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To think I’m entitled to child maintenance?

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Blondeyoghurt · 08/04/2024 14:40

Hey all,

I honestly have no idea if I’m wrong or right on this one so please be gentle!

I have a nearly 4 year old with my ex (never married). He’s decided today that when she goes to school, he’s not going to pay the privately agreed child maintenance anymore. He’s told me he’s spoken to CMS and they have informed him that if I put a claim in they would just shut it down straight away, as we share our child 50/50 (this does differ sometimes as he has on call duties in his job, so may have a couple extra days with me or my mum etc).

He’s on an extremely healthy wage (just over double mine), and I am the receiver of child benefit.

I was sure that even with 50/50 custody, he would still have to pay to me - is this wrong?

I have absolutely no idea and I don’t want to cause a stir without knowing exactly where I stand.. the websites aren’t too clear in this instance😭

help please!

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Ledci · 17/05/2024 12:28

Baffers100 · 16/05/2024 23:34

But receiving benefit doesn't prove she is the primary carer. It just means she is the lower earner of the two.

I didn't say it proved it, I said that if she recieves those, it will be her who is the primary carer in the eyes of the CMS. I know that is how they decide who it is.
If she is saying the opposite to him, eg she is the main carer AND she claims the CB and addresses are linked, they will award her the "primary carer" status

Zonder · 17/05/2024 07:34

Blondeyoghurt · 16/05/2024 21:41

Quick update on the situation - he’s told CMS he is the main day-to-day carer and so they have took his word and closed the case. I’m back to square one (:

Did he give them any evidence of this? Can you show how much you do?

TealPeer · 17/05/2024 05:40

Don't take legal advice from your opponent.
If he gets upset at you applying, then he's likely lying to get out of paying.
Trust the website calculator over the man who doesn't want to pay.

Chatonette · 17/05/2024 04:47

Don’t give ve up! Surely he’s not the first at CMS to try to pull this shit.

Baffers100 · 16/05/2024 23:34

Ledci · 16/05/2024 21:48

You need to contest this as unless he has provided proof of this, it's a load of crap.

If you receive child benefit and the child is registered at your address for doctors, nursery etc then YOU are the primary carer. He HAS to prove otherwise, they don't just close the case because "he said so"
My OH has been fighting the exact same battle for 2yrs and it's still ongoing. Apparently because she claims CB and the child is registered at her address for doctors etc then she is classed as primary carer. Which is what I imagine you are?

But receiving benefit doesn't prove she is the primary carer. It just means she is the lower earner of the two.

Ledci · 16/05/2024 21:48

Blondeyoghurt · 16/05/2024 21:41

Quick update on the situation - he’s told CMS he is the main day-to-day carer and so they have took his word and closed the case. I’m back to square one (:

You need to contest this as unless he has provided proof of this, it's a load of crap.

If you receive child benefit and the child is registered at your address for doctors, nursery etc then YOU are the primary carer. He HAS to prove otherwise, they don't just close the case because "he said so"
My OH has been fighting the exact same battle for 2yrs and it's still ongoing. Apparently because she claims CB and the child is registered at her address for doctors etc then she is classed as primary carer. Which is what I imagine you are?

Blondeyoghurt · 16/05/2024 21:41

Quick update on the situation - he’s told CMS he is the main day-to-day carer and so they have took his word and closed the case. I’m back to square one (:

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Baffers100 · 16/05/2024 15:38

Interesting thread...I am the larger earner with the STBXH on the lower income. He will be able to claim child benefit. We are looking to split custody of the children 50:50.
TBH him doing 50% will be a massive step up- only since I have filed for divorce has he started picking up costs for Christmas and birthday presents. He still doesn't contribute towards childminder fees, school lunches, clothes and uniform.
I'll buy clothes for the kids for when they're at mine, and he will buy clothes for them to stay at his, working to his budget.
Child care costs will be split- I pay if I need a childminder on my days, and he will pay for his. Joint costs (school uniform, trips, lunches, clubs) should be split equally.
I'd be hacked off is he came at me for maintenance...he currently spends his income on his trainers and gaming PC so what's the say the kids will see any of it anyway?

Sloelydoesit · 09/04/2024 10:47

Otherstories2002 · 09/04/2024 10:44

Even if he is doing 50/50 of everything that still doesn’t remove entitlement to child maintenance where there is unequal income.

Yes It does. See my post above on reg 50

Otherstories2002 · 09/04/2024 10:45

ggggggooooo · 09/04/2024 10:30

@Otherstories2002
To be fair though. Ongoing posts do indeed make the guy sound like he's not pulling his 50/50 weight

Im aware. I read the full thread.

Otherstories2002 · 09/04/2024 10:44

ggggggooooo · 09/04/2024 10:28

@Otherstories2002

Never assume anything

Also, never go around making up possible scenarios in your own head that the OP didn't disclose and run with a whole bunch of judgement based on your own made up scenarios. (esp when it's highly likely due to the nature if the post that she would disclose all info suggesting he's a dick)

Best to stick to the OP description huh?

Even if he is doing 50/50 of everything that still doesn’t remove entitlement to child maintenance where there is unequal income.

ggggggooooo · 09/04/2024 10:30

@Otherstories2002
To be fair though. Ongoing posts do indeed make the guy sound like he's not pulling his 50/50 weight

Sloelydoesit · 09/04/2024 10:30

Reg 50 states no CMS due for shared care:

Where the person named as the non-resident parent of the qualifying child also provides a home for that child (in a different household from the applicant) and shares the day-to-day care of that child with the applicant, the case is to be treated as a special case for the purposes of the 1991 Act (reg 50 of the Child Support Maintenance Calculation Regulation 2012).

The effect of reg 50 is that, where there is a division of care in two different households, the non-applicant parent is to be treated as the NRP if they provide day to day care to a lesser extent than the day-to-day care provided by the applicant. Where the facts show equal responsibility for day-to-day care then there is no NRP from whom maintenance may be claimed, and there will be no assessment.

ggggggooooo · 09/04/2024 10:28

@Otherstories2002

Never assume anything

Also, never go around making up possible scenarios in your own head that the OP didn't disclose and run with a whole bunch of judgement based on your own made up scenarios. (esp when it's highly likely due to the nature if the post that she would disclose all info suggesting he's a dick)

Best to stick to the OP description huh?

Addictforanex · 09/04/2024 07:45

Hoplolly · 08/04/2024 18:45

How do people split the costs when doing 50/50? In our case...we discuss anything significant like adults. School costs are given that we'll split, normally I'll pay and text him to transfer the money to me. Clothes, kids are giving a budget to spend and we both contribute equally. What else is there to split?

Treats are treats, they don't have to be matched from parent to parent, just as they wouldn't be if it CMS was payable. That's down to parental choice.

Sounds like you have an amiable relationship with a decent ex. You are lucky. Many many people don’t have that. A text to say, “ I bought DD this coat, can you transfer half?” In my world would be met with “Fuck off, she didn’t need a new coat, why did you get that one anyway, could have got one for £1 at a car boot” or some such shite. Or a simple “can’t afford to” For every. single. thing. Exhausting, soul destroying, heart breaking.

millymollymoomoo · 09/04/2024 07:26

Very costly to do a sch 1 claim . V difficult to win under this and would likely not be successful re maintainence

millymollymoomoo · 09/04/2024 07:24

You can out in a claim- but if it’s genuinely 50/50 nights they will return a £0 nil assessment - the calculator doesn’t work in genuine 50:50 cases. Feel free to put a claim in but expect it to come back as this

Morph22010 · 09/04/2024 07:09

MiltonNorthern · 08/04/2024 16:16

No they don't have to provide proportional to their income. Each parent has the chance to work just as much as the other does. Why would the higher earner have to subsidise the lower earner? Honestly, why?

Because in this case the op is having to have the child on some of dad’s time because he is on call, so current situation he presumably relies on her having those days free so he can work. True 50-50 the dad would need to sort out childcare when he’s on call as though he was a single parent not expect op to be available by default. Op would then have more time available to increase her earnings

twitternotx · 09/04/2024 06:58

Blondeyoghurt · 08/04/2024 16:04

I just want to jump on the back of this one and say it’s actually so hard to hear something like this when I have worked my socks off to get into the career I’m in.. I spent the first 2.5 years of DDs life taking a back step so that he could further his career.. so some things are easily said than done I guess

I spent the first 2.5 years of DDs life taking a back step so that he could further his career.. so some things are easily said than done I guess

If nothing else, hopefully this thread will make other women realise not to do that when you're not married......

FizzyDucks · 09/04/2024 06:57

WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 08/04/2024 22:48

What a tremendous idea. Well of course if OP stops paying, he will just just instead. What other option could there be for someone already not paying anything?? Hmmm...

Honestly, some people live on a different planet. He's not going to buy more if she stops buying things at her house. He'll just let the kid wear whatever mum sends them in until mum gives in and buys more.

Well in that case OP should just do absolutely nothing to try and improve her situation and sit there wondering why she has £0. What a tremendous idea.

OP has taken action and I am very pleased she has and I wish her all the best.

cakeorwine · 08/04/2024 22:55

If he does 50/50. then make sure that he does it properly.
Takes time off when she is ill to look after his child
Takes her to school and collects her.
Half the holidays.

See if impacts on his career.

WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 08/04/2024 22:48

FizzyDucks · 08/04/2024 19:22

And what?

He can either contribute half of these costs or OP can stop providing them. Ex will the have to pay for it all himself for the time the child is with him. It is a valid point to highlight this to OP so no need to be rude about it.

What a tremendous idea. Well of course if OP stops paying, he will just just instead. What other option could there be for someone already not paying anything?? Hmmm...

Honestly, some people live on a different planet. He's not going to buy more if she stops buying things at her house. He'll just let the kid wear whatever mum sends them in until mum gives in and buys more.

roseheartfly · 08/04/2024 20:27

He's paying private maintenance I assume towards nursery fees?

Who pays for other things that your child needs? Clothes/hobbies. If that's split then fine or if you agree to split those costs as they crop up, that's fine.

But his income and the fact it's healthy is really nothing to do with. He's supporting the child not your life. If it's 50/50 that is.

wejammin · 08/04/2024 20:22

Just as an aside, as we don't know the figures involved here, if the other parent earns over £104k net, you can make a claim under Schedule 1 of the Children Act to the court who will do a needs assessment and award a maintenance figure without the CMS. Even if 50/50.
And Schedule 1 is also there in other circumstances eg cash poor/asset rich type situations, or if a child has a particular need/disability that the other parent should be contributing towards.

AlexaPlaySomeHappyHardcore · 08/04/2024 20:12

I calmly let him know to possibly expect some contact from them and the response was as expected, I’m calling his bluff and a money grabbing piece of work..

Ha. My hunch was right. He’s a dick.

Seriously though, I hope you do find some way forward with this, either through continued child support via CMS or if that’s not possible, you somehow get him to fairly share all of the financial cost of raising your child amicably.

I also recommend that you keep a record of how many nights the child spends with each of you incase there are any queries in the future (CMS do annual reviews to check information is up to date). Could be handy.