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To think people shouldn’t have new babies when there’s so many unresolved issues with older kids

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YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 16:17

Yes it’s very judgy but I actually despair at rate of which some people are having new children when they already have problems with their other children.

I say this because there is a girl in DD’s class (year 6, this girl is 10) that is an absolute nightmare. DD only started her new school in September because we relocated and several other girls warned her about this child. Nevertheless, DD is naive/too nice and befriended her to her detriment. I had to get VERY arsey with the school before they actually did something about the fact this girl was calling DD nasty names every day (ugly, fat etc - DD is actually skinny and this girl is overweight), making fun of the fact DD has learning support, shoving past her hard (she’s much bigger than my DD) but never hurting her badly or obviously enough to raise suspicion from teachers she always does an ‘oops didn’t see you there’ thing, and teaching DD very inappropriate things (for example she taught DD a ‘blow job’ gesture 😡). If DD didn’t one day behave however this 10yo liked - such as didn’t play with her that day - the 10yo, who has a TikTok account, would make TikTok’s about her even naming her (I actually pulled her aside in the playground and told her to stop). I know because I found her and follow her!

I didn’t like to ban DD from being friends with anyone as I think it’s important that they navigate friendships themselves but because my DD is gullible this girl would make her feel like shit for 4 days then be sweetness and light on day 5 and DD would say “Oh no she’s apologised and she is sorry for what she did.” I just thought the situation was too toxic. So I have said to DD that she isn’t to go anywhere near this girl and if I found out she did she’d be punished. The mums of other girls experiencing the exact same with their DDs and this child have said the same to their girls. This 10yo has been the same since infants apparently And has a long rap sheet of bullying, inappropriate behaviour and nastiness.

Anyway this 10yo has an interesting family tree. Her parents (who are fully aware of what she is like because I’ve told them, as have others, as have the teachers) were married and had her and her older sibling. They then split up, the mum met a new man and had a baby who is now 3. She then split with him, had a new baby with an even newer man, this baby is 6 months old. The dad remarried and had another child who is now 6, they divorced and him and his new wife, wife no 3, have just had a baby a few days ago, the dad was showing the baby off in the playground at pick up.

I suppose I’m angry because she shoved past my DD again today in the corridor and hurt her shoulder and I’m fucking sick of all this never ending. I’m here fretting my backside off about my my DD getting picked on and her bully’s parents are just in the business of churning out more and more kids. Surely a half decent parent whose existing children have serious problems would prioritise that rather than just constantly changing partners and popping out more?

DH’s sister did the same but on a different level. She split up with her DH (whom she had 2 kids with) and immediately started dating a colleague. She was pregnant within three months of them dating, they weren’t using protection because it’s a ‘mood killer’. Her existing teen and pre-teen were really hit hard by their parents split and within 4 months they were meeting a new partner and preparing to welcome a half-sibling. My niece, who was a pre-teen when this all happened, is very close to us now as a young adult and the anger she feels at her mum moving on and having family no 2 in less than a year of her splitting with her dad has just about broken her, and they barely have a relationship. She feels her mum never considered her or her sister in her plans post-split and I’d have to agree with her.

AIBU to think people should get their houses in order before they bring new people into their kids lives - partners AND babies? I feel that particularly with DD’s bully it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that a lot of her issues will stem from so many changes and inconsistencies in her life, and it’s people like my DD and the other girls in year 6 paying the price for that.

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Lifecanbebeautiful12 · 09/04/2024 23:02

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 22:49

See I disagree and I think professing that no child is bad is dangerous. You do get horrible 10yo’s. Of course you do. It’s rarely (or never) their fault but frankly, why she’s a bad person is not my problem.

Why don’t you push the school to help her with her obvious emotional difficulties?

Because at this stage I don’t give a fuck. I just want her to stop bullying my l girl. I only have so much in the tank to give and it 100% goes to my DC. I have no desire of Will to pour energy that is needed elsewhere into kids I don’t give a fuck about. I can’t solve everyone’s problems especially when the people closest to them aren’t interested.

I really hope you don’t have kids. Seriously. Saying that taking affirmative action against my DD’s bully - the one who makes her feel like shit, makes her cry, calls her fat, ugly and a r*tard, physically pushes her about then gaslights her into thinking they’re friend - is ‘bullying the child’ is fucking nuts. Parents like you are dangerous. And are normally the ones who end up letting their kids down because they never prioritise them.

I mean is that what you’d really do if you have a child who was getting bullied? Sit back and prioritise the feelings of the bully? Put your own DC’s needs second? If so shame on you.

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I do have kids and I’m mature enough to understand that a 10 year old girl who is acting that way is doing so as a response to her home life. Of course I would prioritise my daughter in this situation and I’m not suggesting you prioritise this other girl over your own child - I’m suggesting that you stop making this emotionally troubled girls life worse than it already is. They are not mutually exclusive things. I’m suggesting you be an adult, a mother with empathy, a human being with a heart. You can protect your daughter from bullying without in turn bullying the child yourself. Don’t you see that it makes you worse? She is 10, her brain isn’t even developed properly. You’re a grown adult with children of your own. You understand life, you understand rights and wrongs. And what exactly are you teaching your daughter? I would always be empathetic and protective to any child, as I would hope another mother would be to mine. But clearly you are not that kind of person so everybody’s words are wasted you.

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 22:55

ThinWomansBrain · 09/04/2024 22:54

yes, they should try getting a second hand one instead of another new one.

Wrong thread? Or are you advocating getting babies on Vinted 😆

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ThinWomansBrain · 09/04/2024 22:54

yes, they should try getting a second hand one instead of another new one.

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 22:54

JustBeach · 09/04/2024 22:44

Absolutely. I would want to know and I would come down hard. I have a child that’s been bullied, I get it. We ended up moving schools because of it. “Coming down hard is for the parents and the school to do though and not another parent. I stand by that.

See I don’t believe you. Parents of bullies always say they will go nuts at them if they bullied anyone, but they never do.

The thought of someone challenging your DC for making a bullying TikTok video is what you first mentioned would make you ‘hit the roof’ - that says it all. If my DC did that I’d 100% tell them they deserved to be called out on it, cyber bullying is not OK and they’re lucky the consequences were only being ticked off by a parent. I’d then apologise profusely to the parent and child and make them do the same. Not ‘hit the roof’ because and adult dared challenge my precious bully

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YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 22:49

Lifecanbebeautiful12 · 09/04/2024 22:40

Firstly, yes I agree that this child’s home life sounds awful and as though her parents do not prioritise her

Secondly, you sound like a terrible person. This is a 10 year old girl who, as you pointed out, has 2 parents who are bringing new partners and siblings left right and centre into her life. She is 10. 10 year olds are not bad people. She is acting out because her home life is so chaotic. And you are bullying her by going to ofsted, pushing the school to remove her, threatening your daughter not to go near her?! Why don’t you push the school to help her with her obvious emotional difficulties? Shame on you!

See I disagree and I think professing that no child is bad is dangerous. You do get horrible 10yo’s. Of course you do. It’s rarely (or never) their fault but frankly, why she’s a bad person is not my problem.

Why don’t you push the school to help her with her obvious emotional difficulties?

Because at this stage I don’t give a fuck. I just want her to stop bullying my l girl. I only have so much in the tank to give and it 100% goes to my DC. I have no desire of Will to pour energy that is needed elsewhere into kids I don’t give a fuck about. I can’t solve everyone’s problems especially when the people closest to them aren’t interested.

I really hope you don’t have kids. Seriously. Saying that taking affirmative action against my DD’s bully - the one who makes her feel like shit, makes her cry, calls her fat, ugly and a r*tard, physically pushes her about then gaslights her into thinking they’re friend - is ‘bullying the child’ is fucking nuts. Parents like you are dangerous. And are normally the ones who end up letting their kids down because they never prioritise them.

I mean is that what you’d really do if you have a child who was getting bullied? Sit back and prioritise the feelings of the bully? Put your own DC’s needs second? If so shame on you.

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JustBeach · 09/04/2024 22:44

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 22:38

would hit the roof if someone did this to my child.

And this, ladies and gentlemen is why kids get away with bullying. Parents thinking their little Prince or Princess can call other kids fat ugly and r*tard but NO ONE must EVER speak to them about it.

Wouldnt you ‘hit the roof’ to find out your child was a bully?

Absolutely. I would want to know and I would come down hard. I have a child that’s been bullied, I get it. We ended up moving schools because of it. “Coming down hard is for the parents and the school to do though and not another parent. I stand by that.

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 22:42

Anonymous2025 · 09/04/2024 22:32

Well to start with you clearly mind everyone’s business . You don’t know if that kids had underlying issues as not being neurotypical . You worry about what effect it creates for your child but you did not do anything regarding the sexual stuff she knew about ?
Sorry but your post comes across as very self centred .
That bully is outwardly crying for help , want to be a good person , get on the phone with school and SS

I couldn’t give a fuck if they aren’t NT, they have been making my child’s life hell. Frankly that’s not my problem.

im fed up of this tripe - some people are just dicks you know

And knowing what siblings a child has is hardly poking a nose into someone’s business.

Why do you think I didn’t do anything regarding the sexual stuff? Seriously are you just not reading posts properly.

Sorry but your post comes across as very self centred

What on earth do you think I’m getting out of any of this?! I centre my DD.

That bully is outwardly crying for help , want to be a good person , get on the phone with school and SS

Are you mad? I’ve told the school but I’m not going to advocate for this bully and insist they make her life better. Not my circus not my monkeys. The school can contact SS. I’m only interested in her leaving my DD alone

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MumblesParty · 09/04/2024 22:41

Sadly OP shit parents like to have lots of kids, preferably one with each new partner. It’s crazy.

Lifecanbebeautiful12 · 09/04/2024 22:40

Firstly, yes I agree that this child’s home life sounds awful and as though her parents do not prioritise her

Secondly, you sound like a terrible person. This is a 10 year old girl who, as you pointed out, has 2 parents who are bringing new partners and siblings left right and centre into her life. She is 10. 10 year olds are not bad people. She is acting out because her home life is so chaotic. And you are bullying her by going to ofsted, pushing the school to remove her, threatening your daughter not to go near her?! Why don’t you push the school to help her with her obvious emotional difficulties? Shame on you!

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 22:39

JPGR · 09/04/2024 22:10

Yes who is the bully here?

The child

What would you do?

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YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 22:38

JustBeach · 09/04/2024 21:55

This- I would hit the roof if someone did this to my child. It needs to be taken up with the school/parents not the child! Unbelievable! It's actually in the behaviour "Parent/Carer Code of Conduct" at our school that parents aren't to approach other people's children to chastise them, this can be seen as assault against a child and have legal consequences.

would hit the roof if someone did this to my child.

And this, ladies and gentlemen is why kids get away with bullying. Parents thinking their little Prince or Princess can call other kids fat ugly and r*tard but NO ONE must EVER speak to them about it.

Wouldnt you ‘hit the roof’ to find out your child was a bully?

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Anonymous2025 · 09/04/2024 22:32

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 21:05

What are the ‘massive issues’ you think I have?

Because I originate from this area, and know lots of people and have made new friends fast (we actually moved here in July)

Well to start with you clearly mind everyone’s business . You don’t know if that kids had underlying issues as not being neurotypical . You worry about what effect it creates for your child but you did not do anything regarding the sexual stuff she knew about ?
Sorry but your post comes across as very self centred .
That bully is outwardly crying for help , want to be a good person , get on the phone with school and SS

HiddenLaundry · 09/04/2024 22:20

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 21:07

….🤨

Speak for yourself. My DD is not a Guinea pig nor is she collateral damage for me to balls up parenting just so I can get it right with DC2.

I think that’s the weirdest thing I’ve ever read on MN and that’s saying something.

I thought that poster was joking.

Surely?!

JPGR · 09/04/2024 22:10

brocollilover · 09/04/2024 16:20

So I have said to DD that she isn’t to go anywhere near this girl and if I found out she did she’d be punished

wtaf

Yes who is the bully here?

JustBeach · 09/04/2024 21:55

Crazycatlady79 · 09/04/2024 16:31

You pulled the bully aside and had a word with her?! Or, did I misunderstand?

This- I would hit the roof if someone did this to my child. It needs to be taken up with the school/parents not the child! Unbelievable! It's actually in the behaviour "Parent/Carer Code of Conduct" at our school that parents aren't to approach other people's children to chastise them, this can be seen as assault against a child and have legal consequences.

Livelovebehappy · 09/04/2024 21:47

brocollilover · 09/04/2024 16:23

i do

and you seem to bully your own daughter

threatening her with a punishment if she goes near this girl

who needs enemies when you have a mother throwing down threats like that

Behave. Op isn’t bullying her dd, she is teaching her to have boundaries. Her dd is too young to see this girl for what she is, so is having to step in to protect her. What would you suggest? Leaves her dd to be manipulated by someone who has serious issues, which could end very badly for her dd? Tbh, if it wasn’t for the fact they’re in year 6 and so leaving for secondary school soon, I would have actually removed my daughter in that situation. Op is being proactive. Just because your parenting might differ, doesn’t mean what the op is doing is wrong.

Bridgetta · 09/04/2024 21:25

I mean you aren’t wrong but this is a chaotic household and their poor decision-making will have generational effects sadly

ABirdsEyeView · 09/04/2024 21:21

OP's priority is her own child. You can feel sorry for the bully in a theoretical sense because her family is so disordered, but when push comes to shove, sympathy wanes pretty quickly when your own child is suffering and no one in the position to act seems to give a shit.

Posters have said this is nothing to do with OP - I disagree. Anything which affects her child's wellbeing is her business. And these selfish, irresponsible parents have made their family tree the OP's concern, when they failed to care for or parent their own child effectively and instead, just kept popping out new babies with different partners!

OP I would elevate my complaint if school aren't all over this tomorrow - they have a duty to keep your child safe and they are failing in this regard.

No one who has a very needy child that they cannot cope with, has any business having more children!

Papyrophile · 09/04/2024 21:20

Icannoteven · 09/04/2024 21:05

I dunno, I like to think of my first child as the practise child. The Guinea pig. Whatever we screw up with her we will fix with the next one. First borns are always going to be a bit screwy - most of us aren’t responsible adults until we have already cared for a tiny person a while IMHO.

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Maybe, if you are very young when you have your first, that might be an excuse for shit parenting. But I waited until I was 42 and financially sound before I had a child. I wasn't infertile, I terminated twice because (a) a relationship was too new and (b) I was uncertain of the relationship. By the time, I was in a stable relationship and we were ready to be parents, we were lucky to conceive quickly. Baby was wanted, welcomed and has been cherished every inch of the way. No practise runs here. That strikes me (personal opinion) as horrific @Icannoteven .

Dweetfidilove · 09/04/2024 21:11

YANBU , OP.

Some parents are absolute disasters and leave a trail of wreckage behind them.

Stay on the school until they sort this out, and tell them unless they do, you’ll take it up with the parents.

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 21:07

Icannoteven · 09/04/2024 21:05

I dunno, I like to think of my first child as the practise child. The Guinea pig. Whatever we screw up with her we will fix with the next one. First borns are always going to be a bit screwy - most of us aren’t responsible adults until we have already cared for a tiny person a while IMHO.

Edited

….🤨

Speak for yourself. My DD is not a Guinea pig nor is she collateral damage for me to balls up parenting just so I can get it right with DC2.

I think that’s the weirdest thing I’ve ever read on MN and that’s saying something.

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MrsJellybee · 09/04/2024 21:06

Many, many people are not mature enough to be parents. Ever.

Many people who become parents are in fact still mentally children themselves in adult bodies. They see children as accessories or ‘new toys’. They ‘upgrade’ to a ‘new baby’ like they do their phones. No one comes up to you in the street to comment on your 14-year-old. They will comment on your 14-day-old though! Shiny new baby means more ‘look at me’.

This ‘bully’ is a victim of such parents who were likely a victim of such parents. And unless she develops some self-awareness, she herself will inflict this on the next generation. It’s sad. It is what it is. Keep complaining about this girl’s behaviour if she bullies your daughter, but the reasons why she is like she is, is complex and inter-generational.

YaMuvva · 09/04/2024 21:05

Anonymous2025 · 09/04/2024 21:04

Yes lots of people rush to have babies but how on earth don you know that much if you just moved into the area ? I think you have massive issues too !

What are the ‘massive issues’ you think I have?

Because I originate from this area, and know lots of people and have made new friends fast (we actually moved here in July)

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Icannoteven · 09/04/2024 21:05

I dunno, I like to think of my first child as the practise child. The Guinea pig. Whatever we screw up with her we will fix with the next one. First borns are always going to be a bit screwy - most of us aren’t responsible adults until we have already cared for a tiny person a while IMHO.

Anonymous2025 · 09/04/2024 21:04

Yes lots of people rush to have babies but how on earth don you know that much if you just moved into the area ? I think you have massive issues too !

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