he would - it would show me that he cared about what I think! He could look so lovely and he’s a great other half.
Your post reminded me that I have done a similar thing to what your DP asked of you. I still wish that the trainers would go.

fleur89 · 09/04/2024 22:43

I hate grunge style/DMs/trainers and I hate Oh Polly / short tight dress style. I find both unsophisticated and immature, personally. Sort of thing teenagers wear. I agree with others there is a happy medium. A nice shirt dress from equipment with feminine boots, a midi reformation dress with pumps... something like that.

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fyi I think you should only dress for yourself not a man, and whatever youre comfortable in! Him paying doesn’t mean you owe him pretty. But if its for yourself that’s different. Feminism is about choice, don’t let him dictate yours with his wallet.

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