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Why shouldn’t life be made easier for pregnant women/mothers?

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Duckwithnobill · 07/04/2024 18:18

Read quite a few threads here lately that have really shown vitriol towards advancements in working conditions, pay and other adaptations that make life easier for pregnant women and women with young children, which is bizarre to say the least on a parenting forum.

A couple of examples being resentment at the increased ability to work from home or more flexibility from employers around attending meetings/commuting in late pregnancy. I’ve seen women that take advantage of these enhancements be labelled as workshy or as the reason women aren’t respected in the workplace. Full disclosure I am pregnant and my employer has been great at accommodating my pregnancy presumably because they want me to return after maternity leave!

Then there’s the whole debate around P&C parking spaces, where some posters seem genuinely angry that there might be small conveniences put in place to make life a little bit easier for parents.

AIBU to find this attitude quite baffling? Surely improvements to the way pregnant women/mothers are treated can only be a good thing? Or should we all just suffer and struggle?

OP posts:
MikeRafone · 07/04/2024 20:27

We all need special treatment at different times of our lives and some need priority for different reasons.

People get hung up on what they perceive others to have better than them

ilovesooty · 07/04/2024 20:27

Moglet4 · 07/04/2024 20:18

Interesting viewpoint. May I ask why you think a wheelchair should take priority over a baby in a pram? I obviously don’t mean if it’s possible for the mother to sit holding the baby but there are occasions where that’s extremely difficult and/or dangerous.

Because wheelchair spaces were fought for and disability takes precedence.

Moglet4 · 07/04/2024 20:25

underscorer · 07/04/2024 19:18

Often, adjustments to make life easier for parents make life more difficult for others.

A pregnant woman being allowed to WFH when others can't is fine, but someone will often need to compensate for her absence from the office/workplace by dealing with tasks that can't be done remotely.

P&C parking spaces near shop entrances mean those without children and who aren't disabled enough to qualify for a blue badge, but who have mobility issues, need to park further away.

Don't pretend that special favours for parents don't impact on others.

Why do people without children never understand that it’s often dangerous and/or impossible to park in a ‘normal’ car space because they’re too narrow for you to get a child in or out of their car seat?! I cannot tell you the number of times I’ve had to leave the children with a complete stranger just so I can reverse the car out enough to actually get them in! Planning in new car parks needs a serious rethink- either make all spaces American-sized or triple the number of P&C spaces (they don’t have to be at the door btw, just big and next to a pavement)!

jengachampion · 07/04/2024 20:25

everythinglooksbetterpaintedblack · 07/04/2024 20:10

@jengachampion but that literally just doesn't happen. So not really a relevant point

What literally just doesn’t happen, sorry?

Firkinhavinalaugh · 07/04/2024 20:25

Lancrelady80 · 07/04/2024 20:20

Not comparable at all your parents are not your dependents.

Well, that just depends on your parents' health and age, doesn't it? Lucky you to not be in a position to find out that they very much can be...

Like with small children and pregnancy, not all parents are equal and some need to be cared for.

at work I have been called to pick a sick child up from nursery. I’ve also been called to help pick up a fallen parent. I can tell you what was more stressful - not so much the child in a safe place with caregivers…..

however it’s good that progress has been made and things are better for the parents coming along. It is difficult to see it being much easier for the next group of parents coming through, I’d have loved more time with DH at home helping out, I’d have loved my career not to have “stalled”, I’d have loved not to have had to top up my NI due to Mat Leave. Hopefully the next gen won’t have these issues 🙂

Lancrelady80 · 07/04/2024 20:20

Not comparable at all your parents are not your dependents.

Well, that just depends on your parents' health and age, doesn't it? Lucky you to not be in a position to find out that they very much can be...

sunnyday98 · 07/04/2024 20:20

@Moglet4 I believe it's governed by the equality act, however morally of course the wheelchair user should take priority on a bus because they have no other option, usually the mother does, eg different ways of holding the child

fitzwilliamdarcy · 07/04/2024 20:19

Unfortunately I work for an employer that bends over backwards to support mums and requires the women without kids to pick up all the slack. The employer gets to boast about their family-friendly credentials and meanwhile the women without kids just feel really resentful.

We’re talking always getting Christmas/summer hols off, never doing late or early starts, never doing overtime, regularly working under normal hours as they’ve got kids at home but not getting called out on it, etc etc etc.

I’m in favour of increasing flexibility but I’ve only ever seen the shitty end of the stick, sadly. I genuinely feel like a second class citizen most of the time.

ZiggyZowie · 07/04/2024 20:18

MuggedByReality · 07/04/2024 18:29

Because having children is a lifestyle choice, and I as a childfree person object to being penalised, inconvenienced or taxed more to allow entitled parents to receive yet more special treatment.

What a rotten attitude !

These children are the future breadwinners and tax payers in this country.

Their contribution keeps the country running and the parents should be assisted wherever possible.

Additionally I think workplaces should provide creches for the parents if they have room to do so.

Moglet4 · 07/04/2024 20:18

mynameiscalypso · 07/04/2024 18:25

I don't think a woman should get special treatment just because she's pregnant or has small children particularly - people have different responsibilities which may well not be child related (eg caring for elderly parents). They shouldn't have less flexibility offered to them because they happen not to have had a child.

I have no view at all on P&C spaces as I don't drive but I think it's right that on buses, for example, wheelchairs should take priority.

Interesting viewpoint. May I ask why you think a wheelchair should take priority over a baby in a pram? I obviously don’t mean if it’s possible for the mother to sit holding the baby but there are occasions where that’s extremely difficult and/or dangerous.

YellowChick56 · 07/04/2024 20:15

@Firefly1987

Very true but then you also get onto the argument about there not being enough younger people to fund the ageing population. I believe there may have been another Mumsnet post on this issue.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 07/04/2024 20:15

I agree OP. Because its a 'lifestyle choice' there can be no 'special treatment'...you see it in threads about 'should pregnant women be given seats on public transport' - people saying 'its pregnancy not a disability.

Yes it is 'only' pregnancy, and yes it is a choice. But so are a lot of things- someone who broke their ankle playing rugby has done so due to a lifestyle choice and isn't disabled...but it's basic human decency to give them a seat on a train when I can stand easily.

sunnyday98 · 07/04/2024 20:12

Haydenn · 07/04/2024 18:33

Usually the push back I see comes when the support is expected to come at the expense of childfree colleagues rather than from the business promoting itself as family friendly.

No one has a problem with pregnant women working from home, provided the childfree colleagues aren’t expected to be present in the office to cover their share. Equally I have no problem with parents with kids having school holidays off- provided I am able to book my holiday as and when I wish too.

This completely

everythinglooksbetterpaintedblack · 07/04/2024 20:10

@jengachampion but that literally just doesn't happen. So not really a relevant point

everythinglooksbetterpaintedblack · 07/04/2024 20:09

Honestly @Duckwithnobill have children. Don't have children. Everyone will be ok with whatever you or anyone else decides on the having children choice.

Wooloohooloo · 07/04/2024 20:04

It should be for parents not mothers.

Ilovemyshed · 07/04/2024 20:00

MuggedByReality · 07/04/2024 18:29

Because having children is a lifestyle choice, and I as a childfree person object to being penalised, inconvenienced or taxed more to allow entitled parents to receive yet more special treatment.

This

Hebeegeebe · 07/04/2024 19:59

Firefly1987 · 07/04/2024 19:58

I think we'd manage-people haven't ever stopped having kids long enough to find out what would happen so it's a moot point.

It’s fairly obvious 😂😂😂

Firefly1987 · 07/04/2024 19:58

YellowChick56 · 07/04/2024 18:46

But who will pay your pension when you retire if no one had children? And who would look after you in old age if there was no one younger than you fit and able? Doctors/nurses, if no one had children because of lifestyle choices then we would all be in a slight pickle Grin

I think we'd manage-people haven't ever stopped having kids long enough to find out what would happen so it's a moot point.

Duckwithnobill · 07/04/2024 19:57

If it is a lifestyle choice, then isn’t it one we should make as attractive as possible, so that society can continue to function?

A lot of women will seriously weigh up the pros/cons before they get pregnant and especially for the second or subsequent times, we’re not all just giving in to biological urges blind to the financial burden and end to freedom etc. It feels sensible as a society to make having children an easier choice to make, given declining birth rates?

OP posts:
ilovesooty · 07/04/2024 19:56

DragonFly98 · 07/04/2024 19:01

Not comparable at all your parents are not your dependents.

You don't choose to have elderly and frail parents.

If employers are going to accommodate employees ' caring needs, those accommodations should apply to a range of needs .

jengachampion · 07/04/2024 19:49

everythinglooksbetterpaintedblack · 07/04/2024 19:22

Having children is a lifestyle choice.
I know it is because I choose to have 2.
Work places being flexible to accommodate pregnancy is good.
Everything else is just not that important

And if no woman in our society decides to make this lifestyle choice?

Annoyed851 · 07/04/2024 19:48

No one with the advantages you mentioned is complaining, it’s jealous people wanting everyone to have inflexible working conditions like they do I’m afraid.

jengachampion · 07/04/2024 19:46

I completely agree with you.

It’s due to the cultural attitude. ‘At home, I wish I had a goat like my neighbour. In England, I wish my neighbour’s goat would die.’

We have a huge problem with falling birth rates as well as devaluing motherhood, treating it as a pointless indulgence, and treating the idea with contempt. When really it should be treated as a difficult and essential job that is necessary for society to function. It’s sad that it is not respected, and that accommodation is not put in place like it is in other countries to make it easier for mothers to thrive, maintain their careers, and participate in society.

AlwaysGinPlease · 07/04/2024 19:43

MuggedByReality · 07/04/2024 18:29

Because having children is a lifestyle choice, and I as a childfree person object to being penalised, inconvenienced or taxed more to allow entitled parents to receive yet more special treatment.

Agreed. I have three now adult DC. But I agree with this.

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