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Do our household bills sound reasonable? What could be lower?

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itsalentilsone · 08/04/2024 15:48

Just two of us (me and DP) living together in a 2 bed flat in South East. I am currently a student but that will be coming to an end in the next 3 months. We are trying hard to cut costs where we can and have been going over our finances to see where we can make savings. Any thoughts on what looks expensive or unnecessary would be much appreciated. Thanks!

Income:
£4,067

Monthly outgoings:
Mortgage - £765.65
Mortgage protection insurance - £47.63
Help to Buy loan - £93.24
Service charge - £188.32
Gas - £55
Electricity £42
Water - £18
Internet - £40
Mobile phone 1 - £18
Mobile phone 2 - £22
Council Tax - £159.37
TV Licence - 13.25

Groceries - £240
Train travel (DP work commute) £477

Petrol - £60
Car payment - £238.74
Car Insurance - £59.32

Netflix - £10.99
Amazon music - £10.99
Oura ring - £5.99
Apple storage - £3
Private / misc payment - £150

Savings direct debit - £160

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Concannon88 · 08/04/2024 19:35

@itsalentilsone not asking, but if the private payment of 150 is debt/credit card you'd be better off paying that off than saving 160. You can get a cheaper Netflix. I wouldn't have the music and I wouldn't pay for apple storage. Dont know what qura ring is.

itsalentilsone · 08/04/2024 19:33

MrsMoastyToasty · 08/04/2024 18:34

Do you pay council tax over 10 months? Most councils will let you pay over 12 months if you're not in arrears. You won't pay less over the course of the year but it will spread payments thinner.
Does your water bill include sewerage? See if your water company provides water saving devices if you're on a meter. It will reduce both the water and the sewerage parts of the bill. Also look at social tariffs and non return to sewer allowances.

Yes we currently pay council tax over 10 months but will definitely look into spreading the cost over 12 months - thank you for the tip. Also useful info to have Re water bill, something else for me to look into.

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itsalentilsone · 08/04/2024 19:21

Towerofsong · 08/04/2024 19:12

Your broadband looks a bit on the high side. You should be able to get it down to £25/26 if you aren't still on a contract.

Can you make your car cheaper at all? Is that HP or PCP?

It is PCP. Not much scope for making it cheaper unless we sell the car and that is the only thing that DP is not currently willing to budge on.

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itsalentilsone · 08/04/2024 19:21

MichaelAndEagle · 08/04/2024 19:15

At the ripe old age of 43 i just found out about 50:30:20 rule for budgeting. Found it useful when trying to figure out how much to save.

50% of your income on essentials
30% on stuff you want
20% save

Of course need vs want us tricky. But 20% saving is useful to me.
I'm not too sure if saving say for a holiday should be in the 20% 'saving' or 30% 'want' so I'm still sort of working on it. But it's at least a guide.

Interesting! Also recently learnt about this. Going to work out our ratio / split now. Problem is that I think our essential costs are already way over 50%.

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MichaelAndEagle · 08/04/2024 19:15

At the ripe old age of 43 i just found out about 50:30:20 rule for budgeting. Found it useful when trying to figure out how much to save.

50% of your income on essentials
30% on stuff you want
20% save

Of course need vs want us tricky. But 20% saving is useful to me.
I'm not too sure if saving say for a holiday should be in the 20% 'saving' or 30% 'want' so I'm still sort of working on it. But it's at least a guide.

Towerofsong · 08/04/2024 19:12

Your broadband looks a bit on the high side. You should be able to get it down to £25/26 if you aren't still on a contract.

Can you make your car cheaper at all? Is that HP or PCP?

itsalentilsone · 08/04/2024 19:06

WalkingonWheels · 08/04/2024 18:37

Is that your electric a month? Mine is £50 a week in a tiny two bed. Don't get me started on the cost of hearing oil!

Yes, per month. Ouch - yours does sound very expensive!

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itsalentilsone · 08/04/2024 19:06

SofiaSoFar · 08/04/2024 16:42

"Apple storage - £3 Get rid of this"

That can be tricky/risky if you use iPhones/iPads as the storage is used for backups and you can easily end up losing your photos and documents if you don't have enough storage.

Exactly. That is the problem. We have not managed to find a more economical way of saving / backing up our very many photos and documents. I am all ears though if anyone has any suggestions!

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WalkingonWheels · 08/04/2024 18:37

Is that your electric a month? Mine is £50 a week in a tiny two bed. Don't get me started on the cost of hearing oil!

MrsMoastyToasty · 08/04/2024 18:34

Do you pay council tax over 10 months? Most councils will let you pay over 12 months if you're not in arrears. You won't pay less over the course of the year but it will spread payments thinner.
Does your water bill include sewerage? See if your water company provides water saving devices if you're on a meter. It will reduce both the water and the sewerage parts of the bill. Also look at social tariffs and non return to sewer allowances.

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 08/04/2024 18:18

You have £1k plus unaccounted for ever month.

You need to set yourself a "fun money/treats" limit every month and when it's gone, it's gone.

Messing around will the small money seems crazy when there's such a big unaccounted for money issue.

Also,if you are really struggling to account for it, put the extra £1k into a immediate access account at savings account as soon as you get it. Then everything you take out becomes a conscious choice rather than a passive purchase. People tend to spend current account money quicker than savings account money.

Autumn1990 · 08/04/2024 18:15

Are you paying a car loan or a pcp? If it’s a loan then the cost will end at some point and you’ll have the car. If it’s a pcp see when you can change it without penalties and either buy a car outright or get a car loan

peloton2024 · 08/04/2024 18:10

Service charges are ridiculous
I'm in a 2 bed in the NW and pay £200pm

PotatoPudding · 08/04/2024 18:04

£160 is a random amount to save. It’s also quite small considering your disposable income. Can you increase to £250?

flyinghen · 08/04/2024 17:57

EmpressSoleil · 08/04/2024 16:22

Spending 1k+ per month just on "fun" seems excessive, to then try and save a fiver on a cheaper Netflix subscription! It's a drop in the ocean. I think you're looking in the wrong place for making cutbacks.

This!

flyinghen · 08/04/2024 17:55

The eating out and extra spending is where you are likely to have to cut back I'm afraid if you are getting to the end of your money before the month ends.

I can't really see anything else really obvious, except car payment and that ring thing that I haven't heard of before. Seems and awful lot of money per year for a fitness tracker. I'd get a cheap Fitbit second hand and use that instead.

Ginmonkeyagain · 08/04/2024 17:39

Do you need the income protection insurance? A lot of people are over insured - check work benefits first before adding insurance.

For exmaple I don't bother with life insurance as I have no children and my work death in service benefit will more than pay off our mortgage.

ConsuelaHammock · 08/04/2024 17:36

Broadband shouldn't be more than £20 a month . Have a look online at comparison sites and then check cashback websites for cashback for that particular provider.
Your bills are ok but I’d cut back eating out to once a month until you have a good buffer saved. How much you have in savings will/ should dictate how you spend the spare money per month. Cut out eating out until you have 3-6 months expenses saved.

OooohAhhhh · 08/04/2024 17:33

Impressed with grocery/electric & gas - that's really good.
Do you need the £10.99 Netflix premium plan with HD/multiple screens & without ads?
Can you make do with the bog standard £4.99 plan/1 screen with ads? That's what we have.
We ditched Amazon prime as that was £90 we could have done without paying annually.
Do you need Amazon music? Lots of songs on Spotify are free last time I looked & can link it to Alexa I think?

AyeupDuck · 08/04/2024 17:17

I had to look up an oura ring I thought it sounded like some kind of contraceptive device :)

Just eat less cake and nice things and get rid of it, kind of joking.

Get all your statements and make a massive spreadsheet with all outgoings, if you never draw out cash it’s easy done and I know there are some apps that can do this but we have a nice old fashioned spreadsheet and know out exact outgoings and it’s free. You are bleeding money on unknown fun, your actual sensible bills look fine.

Did you shop about for car insurance? I just found a better deal for MIL thats going to save her 210 PA, also play yearly. A car gets you from A to B and car finance is one of the worst how much is the apr? Probably 25% or something horrendous. Tell him to stop worrying about how he looks, we have an older car, its the worst on the road as we live in road where people have top of the range Tesla and Mercs, but who cares really.

SpringOfContentment · 08/04/2024 17:09

It's not the bits that you have listed that really need trimming. It's the unaccounted for 1k a month that is dissapering that needs to be identified as to what is necessary and what is not.

itsalentilsone · 08/04/2024 17:01

Biscoffisthebest · 08/04/2024 16:48

Honestly, saving a tenner from getting rid of Netflix is neither here nor there if you’re getting through 1k a month on ‘fun’ money. Look at that first - £11 isn’t going to make much of a different if you cancel it - it’s 1% of your non essentials budget. But you could try to limit your meals out, trips away etc - maybe have 2 quiet weekends a month, meals out to once a month. That would make more of a difference.

Yes very true. This is what I have come to realise.

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itsalentilsone · 08/04/2024 17:00

turkeymuffin · 08/04/2024 16:56

This. None of what you've written is easily reduced.

The most illuminating thing to do would be go through last 3 months transactions and see where the £1k/month fun money has gone. There may be more easy wins there.

I agree, this is key.

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itsalentilsone · 08/04/2024 17:00

turkeymuffin · 08/04/2024 16:56

This. None of what you've written is easily reduced.

The most illuminating thing to do would be go through last 3 months transactions and see where the £1k/month fun money has gone. There may be more easy wins there.

Yes - that is on the agenda for the weekend. Thank you

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turkeymuffin · 08/04/2024 16:56

watchuswreckthemic · 08/04/2024 16:37

If you are managing to spend over a £1k without noticing I'd be looking at that before focusing on the suggestions to save £6 a month.
Set a budget for fun and stick to it- what do you think is reasonable?

This. None of what you've written is easily reduced.

The most illuminating thing to do would be go through last 3 months transactions and see where the £1k/month fun money has gone. There may be more easy wins there.

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