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OP posts:
gingercat02 · 08/04/2024 18:38

Isseywith3witchycats · 08/04/2024 17:19

right so im 67 still working and pay tax and i had to wait an extra six years to get my pension took 12 months off work three times in my life when i had my children so i think i have bloody well earned my pension so you can sod off

Quite right!

CloudyYellow · 08/04/2024 18:38

ShyMaryEllen · 08/04/2024 18:18

That made me actually laugh out loud 😂. Couldn't have said it better myself.

😂😂 honestly this poster is right up there and not in a good way. Vile post.

ghostyslovesheets · 08/04/2024 18:36

GoodnightAdeline · 08/04/2024 18:33

Some of these posts are truly ridiculous now. Why are you so scared of discussing it in a rational way? Why resort to pure hyperbole?

Happy to discuss it in a rational way -you start.

All you've posted, repeatedly is ;wah wah wah we can't afford it, it's too expensive' nothing else.

Why not start with your ideas for a solution? What do you think would be a better option (rather than just 'wah wah it's soooooo expensive' and you might GET a rational debate - so off you go...

Anonymouseposter · 08/04/2024 18:36

SherrieElmer · 08/04/2024 18:22

Boomers had the privilege of living during a time with unprecedented economic growth. They had plenty of opportunity to make preparations for their retirement. It is insulting to demand now from the younger generations to bail out these individuals when we are in the middle of a devastating cost of living crisis with unemployment going through the roof.
And to add insult to injury we still have to tolerate their condescending comments yelled out from the top of their ivory towers calling us workshy, snowflakes and all that bollocks.
Common sense went out the window a long time ago and as consequence generational confrontation is brewing. The situation is unsustainable and something has to give in. This will not end well.

This is an insulting post. AS a boomer, born 1952 I have never called anyone a workshy snowflake. You make a lot of generalisations. I personally have a moderate pension from the NHS in addition to the state pension and I know that, in many ways i am one of a fortunate generation. Nevertheless, there have always been people in low wage employment, always been people with disabilities etc. who have not been fortunate enough to be able to save for retirement. Mortgage interest rates where extremely high in the early 1990s. Maternity leave didn't start until 1979, childcare was hard to find and there was no financial help with it, so some women were out of the labour force for a while. I don't like your ageist generalisations and attempts to whip up a generation war rather than to acknowledge the inequalities in society across all generations.

I know a lot of people in their 30s and 40s and a lot of young people. I am well aware of the housing crisis, high rents and student debt. Don't make lazy generalisations.

GoodnightAdeline · 08/04/2024 18:36

converseandjeans · 08/04/2024 18:35

My AIBU is that we are not in a financial position to be paying more to pensioners

But costs have gone up for them too. How are they supposed to buy food & pay bills if they don't get any increase?

How do any of us?

OP posts:
converseandjeans · 08/04/2024 18:35

My AIBU is that we are not in a financial position to be paying more to pensioners

But costs have gone up for them too. How are they supposed to buy food & pay bills if they don't get any increase?

GoodnightAdeline · 08/04/2024 18:35

LuciferRising · 08/04/2024 18:32

Perhaps start looking at what you can do to secure yours and your children's future, rather than staring at others wishing they have less.

I could say the same about anyone who says Jeff Bezos should pay more tax. Trying to shut down conversation with ‘politics of envy’ rubbish is a Tory tactic actually.

OP posts:
Soontobe60 · 08/04/2024 18:35

GoodnightAdeline · 08/04/2024 18:28

Pensioners are the wealthiest demographic. Of course you get pensioners in poverty who should rightly be supported, but working age people are far more likely to live in poverty. Yet are paying for this rise. Can anyone justify that?

I’m retired, can’t yet get my state pension and still pay tax. When I do get it, it will be fully taxed. My income will be the same as my husbands, who’s well off retirement age. Our tax bills will be the same. Pensioners who have both state and private pensions pay tax and that tax supports the economy.

GoodnightAdeline · 08/04/2024 18:33

Soontobe60 · 08/04/2024 18:28

Should we just shoot them all and be done with it then?

Some of these posts are truly ridiculous now. Why are you so scared of discussing it in a rational way? Why resort to pure hyperbole?

OP posts:
LuciferRising · 08/04/2024 18:32

Perhaps start looking at what you can do to secure yours and your children's future, rather than staring at others wishing they have less.

Nw22 · 08/04/2024 18:32

@Notamum12345577 except that no public sector salaries went up that much

ghostyslovesheets · 08/04/2024 18:29

rainbowunicorn · 08/04/2024 18:27

You are just showing yourself up now OP. It is clear from your posts that you have no real grasp on how politics or the whole benefits and pension system works.

Yup - and nowt to bring to the table by way of an alternative - just rambling anger

GoodnightAdeline · 08/04/2024 18:28

Blackcats7 · 08/04/2024 18:26

Yes! Let the poorer pensioners starve whilst someone tries to undo the years of damage the government has done to the economy! After all their time is up really.
I have a great idea for all those disabled scroungers too. Set the hounds on them, the poor things are bored now the nasty lefties made us stop tearing foxes to pieces. We’ll soon see just how disabled they really are then. Those who survive can be made to get jobs and those that didn’t will be dead so no longer a drain on the rest of us hardworking people.

Pensioners are the wealthiest demographic. Of course you get pensioners in poverty who should rightly be supported, but working age people are far more likely to live in poverty. Yet are paying for this rise. Can anyone justify that?

OP posts:
Listentogold · 08/04/2024 18:28

OP it might be unaffordable to the country.
That is NOT the pensioners fault.
Have you tried living on £11,500 per year.
There are lots of pensioners who have paid into the system
nearly 50 years. These started work at 16.
And you begrudge them having a small rise.

Ignorant poster.

Soontobe60 · 08/04/2024 18:28

GoodnightAdeline · 08/04/2024 17:17

My AIBU is that we are not in a financial position to be paying more to pensioners

Should we just shoot them all and be done with it then?

rainbowunicorn · 08/04/2024 18:27

You are just showing yourself up now OP. It is clear from your posts that you have no real grasp on how politics or the whole benefits and pension system works.

Blackcats7 · 08/04/2024 18:26

Yes! Let the poorer pensioners starve whilst someone tries to undo the years of damage the government has done to the economy! After all their time is up really.
I have a great idea for all those disabled scroungers too. Set the hounds on them, the poor things are bored now the nasty lefties made us stop tearing foxes to pieces. We’ll soon see just how disabled they really are then. Those who survive can be made to get jobs and those that didn’t will be dead so no longer a drain on the rest of us hardworking people.

Iamtheoneinten · 08/04/2024 18:26

Is it just pension increases you’re outraged about or are you similarly agitated by all of the other benefits that will be raised next month too?

GoodnightAdeline · 08/04/2024 18:24

Oldrunner · 08/04/2024 18:22

Omg, you'd take money from pensionners but you have no idea about any money that the tories have spaffed away over the last few years. Your ignorance is appalling.

Even if we recouped the money it would be nowhere near enough to solve this issue so it’s pointless bringing it up.

OP posts:
SherrieElmer · 08/04/2024 18:22

Boomers had the privilege of living during a time with unprecedented economic growth. They had plenty of opportunity to make preparations for their retirement. It is insulting to demand now from the younger generations to bail out these individuals when we are in the middle of a devastating cost of living crisis with unemployment going through the roof.
And to add insult to injury we still have to tolerate their condescending comments yelled out from the top of their ivory towers calling us workshy, snowflakes and all that bollocks.
Common sense went out the window a long time ago and as consequence generational confrontation is brewing. The situation is unsustainable and something has to give in. This will not end well.

Oldrunner · 08/04/2024 18:22

Omg, you'd take money from pensionners but you have no idea about any money that the tories have spaffed away over the last few years. Your ignorance is appalling.

GoodnightAdeline · 08/04/2024 18:21

ShyMaryEllen · 08/04/2024 18:18

That made me actually laugh out loud 😂. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Ostriches spring to mind! Better to shoot the messenger than admit it’s all unaffordable.

OP posts:
GoodnightAdeline · 08/04/2024 18:20

It’s awful and they should be locked up but £164m is absolutely nothing compared to pensions, or our budget for just about anything else.

OP posts:
Meadowfinch · 08/04/2024 18:18

'I’m 32, and I’ve contributed 13 years.'

So you're already several years behind me in terms of paying into the NI system. Already taken more maternity leaves than me.

I'd say the problem is you !!

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