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To think he should have booked annual leave

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BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 07/04/2024 11:24

Quick overview - ex went to court for a court order in regards to seeing our youngest. Judge wanted to know why he’d bothered, as he asked for less than he was currently being offered, but whatever. Long story short, according to the order, school holidays should be split 50/50 (in addition to some weekends in term time). Ex doesn’t really abide by this, and this year DD (now15) will spend just three weeks (out of the fourteen weeks school holidays) with him and his new partner, this last week was one of the three. She returned last night, and has just mentioned that she spent the whole week bored in her room, on her own, as her DF didn’t book any annual leave, and she can’t meet up with friends while she is staying there due to logistics, transport and distance. AIBU to think that if he’s going to insist she goes for a week, that he should at least book annual leave? I really want her to have a good relationship with him, but it feels as if he thwarts it at every turn. She seems less and less bothered about going at all, but I don’t want to be the one to say categorically that at her age she now has a choice, as I worry it could be classed as “parental alienation” - I’ve always just been quite matter of fact about following the court order as if it’s a “given” rather than a discussion.
(and yes, I know I can’t FORCE him to do anything, such as spend more time with our DD)

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sparkellie · 07/04/2024 17:17

brocollilover · 07/04/2024 16:51

so if that is the situation

baffling that you haven’t discussed this with her
or seemed to have had any contact with her beyond “hi” in the 3 weeks she was at her dad’s

I think she was there a week. The 3 weeks is the total amount of holiday the dad is having her for over the year.

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 07/04/2024 17:13

LIZS · 07/04/2024 16:47

At 15 cannot she entertain herself for a few hours? What does she do at home, are you around all the time?

It’s not about whether she can entertain herself, or course she can 😂. I just find it sad that her father doesn’t choose to spend the little time he COULD spend with her, actually spending time with her. He’d prefer to use his annual leave when she isn’t around.

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brocollilover · 07/04/2024 16:51

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 07/04/2024 16:35

Thank you. That’s exactly the situation.

so if that is the situation

baffling that you haven’t discussed this with her
or seemed to have had any contact with her beyond “hi” in the 3 weeks she was at her dad’s

LIZS · 07/04/2024 16:47

At 15 cannot she entertain herself for a few hours? What does she do at home, are you around all the time?

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 07/04/2024 16:36

brocollilover · 07/04/2024 16:18

is this the first year he’s done so?!

and i’d be more concerned that my teen didn’t pick up phone to me to say bored and lonely in one course of 3 weeks!

You don’t seem to have any real points to make tbh, so I’m going to stop replying to you now. You can troll someone else’s post.

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BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 07/04/2024 16:35

Theunamedcat · 07/04/2024 16:17

Honestly does no-one think that she has been told there is a court order that "must"be complied with? If my children are told that there is an official bit of paper saying you must do this or else they do it my son dragged himself into school feeling sick as a dog because he didn't want to get me into trouble I caught the same bug it nearly fucking floored me

Basically
Some children don't moan if they are told they have no choice it doesn't make them happy about the situation

Thank you. That’s exactly the situation.

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BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 07/04/2024 16:35

brocollilover · 07/04/2024 16:15

and…. he wasn’t leaving her alone at previous years?

does she have any half siblings at his?

No half siblings - one step brother who is in the army and not around

I don’t think they’ve left her alone for work on previous visits.

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brocollilover · 07/04/2024 16:19

Theunamedcat · 07/04/2024 16:17

Honestly does no-one think that she has been told there is a court order that "must"be complied with? If my children are told that there is an official bit of paper saying you must do this or else they do it my son dragged himself into school feeling sick as a dog because he didn't want to get me into trouble I caught the same bug it nearly fucking floored me

Basically
Some children don't moan if they are told they have no choice it doesn't make them happy about the situation

not at almost 16, no

brocollilover · 07/04/2024 16:18

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 07/04/2024 16:17

Cross posted
OK so you think I’m being unreasonable to expect her dad to want to spend time with his daughter, during the three weeks she spends with him. Thanks for your opinion. I take it on board. It just makes me sad.

is this the first year he’s done so?!

and i’d be more concerned that my teen didn’t pick up phone to me to say bored and lonely in one course of 3 weeks!

Theunamedcat · 07/04/2024 16:17

Honestly does no-one think that she has been told there is a court order that "must"be complied with? If my children are told that there is an official bit of paper saying you must do this or else they do it my son dragged himself into school feeling sick as a dog because he didn't want to get me into trouble I caught the same bug it nearly fucking floored me

Basically
Some children don't moan if they are told they have no choice it doesn't make them happy about the situation

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 07/04/2024 16:17

brocollilover · 07/04/2024 16:15

my point?

shes 15
she didn’t contact you during her week of boredom
she had no plans that week anyway
presumably had a load of revision to do
and has never in 7 years said she does not want to go to bed dad’s

sje said she was “bored”. no biggie. both my teens have been bored last week too 😆

Cross posted
OK so you think I’m being unreasonable to expect her dad to want to spend time with his daughter, during the three weeks she spends with him. Thanks for your opinion. I take it on board. It just makes me sad.

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brocollilover · 07/04/2024 16:16

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 07/04/2024 16:15

I’m still none the wiser as to what your point is, sorry.

oh good grief

can another poster help me out here please 😆

brocollilover · 07/04/2024 16:15

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 07/04/2024 16:14

Most years she has been to him for four weeks. I book all my annual leave during school holidays, and enlist other family members to help out when needed.

and…. he wasn’t leaving her alone at previous years?

does she have any half siblings at his?

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 07/04/2024 16:15

brocollilover · 07/04/2024 16:13

well she was 15 late last year 🤷

I’m still none the wiser as to what your point is, sorry.

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brocollilover · 07/04/2024 16:15

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 07/04/2024 16:13

Well, 15 isn’t very far away from 16 😂 but equally she’s just over 14 🤷‍♀️😂
I’m not really sure what you point you were trying to make tbh. As I said previously the CAO has been in place (and mostly ignored) since she was 8 years old for the very reason that we could have covered the holidays between us.

my point?

shes 15
she didn’t contact you during her week of boredom
she had no plans that week anyway
presumably had a load of revision to do
and has never in 7 years said she does not want to go to bed dad’s

sje said she was “bored”. no biggie. both my teens have been bored last week too 😆

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 07/04/2024 16:14

brocollilover · 07/04/2024 16:12

what’s happened over the last 7/8 school years since you split?

Most years she has been to him for four weeks. I book all my annual leave during school holidays, and enlist other family members to help out when needed.

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brocollilover · 07/04/2024 16:13

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 07/04/2024 16:13

Well, 15 isn’t very far away from 16 😂 but equally she’s just over 14 🤷‍♀️😂
I’m not really sure what you point you were trying to make tbh. As I said previously the CAO has been in place (and mostly ignored) since she was 8 years old for the very reason that we could have covered the holidays between us.

well she was 15 late last year 🤷

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 07/04/2024 16:13

brocollilover · 07/04/2024 16:07

she’s 15 OP.

and not far off 16 according to your other thread

Edited

Well, 15 isn’t very far away from 16 😂 but equally she’s just over 14 🤷‍♀️😂
I’m not really sure what you point you were trying to make tbh. As I said previously the CAO has been in place (and mostly ignored) since she was 8 years old for the very reason that we could have covered the holidays between us.

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brocollilover · 07/04/2024 16:12

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 07/04/2024 16:06

Thank you. I suppose that part of my worry is that as she is with me for eleven weeks of the school holidays, there is no way that I can take annual leave for most of it. I get five weeks, while he gets seven, so between us I had originally hoped we’d be able to “cover” the vast majority of the time.

what’s happened over the last 7/8 school years since you split?

RandomMess · 07/04/2024 16:12

At 15 she doesn't need looking after in the holidays surely?

brocollilover · 07/04/2024 16:11

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 07/04/2024 16:09

As I’ve already explained, she doesn’t make other plans when she’s staying with her father.

so she had no plans that week anyway
surely she had a load of revision to do?

brocollilover · 07/04/2024 16:10

Now, she tends to just mention that she was “bored”. Maybe I do need to have a conversation with her about it. As you say, she’s older now.

she either doesn’t want to tell you she doesn’t want to go, which at almost 16 would be odd and concerning
or
shes chilled about. Had no plans that week. Got bored but likely would have done at home anyway!

does he have other children? a partner? how far does he live from you?

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 07/04/2024 16:09

brocollilover · 07/04/2024 16:07

unreasonable to expect him to take time off to spend with his daughter? not at all

but if she’d had plans that week or wanted to come home… she’d have contacted you. She didn’t.

As I’ve already explained, she doesn’t make other plans when she’s staying with her father.

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brocollilover · 07/04/2024 16:07

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 07/04/2024 16:06

Thank you. I suppose that part of my worry is that as she is with me for eleven weeks of the school holidays, there is no way that I can take annual leave for most of it. I get five weeks, while he gets seven, so between us I had originally hoped we’d be able to “cover” the vast majority of the time.

she’s 15 OP.

and not far off 16 according to your other thread

brocollilover · 07/04/2024 16:07

unreasonable to expect him to take time off to spend with his daughter? not at all

but if she’d had plans that week or wanted to come home… she’d have contacted you. She didn’t.

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