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To think people shouldn’t have new babies when there’s so many unresolved issues with older kids

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YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:17

Yes it’s very judgy but I actually despair at rate of which some people are having new children when they already have problems with their other children.

I say this because there is a girl in DD’s class (year 6, this girl is 10) that is an absolute nightmare. DD only started her new school in September because we relocated and several other girls warned her about this child. Nevertheless, DD is naive/too nice and befriended her to her detriment. I had to get VERY arsey with the school before they actually did something about the fact this girl was calling DD nasty names every day (ugly, fat etc - DD is actually skinny and this girl is overweight), making fun of the fact DD has learning support, shoving past her hard (she’s much bigger than my DD) but never hurting her badly or obviously enough to raise suspicion from teachers she always does an ‘oops didn’t see you there’ thing, and teaching DD very inappropriate things (for example she taught DD a ‘blow job’ gesture 😡). If DD didn’t one day behave however this 10yo liked - such as didn’t play with her that day - the 10yo, who has a TikTok account, would make TikTok’s about her even naming her (I actually pulled her aside in the playground and told her to stop). I know because I found her and follow her!

I didn’t like to ban DD from being friends with anyone as I think it’s important that they navigate friendships themselves but because my DD is gullible this girl would make her feel like shit for 4 days then be sweetness and light on day 5 and DD would say “Oh no she’s apologised and she is sorry for what she did.” I just thought the situation was too toxic. So I have said to DD that she isn’t to go anywhere near this girl and if I found out she did she’d be punished. The mums of other girls experiencing the exact same with their DDs and this child have said the same to their girls. This 10yo has been the same since infants apparently And has a long rap sheet of bullying, inappropriate behaviour and nastiness.

Anyway this 10yo has an interesting family tree. Her parents (who are fully aware of what she is like because I’ve told them, as have others, as have the teachers) were married and had her and her older sibling. They then split up, the mum met a new man and had a baby who is now 3. She then split with him, had a new baby with an even newer man, this baby is 6 months old. The dad remarried and had another child who is now 6, they divorced and him and his new wife, wife no 3, have just had a baby a few days ago, the dad was showing the baby off in the playground at pick up.

I suppose I’m angry because she shoved past my DD again today in the corridor and hurt her shoulder and I’m fucking sick of all this never ending. I’m here fretting my backside off about my my DD getting picked on and her bully’s parents are just in the business of churning out more and more kids. Surely a half decent parent whose existing children have serious problems would prioritise that rather than just constantly changing partners and popping out more?

DH’s sister did the same but on a different level. She split up with her DH (whom she had 2 kids with) and immediately started dating a colleague. She was pregnant within three months of them dating, they weren’t using protection because it’s a ‘mood killer’. Her existing teen and pre-teen were really hit hard by their parents split and within 4 months they were meeting a new partner and preparing to welcome a half-sibling. My niece, who was a pre-teen when this all happened, is very close to us now as a young adult and the anger she feels at her mum moving on and having family no 2 in less than a year of her splitting with her dad has just about broken her, and they barely have a relationship. She feels her mum never considered her or her sister in her plans post-split and I’d have to agree with her.

AIBU to think people should get their houses in order before they bring new people into their kids lives - partners AND babies? I feel that particularly with DD’s bully it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that a lot of her issues will stem from so many changes and inconsistencies in her life, and it’s people like my DD and the other girls in year 6 paying the price for that.

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YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:52

DragonFly98 · 09/04/2024 16:50

Are you very bored or always this judgmental. Keep your beak out of other people's business.

I’m bored of DD being bullied.
And yes I am judgmental of people who have too many kids with new partners with no thought for their older kids.
We are ALL judgmental of something.

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YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:51

This reply has been deleted

LaVieestBelle meant to start their own thread so we have removed this.

Was your post meant to be in its own thread @LaVieestBelleNestCePas

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DragonFly98 · 09/04/2024 16:50

Are you very bored or always this judgmental. Keep your beak out of other people's business.

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:49

brocollilover · 09/04/2024 16:44

so your solution is to threaten your own daughter with a punishment? unbelievable

Yes. I’ve told her she needs to be serious about staying away from the toxic ‘friendship’ with a girl who bullies her. Not sorry.

And it has worked. Her and her friends have iced this girl out and are happier for it.

I think I’ve probably hit a nerve with you.

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YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:48

brocollilover · 09/04/2024 16:44

Poor DD
bullied at school
bullied at home

What do you think about the actual bully?

Give over with ‘bullied at home’ nonsense. I did what I had to do to make sure DD stayed well away from her.

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LaVieestBelleNestCePas · 09/04/2024 16:48

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LaVieestBelle meant to start their own thread so we have removed this.

ladykale · 09/04/2024 16:47

namechangedtoday2023 · 09/04/2024 16:41

I hope the school manages to get this issue sorted out for your daughter.

Now back to you: You are a nasty piece of work!

No matter what you think of your DDs 'friend', you have no right to brazenly bring her family tree into it. For all you know , the rest of the family may be okay and it may just be this kid.

I know a family with a similar set up and both of their children are lovely and would never dream of bullying someone else.

Also, it sounds like you are blaming the child for their parents' life choices..how exactly does that work?!

It's got naff all to do with you who people choose to have sex with..

Edit: My child is going through a similar thing. Rather than slagging off the parents' whole family, I went around to the house to confront! A lot more productive than starting an unproductive thread!

Edited

It's ridiculous to suggest that there's no correlation between people's family situation and children's behaviour.

Not always but very often!

No one takes responsibility for anything and then people like OP aren't allowed to call it out...

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:47

namechangedtoday2023 · 09/04/2024 16:41

I hope the school manages to get this issue sorted out for your daughter.

Now back to you: You are a nasty piece of work!

No matter what you think of your DDs 'friend', you have no right to brazenly bring her family tree into it. For all you know , the rest of the family may be okay and it may just be this kid.

I know a family with a similar set up and both of their children are lovely and would never dream of bullying someone else.

Also, it sounds like you are blaming the child for their parents' life choices..how exactly does that work?!

It's got naff all to do with you who people choose to have sex with..

Edit: My child is going through a similar thing. Rather than slagging off the parents' whole family, I went around to the house to confront! A lot more productive than starting an unproductive thread!

Edited

Meh I can take that - and yes I will judge when people make bad choices and their kids are adversely affected, and there is a knock-on effect.

Im sure many families are very happy but those who think that constantly knocking out new babies has no consequences on older children are deluded.

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Teentaxidriver · 09/04/2024 16:46

You are going to get flamed but you are also right. In some instances, there is a correlation between having a large number of siblings and academic underachievement.

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:45

softslicedwhite · 09/04/2024 16:35

None of that has anything to do with you, at all.

Except she is basically taking out her chaotic lifestyle on my DD. I know kids can’t pick their families but I always find bullies are from the families that are the chaotic ones who clearly don’t prioritise them

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brocollilover · 09/04/2024 16:44

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:43

So I should just sit and allow my DD to be bullied should I?

so your solution is to threaten your own daughter with a punishment? unbelievable

brocollilover · 09/04/2024 16:44

Poor DD
bullied at school
bullied at home

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:43

brocollilover · 09/04/2024 16:32

and said she’d punish her own daughter if she finds out her daughter has had anything to do with the girl!

So I should just sit and allow my DD to be bullied should I?

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YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:42

Crazycatlady79 · 09/04/2024 16:31

You pulled the bully aside and had a word with her?! Or, did I misunderstand?

Absolutely I did.

She made a TikTok video where she was miming to Meredith Brooke’s “I’m a bitch” and the words on screen “Name someone who should sing this” then underneath that “My answer: <DD’s full name>

I do not have my DC names, images or any details that they even exist on any SM channels for very good reasons, they don’t even have permission for school to use their photos anywhere. So yes I had absolutely no issue stopping her to tell her to stop making TikTok videos about people and grow up.

I reported her account for being underage - it’s still up!

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namechangedtoday2023 · 09/04/2024 16:41

I hope the school manages to get this issue sorted out for your daughter.

Now back to you: You are a nasty piece of work!

No matter what you think of your DDs 'friend', you have no right to brazenly bring her family tree into it. For all you know , the rest of the family may be okay and it may just be this kid.

I know a family with a similar set up and both of their children are lovely and would never dream of bullying someone else.

Also, it sounds like you are blaming the child for their parents' life choices..how exactly does that work?!

It's got naff all to do with you who people choose to have sex with..

Edit: My child is going through a similar thing. Rather than slagging off the parents' whole family, I went around to the house to confront! A lot more productive than starting an unproductive thread!

ladykale · 09/04/2024 16:39

softslicedwhite · 09/04/2024 16:35

None of that has anything to do with you, at all.

We all have to deal with the consequences of crappy parenting and people churning out babies they can't actually look after properly...

Why shouldn't OP call it out

ClairemacL · 09/04/2024 16:39

This is one of those things everyone thinks but nobody says lol

DrJoanAllenby · 09/04/2024 16:37

Some bad my behaved children come from families who churn them out for the perks of the benefit system.

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:35

brocollilover · 09/04/2024 16:28

by punishing your daughter

im curious what would the punishment have been?

Have you not read the OP properly?

Id 100% she rather be pissed off at me for being so extreme than have to experience bullying constantly at school. I’m willing to take the hit.

Punishment would have been getting banned from PlayStation or having her iPad taken off her or similar or from a day out with friends

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softslicedwhite · 09/04/2024 16:35

None of that has anything to do with you, at all.

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:34

Wordsmithery · 09/04/2024 16:27

Well the girl in question is paying the biggest price, not the other kids at school, right? I mean, she has to go home at the end of the day and live with her parents' latest partners, and deal with a lot of change in her life, plus she has no friends. Although she is causing you horrible worry with your DD, she is also deserving of sympathy. Sounds like she's a victim of circumstance, and she'll carry her difficult childhood through her adult life.
(To answer your original question, though, yes her parents should not be having more kids. Of course.)

I did feel sorry for her at first as I could see she had an inconsistent life but when your child comes home crying way more than is normal, sympathy tends to abate.

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YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:33

vodkaredbullgirl · 09/04/2024 16:23

Judgy yes, what are the school doing about the bullying?

Not nearly as much as they should be doing.

It started with an ‘all class chat’ which is literally a waste of breath as every child sitting there thinks it must be about someone else.

They then after much badgering spoke to this child who cried and made herself out to be a victim. It stopped though, for a few days and started again, but became worse - calling my DD the ‘r’ word because she greets learning supporting. At which point I insisted they do more than just chat to her. So they ‘had another chat’ (!), and took away one playtime.

It was only after me and 3 other mums then complained to Ofsted and the governors that they actually took steps to divide this girl from the others and got her parents involved. we informed the school that we had banned our DDs from speaking to their bully, a stance which the school supported.

This was a few weeks before half term, and from what I can tell they haven’t spoken to her since but it hasn’t stopped her from giving them the evils from across the classroom all day.

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brocollilover · 09/04/2024 16:32

Crazycatlady79 · 09/04/2024 16:31

You pulled the bully aside and had a word with her?! Or, did I misunderstand?

and said she’d punish her own daughter if she finds out her daughter has had anything to do with the girl!

beAsensible1 · 09/04/2024 16:31

No one likes to say it but of course not. It’s such ridiculous behaviour. So many feel the need because partners feel threatened by the previous children or they use it to cement the relationship.

its like everyone is in competition with ex partners or even themselves.

unfortunately when you have young children your needs as a parent often come second, that includes having a new baby. But all children are expected to be grateful for new babies (which include new families) anything is else is being spoiled.

even when they’re dealing with the grief of family breakdown a new baby means it should be fine now….

Crazycatlady79 · 09/04/2024 16:31

You pulled the bully aside and had a word with her?! Or, did I misunderstand?

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