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AIBU to be angry about the benefits system

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Daffodilsinfebruary · 07/04/2024 16:23

I have recently discovered by using a free, independent benefits calculator called entitledto that had I applied for Universal Credit over 2 years ago, me and my family would be over £16,000 better off.

I had assumed that benefits were for either single-parent families or people unable to work due to disability.

The majority of our savings would have been from claiming 85% back in childcare costs. We also would have had a payout of over £200 each month in addition.

For context, we bring in just shy off £4,000 a month. I thought this was a very reasonable income and we would be entitled to nil.

I feel angry that we did not know about this. A friend of mine who I met through our children attending the same nursery told me she claims 85% back in childcare costs during a conversation in which I complained of my childcare going up £150.

I did further research and 19 billion pounds apparently goes unclaimed every year.

I’ve never claimed benefits in all my life and worked hard to get on the property ladder.

should I be angry that we didn’t claim, or take it in my stride.

I wonder how many other families who could have claimed but haven’t.

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XenoBitch · 08/04/2024 18:56

Fawklight · 08/04/2024 18:41

So confused. You earn near 4k a month as a family and are entitled to benefits?

I earn near 4k a month and I have checked, i am NOT entitled to benefits. Only child tax credits.

How is this even possible? Did I miss something?

Maybe OP did not factor in any savings she has. I would find it hard to believe that a household on £60k+ that indulge in a lot of luxuries don't have savings somewhere.... especially if they have a mortgage. I mean, house repairs and maintenance needs to happen, and can be very costly.

Headfirstintothewild · 08/04/2024 18:55

XenoBitch · 08/04/2024 18:53

Thanks. It was my work coach that told me that I would lose money if I worked (back when I had one). Maybe she was wrong, but I tend to trust people who are there to give advice.

It is always wise to check for yourself. See here.

Headfirstintothewild · 08/04/2024 18:55

Fawklight · 08/04/2024 18:41

So confused. You earn near 4k a month as a family and are entitled to benefits?

I earn near 4k a month and I have checked, i am NOT entitled to benefits. Only child tax credits.

How is this even possible? Did I miss something?

Child tax credits is a benefit.

XenoBitch · 08/04/2024 18:53

Babyroobs · 08/04/2024 18:41

If you have LCWRA on your claim you would also get a work allowance just like those with kids do. It is an extra help to enable people who due to illness or disability may only be able to work part time. UC is actually more generous than ESA in that you can still receive the LCW or LCWRA and work as many hours as you like unlike on ESA where there is a limit to 16 hours.

Thanks. It was my work coach that told me that I would lose money if I worked (back when I had one). Maybe she was wrong, but I tend to trust people who are there to give advice.

Babyroobs · 08/04/2024 18:52

Shesellsseashellsunluckyshespoor · 08/04/2024 16:16

I completely know where you’re coming from OP, it’s a real kick in the teeth finding out years later you’ve missed out

I can go one better though, myself and DH were told years ago (when I was PT due to caring for DC who was critically ill and couldn’t attend nursery) by someone from citizens advice that we weren’t entitled to anything and not to bother applying - found out six YEARS later whilst on mat leave that even now I’m back FT we are (and always were) entitled to some aspect of UC and need not have racked up the £££ in credit card debt (using them to live off when I had to suddenly cut 60% of my hours to look after DC all that time ago)

Sometimes it genuinely feels you get screwed over no matter what you do OP so I feel your pain

I used to work for CAB and whilst there were many excellent knowledgeable advisors there were also some really crap ones. I left in the end because I complained time and time again about a totally incompetent colleague who repeatedly failed to correctly calculate people's benefit entitlement, some of them terminally ill, and nothing was done. They still work there today.

Dagnabit · 08/04/2024 18:45

You’re angry because you didn’t bother to check before…riiight! 🤣 You must live under a rock.

Problemnumber99 · 08/04/2024 18:43

I'm a single parent on less than that and I get zilch 😭 got all excited and did the calculator again... still zilch

Fawklight · 08/04/2024 18:41

So confused. You earn near 4k a month as a family and are entitled to benefits?

I earn near 4k a month and I have checked, i am NOT entitled to benefits. Only child tax credits.

How is this even possible? Did I miss something?

Babyroobs · 08/04/2024 18:41

XenoBitch · 08/04/2024 10:30

Surely your figures are wrong? Aside form childcare and child benefit,

It boggles my mind how someone with a household income of £60k+, with no housing costs, would be entitled to some sort of top up.

It is madness when people who are unable to work, are expected to be grateful for the little over £700pm in UC.

Something I am angry at is the work allowance thing. I am on UC (LCWA) and if I tried a little part time job, 55p will be stopped for every £1 I earn (I have no kids). Working for half the minimum wage... no thanks. Yet my friend on ESA (also childless) can work for up to 16 hours a week and get to keep all her money.

If you have LCWRA on your claim you would also get a work allowance just like those with kids do. It is an extra help to enable people who due to illness or disability may only be able to work part time. UC is actually more generous than ESA in that you can still receive the LCW or LCWRA and work as many hours as you like unlike on ESA where there is a limit to 16 hours.

Babyroobs · 08/04/2024 18:35

Jack1975 · 08/04/2024 00:30

The SMI only kicks in after 9 months of claiming UC but if there is earnings in that 9 months you are then not eligible for the SMI

You can't use HMRC Tax account and UC to pay for childcare. If you claim UC then you can only receive help through your auC

I think it has very recently switched to 3 months now but you are correct in that if you have earnings you can't claim it anyway.

Queijo · 08/04/2024 18:34

You honestly wouldn’t get any UC. I didn’t when a single parent and earned £3k a month. Your wages would wipe everything out.

Have to say though UC and PIP saved my skin when I was suddenly diagnosed with epilepsy 2 years ago. It’s uncontrolled so I have seizures left right and centre and between PIP and UC I get just over £2.5k a month and don’t have to worry about seizing at work and can afford to live quite comfortably.

But I had to do all the research myself, there was no ‘oh your brain is fucked here’s what you need to do’ leaflet!

Dingdong90 · 08/04/2024 18:31

I can't understand how you would be entitled if your earning 4 grand a month as a couple...me and my partner earn half of that and we get a top up from universal credit but not alot, our income including benefits is still less than your income 🤔

KestrelMoon · 08/04/2024 17:55

You’re right the benefits system is broken, but not because of work shy parents gaming the system, but because the Gov have purposely made it very confusing and hard to apply. Plus if they make and error and give you too much benefit, you’re charged with benefit fraud and have to prove you didn’t know they’d made a mistake.

KestrelMoon · 08/04/2024 17:50

“I have recently discovered by using a free, independent benefits calculator called entitledto…”

The entitled to calculator isn’t perfect. It even says “know what you could be due”. Very often DWP and HMRC calculate entirely, and sometimes wildly different numbers.

OtterlyOverit · 08/04/2024 17:49

I don't really think that you needed this money OP. Benefits should be for those who need them.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 08/04/2024 17:44

Oaktree55 · 08/04/2024 16:33

I have a severely disabled relative, no capacity 24 hour care, for whom I am Deputy. His essential care (24 hour) has been cut back and back and is likely to be cut further. His only income is disability payments and he has been assessed as being able to contribute £600 pcm towards his carers wages (his benefits are £1300 pcm). He does not have enough money to pay the household bills. It is because benefits have been widened so much that those truly in need are really struggling to pay for essential care let alone anything else.

That is really appalling, shocking as my DM would say. Why is he paying nearly £600 pcm towards his carers wages when he has no money for his bills?

And then you get the likes of OP trying to claw back every bit of money she can.

ChishiyaBat · 08/04/2024 17:34

LakieLady · 08/04/2024 17:11

For a child to qualify for DLA, they have to have significantly greater care/mobility needs than a child of the same age without difficulties. That's why it's hard to get DLA for babies, all babies need pretty much round the clock care. The older the child is, the wider that gap becomes. A child who doesn't qualify at 2 may well qualify at 3, or at 5.

I guess that your move from TCs to UC was triggered by a change in circumstances, which is unlucky. People who are "migrated" to UC will get the same as they did under TCs, under transitional protection rules.

Yes that is what we were told by an independant source too, she really is way behind others her age, especially in mobility, but I understand why ot's hard, as like you say babies need round the clock care anyway.
As for UC that is what I was led to believe too, but I get £8.14 a month transitional protection and that is it.

LakieLady · 08/04/2024 17:11

ChishiyaBat · 08/04/2024 16:06

It's a shit system and they fuck over people who need help the most. My granddaughter has cerebral palsy, a relatively mild case, but she is still far behind other children her age, she can't jump or climb, she can walk short distances, but struggles, falls over a lot and injures herself, has sleep difficulties and other problems. My daughter applied for benefits, to be told she isn't disabled enough. She is 2 was told to claim again when she is 3 later this year, so she will, but I don't hold out much hope.
I have been on tax credits for many years, £78 a week child tax credits and £20 a week working tax credits, which helped immensely, but now it no longer exists and I was forced onto UC and am now only entitled to £249 a month, I am desperately trying to find a 2nd part time job, no luck so far though, Not to mention they didn't pay me for the 1st month because they fucked up!
I swear they only got rid of tax credits so they could cut peoples money!

For a child to qualify for DLA, they have to have significantly greater care/mobility needs than a child of the same age without difficulties. That's why it's hard to get DLA for babies, all babies need pretty much round the clock care. The older the child is, the wider that gap becomes. A child who doesn't qualify at 2 may well qualify at 3, or at 5.

I guess that your move from TCs to UC was triggered by a change in circumstances, which is unlucky. People who are "migrated" to UC will get the same as they did under TCs, under transitional protection rules.

LakieLady · 08/04/2024 16:51

bluetopazlove · 08/04/2024 00:18

Well known nobody tells you what you are entitled to . Although I do remember years ago , your Dr was allowed to tell you can claim for an illness , now they're not allowed to tell you .

It used to be a lot easier to find out, too, because there was some funding for welfare rights work via the Legal Services Commission.

When the Cameron govt introduced the Welfare Reform Act, they stopped all that funding, so not only was the benefit system a lot more complex, it was harder to get advice on your entitlement.

Before that change, our local CABs would run a benefit check for everyone that came in looking for advice, and they picked up an awful lot of unclaimed benefits. That went when they had to cut staff because the funding was cut.

Willwetalk · 08/04/2024 16:48

Youdontknowmedoyou · 07/04/2024 16:27

This is part of the reason why the benefits system is so broken. No one on that kind of income should need any benefits but, because tax credits destroyed the necessity to live on a normal wage, people expect so much more - landlords, service providers, retailers and manufacturers etc.

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Define 'normal'. It sounds like a lot of money, but it depends where you live.

ChishiyaBat · 08/04/2024 16:44

Nospecialcharactersplease · 08/04/2024 16:21

If you’ve been on tax credits for many years then you’ve had a lot of breathing space in which to improve your own financial prospects and security. Surely you weren’t expecting it to go on forever?

No, but i'm an unpaid carer so finding another job to fit in with my responsibilities and my job is really hard, my partner already works 2 jobs, plus ferries us all about, hospital appts, work and everywhere else. It's not as sinple as "improving my financial prospects and security" . One saving grace is we no longer have a mortgage, it's just hard supporting a family, working and being a carer, but thanks for the judgement!

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 08/04/2024 16:41

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 08/04/2024 16:33

Yet, when the migrants and immigrants question is brought up, all the do gooders say, 'oh our benefits system is no easier/fairer than on the continent'. I beg to differ.

"Do gooders" 🙄

Have you completely forgotten about David Cameron going head to head with the EU precisely because of his determination to cut access to Welfare in the UK for migrants, compared to those available in EU countries?

People who come here with no right of residence are entitled to a very limited level of support, so this idea that people come here because DWP hands them thousands is complete and utter nonsense.

LakieLady · 08/04/2024 16:39

ThinkOnIt · 08/04/2024 00:23

I find it worse that, as a single parent with 2 children and earning 3k a month (if you count child maintenance from their Dad, much less if you don't count that in), and yet I don't qualify for any UC.

Weird how it works that you, with 4K income, do.

Child maintenance doesn't affect UC, it's disregarded. If you're paying rent, you could well be entitled to some UC, especially if you have childcare costs.

And how much will be included in UC for rent depends on where you live. If you're in London or the SE, the amount will be higher than if you're in the NE or another area where rents are lower.

That means that the threshold at which UC entitlement stops is higher in some areas than others. Where I live, you would definitely be entitled to some help from UC on that income if you were renting.

paintingvenice · 08/04/2024 16:36

I’d be angry at the government for allowing people who don’t need benefits to claim them. You say yourself you don’t need the money. Benefits should be there for those in-need.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 08/04/2024 16:34

Xenia · 08/04/2024 16:29

It is not surprising more people than ever in British history want to move here (740,000 a year net immigration) etc.
It is very hard to make the system fair but I would rather we paid much less out and all had much lower taxes. Neither political party offers that option, sadly - they are both big spending huge state parties at present.

Immigration has rocketed because people are coming here on visas to fill service jobs that employers can't fill with UK residents, not because of generous Welfare. People with no right of residence aren't entitled to benefit in any case.

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