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Is it ever OK to report anyone?

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PassingStranger · 07/04/2024 11:49

Following on from the TV licence thread is it ever OK to report for benefit fraud, car tax, TV licence, etc or does it always come back and bit you on the bum?

Would you be scared to do it?

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Universalsnail · 08/04/2024 12:05

I don't know why people can't seem to understand nuance surrounding severity of thing to be reported in this thread.

Grassing is wrong unless the thing you are grassing about is very serious where people are at direct risk of harm such as child abuse is not as hard a concept to understand as some people in this thread are making it out to be. I don't understand why people are having such a hard time with this concept.

Crumpleton · 08/04/2024 10:20

ScarlettSunset · 08/04/2024 08:53

Yes. This is exactly what happens in my street. I wouldn't notice them if they weren't blocking spaces for weeks at a time.

Traders are awful for doing this round our way, no place to sell their cars from so use up the side streets to park them, but fortunately the DVLA and Police do a sweep every so often and either remove or clamp them.

They also ticket those that get caught in the net that just haven't bothered with one or other of the legal requirements that go with owning a vehicle.

LakieLady · 08/04/2024 09:10

Garlicked · 07/04/2024 13:53

It isn't always true that if all's fine, no problem. A lunatic neighbour once reported me for housing benefit fraud. My benefit stopped while under investigation. It took longer than two months to issue a decision. I was evicted and homeless. My landlord eventually received the withheld rent payments, but by then my life had changed irreversibly. That busybody will never know the damage she caused.

PIP's usually stopped during investigation, too. This could cause incredible difficulties to a disabled person, even making them unable to work.

So sorry that happened to you, @Garlicked . Some people are just vile.

I've supported a few clients who've been investigated for benefits matters, and one (a vulnerable woman with a learning disability) nearly lost her home while her benefits were suspended. The decision to close her claims was overturned on appeal, but she never really got over it. It broke her.

She still lives in the same place and still has the neighbours that we think were probably the ones who reported her.

I hope that anyone considering reporting what they perceive to be benefit fraud is absolutely 100% sure of their facts before they do so. And there's no rule about someone staying over more than 3 nights a week!

PaperDoIIs · 08/04/2024 08:56

Safeguarding (in any form ) yes I would and I have.

Benefits... I did twice inadvertently, as in I rang about something else but when providing details I mentioned other occupants.

I also report fly tipping. Grin

YaMuvva · 08/04/2024 08:56

ScarlettSunset · 08/04/2024 08:53

Yes. This is exactly what happens in my street. I wouldn't notice them if they weren't blocking spaces for weeks at a time.

I live in a private road so the SORN is valid, but one neighbours son has a crappy old Subaru which is SORNED but parked in a way that means if I want to park either on the drive adjacent to my house or opposite my house/in front of the garage (we have 2 drives), it’s 100x harder because of this car. I have to suck it up but if I wasn’t on a private road I’d 100% report it.

ScarlettSunset · 08/04/2024 08:53

YaMuvva · 08/04/2024 08:34

I think that poster means a lot of cars just sit blocking and obstructing and are ever driven. Unless on private land these cars should be taxed and it’s a huge PITA when people just have old bangers lying around unused and unmoved.

Yes. This is exactly what happens in my street. I wouldn't notice them if they weren't blocking spaces for weeks at a time.

thenoisywasher · 08/04/2024 08:48

I have an acquaintance who is a bit of a fantasist and every few years seems to pop up with versions of a story that I know isn't true. In the latest version, he claims he trained in a regulated profession (100% not true but it sounds good!). He was giving out advice on social media so I had no qualms about anonymously reporting him to the regulatory body.

I don't know if they contacted him but I know he's now deleted the posts and all seems to have gone quiet.

YaMuvva · 08/04/2024 08:47

JosiePosey · 08/04/2024 08:44

What if a child was being an abused or a woman was being battered. Is it more wrong to ‘grass’ than to do something about it.

Thats not grassing someone up for something that has little to no baring on anyone else.

But ‘grassing is wrong’ right?

JosiePosey · 08/04/2024 08:44

YaMuvva · 08/04/2024 08:26

Grassing is wrong

Again - the scumbag’s charter. I can’t believe grown adults actually say this in seriousness.

Kids do not end up in care due to benefit sanctions. If anyone tells you that’s what happened to their kids they’re lying.

What if a child was being an abused or a woman was being battered. Is it more wrong to ‘grass’ than to do something about it.

What if a child was being an abused or a woman was being battered. Is it more wrong to ‘grass’ than to do something about it.

Thats not grassing someone up for something that has little to no baring on anyone else.

YaMuvva · 08/04/2024 08:34

DearSilverGirl · 08/04/2024 08:33

Do you mean you jot down people's number plates and look them up online to report? That is really odd. It's also information DVLA already have, because you got it from them Confused

I think that poster means a lot of cars just sit blocking and obstructing and are ever driven. Unless on private land these cars should be taxed and it’s a huge PITA when people just have old bangers lying around unused and unmoved.

YaMuvva · 08/04/2024 08:33

Samlewis96 · 08/04/2024 08:28

Oh FFS Ive never had the need to deal with that situation . I've never once said id ignore child abuse. Please tell me where I've said that not your assumptions for your own agenda.

It doesn’t matter that you’ve ‘never had the need’. Anyone decent with a scrap of morals and values - especially those with kids - wouldnt hesitate to say “yes of course I’d report child abuser”.

I find it odd that you wouldn’t just say “yes I’d report my GC being abused” because apparently you can’t know until you’ve been on that situation but you definitely know that you wouldn’t help out if you saw a child being murdered because “someone round these parts got stabbed for grassing”.

Extraordinary how all the teachers, social workers, family and friends who report abuse and make safeguarding referrals every day - you never hear of them being stabbed do you. But because a ‘grass’ (who was probably involved in criminal activity themsleves and are now saving their skin when caught) gets stabbed so you’d be happy to watch other children and families suffer

DearSilverGirl · 08/04/2024 08:33

ScarlettSunset · 08/04/2024 08:13

I've reported cars with no tax. That's because I live in a street where parking is a nightmare. If someone's not paying their tax, they don't get to take up a space as far as I'm concerned.

Do you mean you jot down people's number plates and look them up online to report? That is really odd. It's also information DVLA already have, because you got it from them Confused

DearSilverGirl · 08/04/2024 08:30

I'd never report someone for something like a TV licence. The way I see it is that people have the right to ignore the law and take the risk of being caught and the state has all sorts of powers to investigate and prosecute us- it doesn't need me helping out as a sort of volunteer enforcement officer.

It's completely different to reporting someone for eg child abuse (which I have done).

Samlewis96 · 08/04/2024 08:29

ScarlettSunset · 08/04/2024 08:13

I've reported cars with no tax. That's because I live in a street where parking is a nightmare. If someone's not paying their tax, they don't get to take up a space as far as I'm concerned.

The DVLA know the car isn't taxed though. It's hardly a secret

Samlewis96 · 08/04/2024 08:28

YaMuvva · 08/04/2024 08:09

Except you don’t deal with real situations because you’ve already said you’d ignore child abuse, even sexual abuse, and you’d do nothing about it because ‘snitches get stitches’ and for some reason, even though people make safeguarding referrals every day and remain completely safe, you’re scared of getting stabbed?

Oh FFS Ive never had the need to deal with that situation . I've never once said id ignore child abuse. Please tell me where I've said that not your assumptions for your own agenda.

YaMuvva · 08/04/2024 08:26

JosiePosey · 08/04/2024 08:22

Grassing is wrong. I could never do that, I'm a big believer in minding your own business and live and let live.

The woman down the road getting sanctioned and her kids possibly ending up in care will have no baring on the amount the government would hand out to the normal people so its all pointless vindictiveness anyway. It would just increase their coffers to syphon off, hand out to their mates or give away to other countries, so no, I would never grass on someone trying to get a little touch.

Grassing is wrong

Again - the scumbag’s charter. I can’t believe grown adults actually say this in seriousness.

Kids do not end up in care due to benefit sanctions. If anyone tells you that’s what happened to their kids they’re lying.

What if a child was being an abused or a woman was being battered. Is it more wrong to ‘grass’ than to do something about it.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 08/04/2024 08:25

If I definitely knew someone was gaily fiddling their benefits while clearly in no need, or e.g. subletting a council property while living elsewhere, I’d report them.

For not having a TV licence, no. As for car tax, I’d imagine they’d eventually be picked up anyway, now that so many police cars have automatic number plate recognition.

JosiePosey · 08/04/2024 08:22

Grassing is wrong. I could never do that, I'm a big believer in minding your own business and live and let live.

The woman down the road getting sanctioned and her kids possibly ending up in care will have no baring on the amount the government would hand out to the normal people so its all pointless vindictiveness anyway. It would just increase their coffers to syphon off, hand out to their mates or give away to other countries, so no, I would never grass on someone trying to get a little touch.

K37529 · 08/04/2024 08:16

I tend to just mind my own business

ScarlettSunset · 08/04/2024 08:13

I've reported cars with no tax. That's because I live in a street where parking is a nightmare. If someone's not paying their tax, they don't get to take up a space as far as I'm concerned.

YaMuvva · 08/04/2024 08:10

It why you don’t answer my questions - because anyone half decent would say “of course I’d report child abuse”.

I would give a VERY wide berth to anyone who wouldn’t immediately do this, you really aren’t safe to be around kids. I wonder if your DSs and DILs know you’d turn a blind eye if your GC were being abused.

YaMuvva · 08/04/2024 08:09

Samlewis96 · 08/04/2024 07:39

I'm just bored of your whataboutery. I deal will real situations not hypothetical ones. Now just shut up for God's sake you are as boring as hell

Except you don’t deal with real situations because you’ve already said you’d ignore child abuse, even sexual abuse, and you’d do nothing about it because ‘snitches get stitches’ and for some reason, even though people make safeguarding referrals every day and remain completely safe, you’re scared of getting stabbed?

AyrshireTryer · 08/04/2024 07:40

If a child or animal is being mistreated or is in danger - yes
Otherwise - no

Samlewis96 · 08/04/2024 07:39

YaMuvva · 07/04/2024 23:42

<bangs head against brick wall>

Do you know how to converse about things that could happen, not have or will happen?

The fact you don’t (apparently) know kids doesn’t matter - if you did, what would you do? It doesn’t take a whole lot of imagination to answer.

And I’ve already said - people see people harming children in the street, they hear their neighbours beating kids. They hear them trying to drown them. If you heard punches being blown and children begging a parent to stop as the blows continued, would you shrug and say “Well I really don’t know what that could be?”. If so - People like you who could help but instead feign naivety are the reason many children die in pain, scared and alone. (And don’t say “my neighbour doesn’t have kids” because it’s really not the point). Evil happens when good people do nothing. So many children who’ve died could have been saved in those around them had just spoken up.

How about this - I take it you love your grandchildren? Imagine they were being abused (and I don’t want to hear ‘that would never happen’ - it can and does). Let’s say at school or nursery, like what happened with Little Teds (and if they don’t go to school or nursery, which I’m sure you’ll say, bear in mind they will one day be in the care of adults away from parents) and they were harmed, sexually abused or even killed. Imagine if someone knew about it, and did nothing because they were scared of getting thumped over it. How would you feel? Would you say “fair enough seems reasonable?”. Or would you have expected them to do something?

I'm just bored of your whataboutery. I deal will real situations not hypothetical ones. Now just shut up for God's sake you are as boring as hell

Meadowfinch · 07/04/2024 23:55

Of course it is ok. The operative word is fraud.

If someone is claiming they are disabled and claiming full benefits, then using the money to nip off the Verbier skiing, of course I'd report them.

That money should be going to genuine claimants who desperately need more help.

TV licence, no, I wouldn't bother.

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