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Different surname for full-siblings

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Bananabreadandstrawberries · 09/04/2024 14:26

Should full-siblings have the same surname,

DH and I have 1 baby boy, who we have given a double barrelled surname (with mine first, in the spur of the moment DH said he didn’t mind whose name went first). I have not changed my surname, we are married.

Since then DH has had some regrets about this and wants children to have his name only or his name first.

I am now pregnant again. DH has said “ah second. Child can have my name!” Joking - not - joking.

What would you ladies do? I want to be fair, but think it would be odd for siblings with same parents or have different surnames?

IABU: Husbands name for next child (or DH-my surname).
IANBU: Same surname for full siblings

OP posts:
Mumoftwo1312 · 09/04/2024 18:52

2024theplot · 09/04/2024 16:57

I'm in my very early 30s, we had electronic registers when I was in high school and university, although I'm not sure what the software was, I was still placed alphabetically based on the second half of my surname. Younger family members were in school much more recently than me and they had the same.
Now professionally I get called Miss Secondhalfofsurname regularly but have never been called Miss Firsthalfofsurname.

I wonder if your parents filled in the registration forms incorrectly if this happened to you and your siblings.

I've worked in schools for over 10y and taught lots of double barrelled kids and it's always listed by the first surname as the whole double barrel is in one field.

SoupChicken · 09/04/2024 18:45

Well you’re the one who has to give birth so why shouldn’t your name come first?

Everydayimhuffling · 09/04/2024 17:51

@Ozanj I've never had an issue in 30 years of travelling fairly widely. Where have you had that problem?
@tarheelbaby titles and surnames aren't the same. All of those people also have surnames (Windsor in the royal family's case).

stickygotstuck · 09/04/2024 17:08

Ozanj · 09/04/2024 17:00

Hyphenated names are pains for passport and visa purposes. Some countries don’t even recognise them and so you need to provide all kinds of evidence on top. I’d personally change both children’s surnames to a single one - either yours or your husband’s.

Erm... quite incorrect.

How on earth does 'a country' get to decide to 'recognise' or not someone's name? My name is my name and 'Gambia' or 'Canada' doesn't get a say in it.

What tends to happen is, you take the hyphen off and put both surnames together in the box, with or without a space.

Also, there are numerous countries where two surnames (no hyphen) is the norm.

Everydayimhuffling · 09/04/2024 17:07

My paternal grandparents suggested the same thing for me (second child). I'm really glad my mum said no and gave me the same double barrelled name as my sibling.

2024theplot · 09/04/2024 17:04

Ozanj · 09/04/2024 17:00

Hyphenated names are pains for passport and visa purposes. Some countries don’t even recognise them and so you need to provide all kinds of evidence on top. I’d personally change both children’s surnames to a single one - either yours or your husband’s.

Where have you had issues with this? And what extra evidence have you had to provide?
I've never experienced this but have only been to Europe and a handful of places outside of Europe.

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 09/04/2024 17:02

Bananabreadandstrawberries · 09/04/2024 14:31

That’s what I said today!

He said baby 1 is a “OP name”, baby 2 should be a“DH name”.

I don’t want him to feel let down by this. Is it a bit emasculating for a man to have children with this surname order?

We are both professionals where we are known/published by our names, so we aren’t changing our own.

Couldn’t give a shit if it’s emasculating. My child has my surname because I gave birth, I think that trumps macho shite!

Ozanj · 09/04/2024 17:00

Hyphenated names are pains for passport and visa purposes. Some countries don’t even recognise them and so you need to provide all kinds of evidence on top. I’d personally change both children’s surnames to a single one - either yours or your husband’s.

2024theplot · 09/04/2024 16:57

Mumoftwo1312 · 09/04/2024 16:48

I'm not sure how old you are so apologies if I'm way off but I think what I'm describing dates from the use of software like SIMS in schools. Spreadsheet style. The whole double barrel name goes into one cell, so when it sorts alphabetically it lists you with your first surname.

Previously, lists were a bit more manual (physical filing cabinets etc) so they might have done what you describe. Schools are often tech laggards so even as recent as 15y ago many schools had clunky systems.

Edited

I'm in my very early 30s, we had electronic registers when I was in high school and university, although I'm not sure what the software was, I was still placed alphabetically based on the second half of my surname. Younger family members were in school much more recently than me and they had the same.
Now professionally I get called Miss Secondhalfofsurname regularly but have never been called Miss Firsthalfofsurname.

Boomer55 · 09/04/2024 16:49

I would keep the same surnames.

Mumoftwo1312 · 09/04/2024 16:48

2024theplot · 09/04/2024 16:09

That's interesting, completely the opposite of my experience in school and since then. All my schools, university etc put me on the register based on the second half of my hyphenated surname. I've never once had anyone drop the second part of my surname.
With initials, it's always both or just the last one.

I'm not sure how old you are so apologies if I'm way off but I think what I'm describing dates from the use of software like SIMS in schools. Spreadsheet style. The whole double barrel name goes into one cell, so when it sorts alphabetically it lists you with your first surname.

Previously, lists were a bit more manual (physical filing cabinets etc) so they might have done what you describe. Schools are often tech laggards so even as recent as 15y ago many schools had clunky systems.

momtoboys · 09/04/2024 16:24

@crbear - thank you for the information. That is the way I would have thought it would be but wondered if I was out of touch.

SpringLobelia · 09/04/2024 16:11

dementedpixie · 09/04/2024 14:28

Same surname
His name is included so why is he complaining?

this with bells on.

2024theplot · 09/04/2024 16:09

Mumoftwo1312 · 09/04/2024 15:02

It's not true that people drop the first name out of a double barrel, particularly if hyphenated so can't be confused with a middle name. On school registers (for example) they'll be listed from the first one.

Eg if she's Anna Adams-Jones she'll be listed under A not J.

My kids are mumsname-dadsname. My dd has the same name as another girl in the class and they call her Anna A [first surname initial] not Anna J. I was expecting Anna A-J

So it's more like the second name is almost dropped.

That's interesting, completely the opposite of my experience in school and since then. All my schools, university etc put me on the register based on the second half of my hyphenated surname. I've never once had anyone drop the second part of my surname.
With initials, it's always both or just the last one.

HoppingPavlova · 09/04/2024 16:06

Wow interesting, how did you pick their name? Was it an amalgamation, or an old family name

We took letters from both names and just made a completely new (very cool) one😁. We just thought DH’s name was his, my name was mine so they needed something that was theirs.

Edited to add that at the time DH’s father was ropable and carried on about ‘that’s the end of the line for this family’ and so on. He didn’t seem to be able to grasp that his bloodline still existed (as weird as that concept is), it didn’t cease. We didn’t care a jot as he was a silly old fart.

Concannon88 · 09/04/2024 15:38

Seems so odd that he was so meh the first time round, but now apparently its emasculating to not be first 🙄 what a turn off

whatsappdoc · 09/04/2024 15:36

Just ignore him. Or give him the option of either same surname as older sibling or just your surname. Anyway I always think the mother should have the deciding vote after doing all the hard work.

tarheelbaby · 09/04/2024 15:36

It's not exactly relevant but you might like to consider that members of the peerage in the same family often don't have the same surname since this is derived from titles. So a father, first son and other sons might all have different surnames from each other. Also, when the senior ranking man dies, the surviving men move up a title and thus change their surnames. Google Duke of Marlborough for examples.

You can see this a little in the current royal family. When William was a child and before he married his surname was Wales since that was his father's title. When he first married he was made Duke of Cambridge and thus was 'Mr Cambridge'. I believe that George, Charlotte and Louis use Cambridge still as their surname but now that William is PoW, his surname is actually Wales. Charles' surname now is effectively England. Reportedly, when she was a small girl, the late queen referred to her grandfather as 'Grandpa England'.

Allshallbewell2021 · 09/04/2024 15:35

Has to be the same! Madness otherwise

Bananabreadandstrawberries · 09/04/2024 15:34

HoppingPavlova · 09/04/2024 15:33

Every family is different and this won’t apply to all, but for ours this was really important to our kids. They are all biologically ours but don’t have either DH or my surnames but they all have the same surname (that they love and is really important to them as it is ‘theirs’). Even as adults the feedback was that they were genuinely fine with it as kids and loved it but the important part was they all had the same name, like a tribe I guess? As I said, was the case for my kids but won’t necessarily apply across all families I guess.

Wow interesting, how did you pick their name? Was it an amalgamation, or an old family name?

OP posts:
Bananabreadandstrawberries · 09/04/2024 15:33

Lifeinlists · 09/04/2024 15:28

Though I should stick to your guns OP and keep the same name as DC1.

Thank you 🙏

OP posts:
HoppingPavlova · 09/04/2024 15:33

Every family is different and this won’t apply to all, but for ours this was really important to our kids. They are all biologically ours but don’t have either DH or my surnames but they all have the same surname (that they love and is really important to them as it is ‘theirs’). Even as adults the feedback was that they were genuinely fine with it as kids and loved it but the important part was they all had the same name, like a tribe I guess? As I said, was the case for my kids but won’t necessarily apply across all families I guess.

Nicebloomers · 09/04/2024 15:31

ChristmasFluff · 09/04/2024 14:51

DH could always change his name to be the same as theirs if it bothers him that much?

This 👍🏻

Lifeinlists · 09/04/2024 15:28

Though I should stick to your guns OP and keep the same name as DC1.

QuiltedHippo · 09/04/2024 15:28

Hes being daft. We're female-male also short-long which flows better. Sometimes things like doctors prescriptions are under F and sometimes M, but no definitive which one gets used/dropped more.