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DP and arguments over my shoes

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cocunut · 09/04/2024 17:05

Hi MN, hoping for some advice/support here or maybe some of you could point me towards a middle ground for us both!

For context, me and DP of 2 years have quite different styles. I’m early 20s, quite conventionally attractive with a good figure(if I can say so myself!) but I like to dress in a more indie way, think loose jeans or long maxi dresses/skirts if I’m dressing up! This is quite different to what I believe is his “type” who are the instagram model types, short dresses, think Oh Polly and just generally very girly outfits. I’ve always had this particular 80s-indie/manic pixie dream girl style (I was a bit of an emo kid at school!!)

The issue here is my shoes. I’ve recently found out that he HATES my doc martens (which I wear with pretty much everything, and have been since we met), and he’s said he “wishes I wouldn’t ruin a lovely outfit with a pair of trainers or boots”. Basically, he wants me in high heels, short dresses, and just generally to look a bit girlier. I’m a bit hurt because I LOVE those boots and would wear them everywhere, I think they go with everything but he vehemently disagrees.

Before I get absolutely flamed on here, I am a feminist and yes I know I can wear what I want and am well within my rights to tell him to fuck off!! But, he takes me on lovely holidays, out for dinners, day trips - all of which he pays for - and I want to look nice for him. BUT I don’t know where the line is between this and staying true to myself.

I was a bit of an ugly duckling until my late teens so I’m quite insecure - I own several short dresses that I know he’d like but I can’t bring myself to leave the house in them!

I tried browsing for high heels today and I actually almost burst into tears because, although I found some lovely shoes, none of them are ME! Same thing for the short figure hugging dresses, I’d honestly feel so insecure and like everyone was thinking im trying too hard. Plus, I don’t think I could even walk in a pair of stilettos without breaking one or more ankles….

What do I do? Do I just suck it up and buy the heels and dresses and wear them for date nights, then wear what I like to work and out with friends?? Or can I (gently) remind him that my style is part of how I express myself and I’m not willing to change??

Worth noting I am ND and was picked on in school for this and also the way I looked which explains some insecurities.

YABU - suck it up and wear the clothes he likes for date nights
YANBU - stick to my own style and remind him it’s a part of my self expression?

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VanWeezer · 09/04/2024 18:17

You sound like a younger version of me. I wore trainers rather than DMs. Even the bit about him working full time and me being a student .

He started commenting that I didn't wear enough heels and should wear dresses more. That just wasn't my style. He slowly got more and more controlling too. Really subtle to begin with.

It got worse and he started commenting about weight too. We broke up eventually about others things he wanted to control.

Several years on and with a lovely man who couldn't care what I wear. I actually wear dresses every now and then but when I want to wear them. Nobody tells me too.

Basically what I'm trying to say is don't change. If you love your DMs, keep them and don't change for any man. Find someone who loves you for you. They should respect your choice of style and love you because of it not wanting to change you.

softslicedwhite · 09/04/2024 18:17

You're ND so you're used to feeling like your instincts are all wrong and maybe this is one of those times - it isn't. That niggle you feel is your brain doing the right thing!

frequentlyfrazzled · 09/04/2024 18:17

Taking him out of the equation you actually sound very confident in your own individual style and you know what you like. It does seem that it is your BF's views on your look that are making you question yourself and I don't like the sound of that. He might be doing it subtly but he is making you insecure about something you would otherwise be happy with.
Just read back what you said in your OP - "I tried browsing for high heels today and I actually almost burst into tears because, although I found some lovely shoes, none of them are ME! Same thing for the short figure hugging dresses, I’d honestly feel so insecure and like everyone was thinking im trying too hard"
That is telling you all you need to know. You know who you are, this isn't you and he needs to accept that and stop undermining your self confidence.

CaptainCarrot · 09/04/2024 18:10

First of all, pay your own way. Financial independence is important for women (and men). If you feel that you are in some way in his debt and alter your behaviour for that reason, the relationship is already unequal. Far better to establish an equal footing.

But wear what you like. It's fine for him to prefer certain styles, though he shouldn't dictate what you wear. If you say you like Doc Martens, that should be the end of the matter.

MsLuxLisbon · 09/04/2024 18:10

I wouldn't be happy with him pointing out other women, that would annoy me far more than him just saying he didn't like the docs. I still think that you can have fun and switch up your style, but I would tell him to knock it off on the comparing me to others.

Moveoverdarlin · 09/04/2024 18:10

Yeah I agree with him about the DMs but equally I wouldn’t totter around in stilettos anymore either (I did in my 20s). How about wedges with your long indie dresses, or gold sandals, or those espadrille wedges with ties up the legs that everyone was wearing a few years ago. You haven’t got to dress like a Love Islander but surely you don’t wear DMs when you go on your holidays?

sandyhappypeople · 09/04/2024 18:06

I'm going to go a different way with this and say I think you are projecting and being a bit daft to be honest...

You keep saying 'I think' he wants this, 'I think' he prefers that, but the fact of the matter is you've been dating for two years and you've only just realised he doesn't like the shoes you wear?

You're painting him as some sort of control freak sugar daddy who wants you to dress up like a dolly bird for him, when really the only definitive thing you've said is he wishes I wouldn’t ruin a lovely outfit with a pair of trainers or boots.

In fairness I'd feel the same if my partner got dressed up nicely then put on a pair of trainers too.

It doesn't matter whatever his type is and what his past partners have looked like, he obviously loves you for you, he thinks your outfits are lovely, and hasn't actually asked you to change anything apart from wear some nice shoes with your nice outfits?

Beatrixslobber · 09/04/2024 18:06

cocunut · 09/04/2024 17:50

It’s just silly things that start off as a joke, like about the DMs. That then become serious and have me doubting what I wear. Then annother woman walked past our table in a restaurant and he’ll say things like “see how put together you can look in a nice pair of heels with a dress”. Never directly insulting what I wear, just small things. And if I’m wearing something which I consider a bit “out there” ie not something I’d usually wear at all, he’ll compliment me and say how nice I look! He always says I look nice but it seems to be more when I “dress up” that the compliments start flowing.

Bye bye boyfriend!

Also….
Before I get absolutely flamed on here, I am a feminist and yes I know I can wear what I want and am well within my rights to tell him to fuck off!! But, he takes me on lovely holidays, out for dinners, day trips - all of which he pays for - and I want to look nice for him. BUT I don’t know where the line is between this and staying true to myself.

You are considering changing who you are to fit his vision because he buys dinner? No, fuck you very much.

I had an ex who started nit picking little things about my appearance or style. It started off with preferring natural hair or wearing more fashionable clothes for example, which I comprised on as I felt for the poor man having to be embarrassed by my appearance. It should have been a massive red flag of the massively controlling arse that he later turned out to be.

If one day you think that your style isn’t suitable for whatever situation then look at what else you might like but don’t change for him.

BritishBeatleMania · 09/04/2024 18:04

i haven’t read the full thread, just OP posts. Honestly, you need to be with someone who loves you as you are. If he needs to change you to be happy in the relationship then he’s not the one for you. No amount of holidays and dinners will make up for feeling unhappy in yourself.

Tempnamechng · 09/04/2024 18:03

I like your Docs op. Tell your boyfriends to buy himself a pair of heals and spend a whole day walking around in them, then ask if he still has the same opinion on your Docs. I know so many ladies with absolutely knackered feet due to fashion shoes - Docs are far sexier then heals now, bunions later.

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 09/04/2024 18:02

PaperDoIIs · 09/04/2024 17:56

Oh ignore my previous message. He's negging you and being all gaslighty by pretending to be nice and not directly insulting your style while chip chip chipping at you and your self esteem until you "see the light". It's already working.

Yeah agree, absolutely this sounds nasty and controlling and OP shouldn't consider any type of compromise because it won't end here.

Haydenn · 09/04/2024 18:02

With all kindness, if you weren’t a student and were paying your own way would you be putting up with this from him? I can’t imagine staying with a man who pointed out other women suggesting that they looked better than me in etc. I’m really struggling to see why you put up with this.

Trinity69 · 09/04/2024 18:02

There would be no negotiating on this for me I’m afraid! I’m a jeans, hoodie and trainers girl all day long and if my DP decided he wanted someone who dressed a different way, he’d be welcome to go and find her. I’m older than you though and very much about the comfort. The last time I wore heels it took my feet days to recover. Considered burning the shoes.

SwordToFlamethrower · 09/04/2024 18:02

Saw your update about him using other women to make his point about how "put together" you could look.

From a woman in her late 40s, I'm telling you, he is very bad news.

He is chipping away at your self esteem. This is a tactic that abusive men start with.

He has been love bombing you so you're convinced he is "nice". Now he has started with the control. You might laugh now, but you're not seeing the red flags.

He has started trying to control you by chipping away at your self esteem.

What is he like in an argument? What happens when you say no?

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 09/04/2024 17:57

you wear what you want on your feet !

PaperDoIIs · 09/04/2024 17:56

cocunut · 09/04/2024 17:50

It’s just silly things that start off as a joke, like about the DMs. That then become serious and have me doubting what I wear. Then annother woman walked past our table in a restaurant and he’ll say things like “see how put together you can look in a nice pair of heels with a dress”. Never directly insulting what I wear, just small things. And if I’m wearing something which I consider a bit “out there” ie not something I’d usually wear at all, he’ll compliment me and say how nice I look! He always says I look nice but it seems to be more when I “dress up” that the compliments start flowing.

Oh ignore my previous message. He's negging you and being all gaslighty by pretending to be nice and not directly insulting your style while chip chip chipping at you and your self esteem until you "see the light". It's already working.

DetOliviaBenson · 09/04/2024 17:54

Needapadlockonmyfridge · 09/04/2024 17:53

Ditch the boyfriend.
Wear the DMs.

This!

ichifanny · 09/04/2024 17:54

No way something I’d never ever compromise for anyone is my personal style , to be honest of you feel like this now the gap will only get wider . Post baby is he going to say he doesn’t like you in comfy clothes ?
my husband doesn’t say anything about my clothes , i wear docs etc alternative style too and it’s none of his business .
don’t try change for anyone .

DetOliviaBenson · 09/04/2024 17:54

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 09/04/2024 17:43

I agree that you shouldn't feel you have to dress to please a man.

However if you want to try and please him then you could try and compromise a bit for example you could try a pair of more feminine flats for date nights and formal events. Wears My Money on Instagram often posts about elegant dressy flat shoes if you need inspiration. Don't feel you need to wear heels if you don't like them, they are awful for feet, legs and backs.

The other option would be a pair of heels just for the bedroom but only if you feel comfortable with that idea and he likes the idea.

It depends whether his issue is sexual attraction or more of an image thing.

Absolutely big fat fucking NO to all of this!

SwordToFlamethrower · 09/04/2024 17:53

Does he think that because he has bought all these things, he owns you and has a say on how you dress?

Maybe he thinks if he pay X amount of money on holidays and dinners, it gives him certain rights?

You aren't a vending machine op. Beware the man who behaves like this. They can sometimes be revealed as misogynists.

What happens when you say no to him? Is he still lovely and sweet? Or does he get angry?

SwordToFlamethrower · 09/04/2024 17:53

Does he think that because he has bought all these things, he owns you and has a say on how you dress?

Maybe he thinks if he pay X amount of money on holidays and dinners, it gives him certain rights?

You aren't a vending machine op. Beware the man who behaves like this. They can sometimes be revealed as misogynists.

What happens when you say no to him? Is he still lovely and sweet? Or does he get angry?

Needapadlockonmyfridge · 09/04/2024 17:53

Ditch the boyfriend.
Wear the DMs.

kelsaycobbles · 09/04/2024 17:53

Heels never ever look good

Self harm is never a good look

AlisonDonut · 09/04/2024 17:53

My biggest piece of advice is to get together with a man who actually loves you as you are, not what he can make you into.

DetOliviaBenson · 09/04/2024 17:52

cocunut · 09/04/2024 17:50

It’s just silly things that start off as a joke, like about the DMs. That then become serious and have me doubting what I wear. Then annother woman walked past our table in a restaurant and he’ll say things like “see how put together you can look in a nice pair of heels with a dress”. Never directly insulting what I wear, just small things. And if I’m wearing something which I consider a bit “out there” ie not something I’d usually wear at all, he’ll compliment me and say how nice I look! He always says I look nice but it seems to be more when I “dress up” that the compliments start flowing.

Oh aye, OP! He's negging you! Tell him to fuck off and find someone who appreciates you for who you are. NEVER EVER change yourself for a pathetic man!

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