To think snobbery around the Kardashians is a bit pathetic?

Well I don't know much about that whole Kanye thing, other than his cuckoo. But reporting abuse is very different to mudslinging. Can't comment on whether he was abusive or not as I don't know and don't know if that is public knowledge or not.

That is lovely that she's inclusive in that way, but it is based on her own experience, so of course you would expect her to want to do something about it. However, I have learned from this thread that she's probably the most open/reflective one so every day is a school day. I think she's the one who backtracked on fur so I don't consider her to have a great moral compass. How difficult is it not to wear fur? It's not like the pelts stalk you and throw themselves at wealthy women. It's also, whatever the Kardashians say, not recovered from the 90s when there was a big fur drive. Sure some celebrities wear it, but the general public are mostly against it and I'd consider any wearing of fur by celebs as an attempt to bring it back. Not morally responsible imo.

I get it, we all have a stage where we are presented with reality television and perfect celebs leading lovely lives. Newlyweds, Cribs, Love Island were all based on this concept. It sells. People just see the Kardashians as particularly problematic because the plastic surgery, boasting about business skills when born with money, boundary crossing dad etc are all a bit morally dubious.

@MeDaughterMerope What I meant with the inclusivity is that she apparently insists that any retailers who want to stock her (by all accounts very popular) brand have to display all sizes together in the same area, as she experienced having to shop in separate 'plus-size' sections or stores as a teen while her friends and sisters could all shop together. Her massive amounts of plastic surgery obviously undermine the message significantly, but I remember thinking it was interesting when I read about it.

We'll need to agree to disagree on the abusive ex thing. I think her getting involved in the public mud-slinging with Kanye would be even more harmful to their shared kids than his already is. I'm sure she gives as good as she gets in private but at least it's not on public record for the kids (and everyone else) to read.

Unfortunately the stories that come out about them are not generally good and people tend to remember them.

I don't see how making clothes size inclusive is a virtue. It's just good business sense. They know the skinny fashionistas won't be buying their brand and the people who watch their show will be all shapes and sizes.

And I certainly don't think staying silent about a man abusing you is something admirable or noble. The women without their money who do this tend to not have happy endings.

I get that people like it because it's mindless television with pretty people but there's not much deeper about it than that. That's good anyway. Think they will have a whole load of trauma from.that father of theirs.

Agree with those highlighting sexism in this thread. Two comments above 'they're famous because their Dads were famous' and 'Kris married two wealthy Men'.

All of the Kardashian Women are far, far more financially successful in their own right than Robert Kardashian and Bruce Jenner ever were, and largely far more financially successful than any of their partners / husbands have been.

I'm nowhere near a fan but I have had the show on as easy watching background hangover TV so I've seen some of it. Some of the stuff they do is downright questionable, other stuff I find reasonably admirable (see Kim's public silence on her ex-husbands mentally unstable taunting of her, and Khloe's size inclusivity in her fashion brand).

It does make me eye roll how many people on this thread first claim to barely have heard of them, but then immediately roll out a ream of negative opinions on them. What are your opinions formed from if you genuinely know nothing about them? Do you do the same with other subjects?

@Notsuretoputit

Yuri Lamabella has loads of those little Kardashian skits online. She’s bang on. Hilarious!

Not half as pathetic as following the shenanigans of a bunch of celebs famous for being famous.

Much more entertaining than the actual Kardashians

Well isn't it just a plotline for their reality show?

I mean the bar is so low it's on the floor.

Shame she couldn't have come to that conclusion first though isn't it. It's not like there's a lack of information out there.

So that's just buyers remorse though. She's not had some noble change of heart and become a campaigner.

Oh and didn't the dad say something like the hardest thing about being a woman is choosing what to wear.

I guess with that misogyny growing up they had no chance.

I'm cynical. I assume that guilt is because of backlash and protecting their brand.

Doesn't really help the little baby that she's so sowwee though.

I think we should be taking the Kardashian's very seriously. They are the very epitome of all that is wrong with the representation of women in the media.

We are normalising this terrifying and unnatural version of "beauty" and it needs to be challenged.

Not knowing who the Kardashian's are is doing young women a disservice. We should all know who they are to be able to explain to our DD's why they should not aspire to this notion of beauty.

Same should be said of all the women perpetuating this 'world view' of beauty. Botox, lip fillers, fake teeth and hair, tiny waists, big arses are not beautiful. Natural is beautiful.

Exactly what I know about them too. And they all have names starting with K. And their father used to be a male athlete, and is now winning woman of the year awards.

Have never seen their show, have no interest in their lives. Have never seen an episode of Towie, or Geordie Shore, or Made in CHelsea, or any of that style of TV. It's just not my thing - nothing snobbish about it.

I wouldn't call them businesswomen "in their own right" they were nepo babies and Kris married 2 wealthy men. She was definitely money savvy but they've not come from nothing.

Even if it has a low pass rate, taking four attempts to pass when you have all the time in the world to study and no pressures or money worries is hardly impressive. I agree with the rest of your comment, though.