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OP posts:
CloudyYellow · 08/04/2024 19:45

GoodnightAdeline · 08/04/2024 19:41

Why would they be in poverty?

This quote takes the biscuit. OP is obviously not a member of MENSA. Just an unpleasant person trying to get a rise out of people.

Heatherbell1978 · 08/04/2024 19:44

OP presumably if you're not keen on the state pension rising with inflation, you're taking action to ensure your own private pension arrangements are adequate as you don't want to be relying on the state when you're a pensioner? Assuming the state pension is £11k a year, the equivalent you'd need in a pot in today's money is around £275k to match that.

Houseplanter · 08/04/2024 19:44

You can manage on 12k a year OP? I lifetimes working and paying everything asked of them for less than the minimum wage?

Shame on you

GoodnightAdeline · 08/04/2024 19:41

Houseplanter · 08/04/2024 19:40

When society wants to keep their elderly in poverty then we really are stuffed.

Why would they be in poverty?

OP posts:
Houseplanter · 08/04/2024 19:40

When society wants to keep their elderly in poverty then we really are stuffed.

justtidying · 08/04/2024 19:36

Isseywith3witchycats · 08/04/2024 17:19

right so im 67 still working and pay tax and i had to wait an extra six years to get my pension took 12 months off work three times in my life when i had my children so i think i have bloody well earned my pension so you can sod off

Fully agreed!

GoodnightAdeline · 08/04/2024 19:33

Iamtheoneinten · 08/04/2024 19:30

Well don’t panic, if she hasn’t contributed her 35 years, she won’t get the full pension. And let’s not cloud the water with the socioeconomic reasons why women mainly go part time after having children 🙄.
In contrast to your MIL, you’ve presumably gone back full time and decided it’s ok that other tax payers foot the bill for tax free childcare for the children you have chosen to have. Swings and roundabouts really.

I don’t have free childcare. I paid the full rate - subsidising those who get it for free - for 3 years. £1200 per month. For the final year I got my ‘free hours’ which aren’t actually free because you’ve paid over the rate for the 3 years beforehand to keep the system going.

Me receiving ‘30 free hours that aren’t free’ and working FT is infinitely better for the economy than somebody who doesn’t work at all, or doesn’t work and uses their free hours.

OP posts:
ilovesooty · 08/04/2024 19:31

GingerPirate · 08/04/2024 19:28

Yes, thanks to my retired husband (retired at 50)
I can afford holidays, luxuries, have three different homes and not worry about supermarket prices.
Same point to my comment as to this thread.

What has your particular good fortune got to do with the state pension increase?

Iamtheoneinten · 08/04/2024 19:30

GoodnightAdeline · 08/04/2024 19:04

Well they haven’t all - my MIL hasn’t worked full time since having DP and his brother. Same for a lot of ladies I know, it was very part time after children. I’ve worked since I was 14. I don’t see one generation as inherently more deserving than the other I just think money should go to those in need.

Well don’t panic, if she hasn’t contributed her 35 years, she won’t get the full pension. And let’s not cloud the water with the socioeconomic reasons why women mainly go part time after having children 🙄.
In contrast to your MIL, you’ve presumably gone back full time and decided it’s ok that other tax payers foot the bill for tax free childcare for the children you have chosen to have. Swings and roundabouts really.

GingerPirate · 08/04/2024 19:28

Yes, thanks to my retired husband (retired at 50)
I can afford holidays, luxuries, have three different homes and not worry about supermarket prices.
Same point to my comment as to this thread.

caringcarer · 08/04/2024 19:27

Anonymouseposter · 08/04/2024 18:36

This is an insulting post. AS a boomer, born 1952 I have never called anyone a workshy snowflake. You make a lot of generalisations. I personally have a moderate pension from the NHS in addition to the state pension and I know that, in many ways i am one of a fortunate generation. Nevertheless, there have always been people in low wage employment, always been people with disabilities etc. who have not been fortunate enough to be able to save for retirement. Mortgage interest rates where extremely high in the early 1990s. Maternity leave didn't start until 1979, childcare was hard to find and there was no financial help with it, so some women were out of the labour force for a while. I don't like your ageist generalisations and attempts to whip up a generation war rather than to acknowledge the inequalities in society across all generations.

I know a lot of people in their 30s and 40s and a lot of young people. I am well aware of the housing crisis, high rents and student debt. Don't make lazy generalisations.

Very well put.

GoodnightAdeline · 08/04/2024 19:27

luckylavender · 08/04/2024 19:25

@GoodnightAdeline - you haven't made anything terribly clear. You've just huffed and puffed. The State Pension is something we all pay into through taxes, it's a contract with the government. It's not a benefit, it's our money. So we can't just change that contract on a whim. Look at the WASPI women scandal.

I’ve made myself extremely clear. You don’t pay ‘into’ anything, there’s no vault sat there containing everyone’s NI contributions. Today’s pensions are paid for by today’s workers, and so on.

OP posts:
ilovesooty · 08/04/2024 19:26

There are some disgusting posts on here.

No wonder our government has been able to appeal to the politics of envy and a race to the bottom.

TheShellBeach · 08/04/2024 19:26

The fact that your generation consistently voted for governments who didn't plan on how to fund the state pension (especially when it's been known for years there was going to an aging population issue) shouldn't be my generations burden to bear, so you can sod off

And you can sod off with your assumptions.

We've always voted Labour.

caringcarer · 08/04/2024 19:25

SherrieElmer · 08/04/2024 18:22

Boomers had the privilege of living during a time with unprecedented economic growth. They had plenty of opportunity to make preparations for their retirement. It is insulting to demand now from the younger generations to bail out these individuals when we are in the middle of a devastating cost of living crisis with unemployment going through the roof.
And to add insult to injury we still have to tolerate their condescending comments yelled out from the top of their ivory towers calling us workshy, snowflakes and all that bollocks.
Common sense went out the window a long time ago and as consequence generational confrontation is brewing. The situation is unsustainable and something has to give in. This will not end well.

Boomers taxes paid for your education. They paid for your health care. They paid for you to have child benefit when you were a child. Even now many boomer's pay taxes that pay for your DC to go to school and others to go to nursery. Boomers did not choose when they were born. I'm a boomer and I'll be claiming my pension in 4 years time. I also have a Teachers Pension and income from btl houses. Because of this I'll be paying 40 percent tax on my pension. I don't begrudge this. Why do you begrudge boomers their retirement pension?

luckylavender · 08/04/2024 19:25

@GoodnightAdeline - you haven't made anything terribly clear. You've just huffed and puffed. The State Pension is something we all pay into through taxes, it's a contract with the government. It's not a benefit, it's our money. So we can't just change that contract on a whim. Look at the WASPI women scandal.

GoodnightAdeline · 08/04/2024 19:24

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 08/04/2024 19:23

Right, so I'm late 30s, have already been working full-time for 20 years with no years off and will, according to various analysts and think-tanks, be forced to work until I'm 74 before being eligible for a state pension.

The fact that your generation consistently voted for governments who didn't plan on how to fund the state pension (especially when it's been known for years there was going to an aging population issue) shouldn't be my generations burden to bear, so you can sod off.

To borrow a phrase from your generation, maybe you should have got a better job and saved more if you wanted a good pension.

Touché…

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Whatwillbewilbe · 08/04/2024 19:23

I’m 62 and currently have 46 of years tax and NI contributions. I’ve always worked full time. By the time I get to the minimum age of 67 (God willing - my parents didn’t live till that age)I will have 51 years under my belt. I think I will have done my bit by then and deserve a pension to keep me when I’m too old and in too much pain from my chronic health issues to work.

D0v3Gr3y · 08/04/2024 19:23

GoodnightAdeline · 08/04/2024 19:19

Why would they starve and freeze to death? I’ve made it very clear I think it should be means tested. Anyone who doesn’t qualify will not starve or freeze. The hysteria on here is wild (as is the paraphrasing 😳)

So how are you going to means test?

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 08/04/2024 19:23

Isseywith3witchycats · 08/04/2024 17:19

right so im 67 still working and pay tax and i had to wait an extra six years to get my pension took 12 months off work three times in my life when i had my children so i think i have bloody well earned my pension so you can sod off

Right, so I'm late 30s, have already been working full-time for 20 years with no years off and will, according to various analysts and think-tanks, be forced to work until I'm 74 before being eligible for a state pension.

The fact that your generation consistently voted for governments who didn't plan on how to fund the state pension (especially when it's been known for years there was going to an aging population issue) shouldn't be my generations burden to bear, so you can sod off.

To borrow a phrase from your generation, maybe you should have got a better job and saved more if you wanted a good pension.

BasilParsley · 08/04/2024 19:22

I retired last autumn at age 66 having been sold a dream when I was a teenager that that I would be able to retire at aged 60.

I am now in receipt of my state pension, the enhanced mobility rate of PIP (because I am disabled) and a v. small index linked local government pension.

I am really fortunate in that I managed to hang on to my property that I purchased with a mortgage in 1989 through the ridiculous interest rate rises a year or so later and finally paid off about 8 years ago so it's now mine.

So, while I don't need to pay any rent or mortgage, and have a nice amount of savings, I am grateful for the extra £100 per month I will be receiving (after tax) thanks to the increases in the state pension, the local government pension and the PIP mobility payment.

It means I can allow myself to keep the heating on a bit longer (given this spring is rather damp and wet!) and cope with the ever-increasing food prices (and shrinkflation) we are seeing in our supermarkets and corner shops. And, perhaps, go out for lunch at a cafe at some point when the weather is better...

Better that I am able to live independently than than making me a burden of the state by putting me in a workhouse?

LakieLady · 08/04/2024 19:21

GoodnightAdeline · 08/04/2024 18:47

I’m not agitated by means tested benefits.

Glad to hear that you're not agitated by means-tested benefits, OP. Surprised though, given that means-tested pension credit is only about £3pw less than the full state pension that you are so agitated about.

GoodnightAdeline · 08/04/2024 19:19

luckylavender · 08/04/2024 19:16

We have the lowest pensions in Europe. Would you rather pensioners starve or freeze to death?

Why would they starve and freeze to death? I’ve made it very clear I think it should be means tested. Anyone who doesn’t qualify will not starve or freeze. The hysteria on here is wild (as is the paraphrasing 😳)

OP posts:
TheShellBeach · 08/04/2024 19:18

luckylavender · 08/04/2024 19:16

We have the lowest pensions in Europe. Would you rather pensioners starve or freeze to death?

We turned our heating off before we really wanted to.
It's not possible to heat our little bungalow and buy food as well.

TheShellBeach · 08/04/2024 19:16

GoodnightAdeline · 08/04/2024 19:08

I don’t think we can afford any of it as we are skint, but the pension increase should be the most disposable as it is benefitting the wealthiest recipients (on the whole).

So in fact, it IS old people you object to.
You just haven't said so in so many words.

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