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DP and arguments over my shoes

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cocunut · 09/04/2024 17:05

Hi MN, hoping for some advice/support here or maybe some of you could point me towards a middle ground for us both!

For context, me and DP of 2 years have quite different styles. I’m early 20s, quite conventionally attractive with a good figure(if I can say so myself!) but I like to dress in a more indie way, think loose jeans or long maxi dresses/skirts if I’m dressing up! This is quite different to what I believe is his “type” who are the instagram model types, short dresses, think Oh Polly and just generally very girly outfits. I’ve always had this particular 80s-indie/manic pixie dream girl style (I was a bit of an emo kid at school!!)

The issue here is my shoes. I’ve recently found out that he HATES my doc martens (which I wear with pretty much everything, and have been since we met), and he’s said he “wishes I wouldn’t ruin a lovely outfit with a pair of trainers or boots”. Basically, he wants me in high heels, short dresses, and just generally to look a bit girlier. I’m a bit hurt because I LOVE those boots and would wear them everywhere, I think they go with everything but he vehemently disagrees.

Before I get absolutely flamed on here, I am a feminist and yes I know I can wear what I want and am well within my rights to tell him to fuck off!! But, he takes me on lovely holidays, out for dinners, day trips - all of which he pays for - and I want to look nice for him. BUT I don’t know where the line is between this and staying true to myself.

I was a bit of an ugly duckling until my late teens so I’m quite insecure - I own several short dresses that I know he’d like but I can’t bring myself to leave the house in them!

I tried browsing for high heels today and I actually almost burst into tears because, although I found some lovely shoes, none of them are ME! Same thing for the short figure hugging dresses, I’d honestly feel so insecure and like everyone was thinking im trying too hard. Plus, I don’t think I could even walk in a pair of stilettos without breaking one or more ankles….

What do I do? Do I just suck it up and buy the heels and dresses and wear them for date nights, then wear what I like to work and out with friends?? Or can I (gently) remind him that my style is part of how I express myself and I’m not willing to change??

Worth noting I am ND and was picked on in school for this and also the way I looked which explains some insecurities.

YABU - suck it up and wear the clothes he likes for date nights
YANBU - stick to my own style and remind him it’s a part of my self expression?

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TammyJones · 10/04/2024 06:41

Molonty · 09/04/2024 17:11

Hes obviously wrong expecting you to dress in a specific way BUT I agree with him about DM. They are such fugly, manly shoes and I never see the appeal of them.

This my view.
I always ware flats for walking and work.
But dressing up and I gave heels.
Love them.
Sadly I'm getting so I can't ware them - various health reasons.

Slightlylostalongtheway · 10/04/2024 06:30

My husband calls my docs my "bitch boots" and I love them, always have. We sound very similar (including ND although not diagnosed until last year when I was in my 40s and my son was going through diagnosis)
If I am dressing up I go for irregular choice boots or shoes.
I understand wanting to dress up for someone else but the way you feel will impact you and your confidence. Rock your style your way

PuddlesPityParty · 10/04/2024 06:27

Ihearyousingingdownthewire · 09/04/2024 20:03

If you’re apparently not his type, ditch him, don’t change yourself to fit him.

What the fuck is happening? Is this what Gen Z think is feminism?!

Why do different generations love to group Gen Z as one? Bet you get upset when people generalise about people your age.

imforeverblowingbuttons · 10/04/2024 06:04

I'd ask him to start wearing heels first and you follow. Why should women have to be uncomfortable for the pleasure of a man.

Is it not enough we have periods, pregnancy , menopause, continuous risk of being raped/sexually assaulted, not being treated equally in society, lower pay.

Just say no.

alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 · 10/04/2024 06:01

StopStartStop · 09/04/2024 22:05

Oh and @StopStartStopdoesn't sound so “strong and so cool” (are you taking the piss?), she sounds like she had a really traumatic time and has a huge amount of experience and wisdom as a result.

Yes, I thought I should have disillusioned the OP myself but gave it a miss. That comment seemed as if it was meant to flatter. It made me wonder if the thread was genuine. 'Strong and so cool' was never me. I just read mumsnet a lot!

Edited

You aren't the only one to have doubts about this thread.

Noyesnoyes · 10/04/2024 05:56

Huh? Of course women still wear lovely dresses and heels. We don’t all come from the dregs.

Why dregs?

Nanaof1 · 10/04/2024 05:48

He can be a very nice guy who pays for a lot of outings etc. and still NOT be your person.

Your styles are totally different, as are your views on this.

Sorry, but you need to keep looking for the person who will think the way you are is awesome and needs no changing.

OnigiriJones · 10/04/2024 05:24

BananaLambo · 09/04/2024 22:46

Did he come from 1995 in his Time Machine? Nobody wears heels and tight dresses anymore. You’d look ridiculous. If he’s so keen on them he can wear them himself. That said, this relationship has a sort of trophy girlfriend/sugar daddy vibe to it, so if you want to keep getting the goodies you may have to start wearing the stillies 😂

Huh? Of course women still wear lovely dresses and heels. We don’t all come from the dregs.

hazeleyednerd · 10/04/2024 04:09

cocunut · 09/04/2024 17:13

Haha you sound like my mum who says the same thing! I appreciate the insight, I’ve never been that confident when it comes to clothes.

Just remember for every person who hates/dislikes the DM. There is an equal number who love them.

I don't wear DM. But I do wear 90% of the time, a pair of black mens workboots. Wore em today while out shopping in a flowy dress. Why? They're comfy, and they make me feel good. And that's the only thing that matters.

Your shoes are your choice. They make you feel good, comfy, confidant. He fell in love with you for who you are. If you start to make changes towards the way he "prefers" women to dress you'll be uncomfortable, and resentment will form.

Stay true to you. Rock that style!

Geppili · 10/04/2024 04:07

LTB

TiredCatLady · 10/04/2024 03:38

I have a similar style to you OP and live in Docs.

I also dated this arsehole at the same point in my life and his abusive behaviour crept in with “oh if you just did x with your hair/wore x…” and insisting he paid for things. We were soooo similar though (until it became apparent that was part of his behaviour to reel me in).

Keep your docs and tread carefully. They’re a lot easier to run away in.

learieonthewildmoor · 10/04/2024 03:36

OP, start practising saying “I like them, I don’t want to hear anymore about it”. Also, “Don’t tell me how to dress”.
I’ve been with one of these for 30 years now. It’s very important that you wear the clothes/style that you like and are comfortable in. His job is to say “You look great”.
After 30 years I sometimes say “Are you wearing those runners?” To remind him how annoying it is when he does it.

SapphireSeptember · 10/04/2024 03:31

I'm a Goth and if any bloke tried to change that I'd tell them to fuck off. Don't actually own any DMs at the moment, ankle boots and sneakers are my thing though. Haven't owned high heels in years. Boyfriend is perfectly happy with my style, and if he wasn't he wouldn't be my boyfriend! My style is what he found attractive about me when he first met me. 😊 He's quite eccentric himself, so we get on well together.

OnigiriJones · 10/04/2024 03:01

cocunut · 09/04/2024 17:27

Omg some of those are amazing! Very ME more than him 😂 thank you

Yikes! They are so not pretty! Turn off actually. Sorry, but I’m with your boyfriend. Nothing wrong with looking elegant in a sensible pair of heels. I would pull my husband up if he started looking sloppy.

OnigiriJones · 10/04/2024 02:59

Tauranga · 09/04/2024 17:12

How old is he? Why does he pay for everything?

My husband pays for absolutely everything and did right from the outset when we first met in 1997. I’m a woman and love being treated as such. He has a deep sense of family and commitment and would never dream of me paying for anything.

Babybelle23 · 10/04/2024 02:49

Also please don’t refer to yourself as a manic pixie dream girl, that term is kinda demeaning and just another bs thing thought up by men x before I met my Dh someone really put me off them by calling me that. Side note I know lol but I hate that term lol

Babybelle23 · 10/04/2024 02:47

If he wants you to wear high heels so much, he can take himself off to Jimmy choo and get you a nice pair. He fell in love with you, stay true to yourself ❤️

SammyScrounge · 10/04/2024 01:48

Molonty · 09/04/2024 17:11

Hes obviously wrong expecting you to dress in a specific way BUT I agree with him about DM. They are such fugly, manly shoes and I never see the appeal of them.

Thank goodness I'm not the only one. DMs or trainers worn with pretty dresses look awful. I'll never get used to it.

WeevilWood · 10/04/2024 01:34

OnlyLoveCanBreakYourHeart · 10/04/2024 01:18

He knew what your style was when he started dating you though?

YANBU for exactly this reason.

Appearance is definitely significant but insisting someone change is weird and a losing battle.

I personally don't find an alternative/indie style on a guy attractive.

You know what? I just don't date guys who have this style.

I can't start dating someone with this style and then say....can you throw away your band T-shirts and converse and take your piercing out and cut your hair as I'm embarrassed! It's his body his choice.

Thinking back to dating in my 20's, it was perfectly possible to meet guys who were up for commitment, good "catches" and happy to take on a more traditional protective dating role (if that's your preference) but didn't need the Daily Mail fitted flattering dress and make-up and wedges look.

Comfortable shoes and warmer clothes so you could have a night out without freezing to death was probably the priority!

In fact, looking at all the young trendies on IG, they all dress quite mismatched and baggy don't they? Even the posh ones.

The overly sexy/bodycon look is a bit like "helloooooo....
2000 wants its dresses back".

As an early 20 something woman you no doubt look absolutely amazing (and can get serious attention) wearing about anything.

A normal mainstream heterosexual man should not be examining your footwear to feel excited by you.

OnlyLoveCanBreakYourHeart · 10/04/2024 01:18

He knew what your style was when he started dating you though?

MistyGreenAndBlue · 10/04/2024 01:14

There has been a lot of kindly meant advice on this thread re compromising and trying more feminine versions of her current style but I feel they are missing the point.

Still, I kind of hope OP takes this advice as then she will hopefully wake up and see what many of us in this thread can see. That he will see this as a capitulation but not far enough - and he will keep pushing (now he has the go ahead) .

Prettier shoes will not be enough. He won't be happy until she goes full "Barbie".

I can almost hear him saying "well it's better, but it's not quite what I meant."

ShoveItUpYourArseMargaret · 10/04/2024 01:04

He basically wants you to look like a hooker 😯 I’d ditch him and find another indie kid instead.

Noyesnoyes · 10/04/2024 01:02

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 10/04/2024 00:32

Before I get absolutely flamed on here, I am a feminist and yes I know I can wear what I want and am well within my rights to tell him to fuck off!! But, he takes me on lovely holidays, out for dinners, day trips - all of which he pays for - and I want to look nice for him.

Oh come on, seriously? How is this thread still standing 😆

True this

Vive42 · 10/04/2024 00:55

Can you imagine saying to him, “your hair just isn’t quite right, it makes you look like a sissy. I want a manly looking man. Can’t you ruffle it up and also don’t shave for a few days. I want to see and feel the stubble.”

Would you? No you wouldn’t would you because you respect that he can choose to present himself to the world as he wishes.

He’s rejecting part of who you are and telling you it doesn’t please him. He’s trying to change you.

There will be another “nice, lovely man” who may even pay for dinners that will love you in your DMs.

Just because this knob has got money you’ve gone all googley-eyed.

It’s like because he pays for diners you’re obliged to dress according to his tastes. Aren’t you selling yourself out? Trading diners for heels and sexing yourself up for him? Bit weird to me. Doesn’t sit right.

Teenagehorrorbag · 10/04/2024 00:39

Totally don't change for him! What you can do is find out what he likes about your current style (e.g. does he love your DMs but hate trainers) and compromise to wear the stuff he does like when you have a special night out?

He fell for you and still loves you for you, so he can't be that bothered. If he hated your look you would never have got together.

Fine to wear 'that blue shirt which I always think looks so great on you' to please him. Not fine to buy stuff you hate. Don't even start down that road.....