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Divorcing a teacher

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MarioBrothers · 07/04/2024 11:12

I'm splitting from my husband. We are only at the start. He is a teacher and arguing for almost all school holidays as I will need to use childcare and summer camps as I work full time. He is arguing it makes more sense just for him to have them for the whole of the holidays with me having weekends during all school holidays. DC are 5 and 6. He is also arguing this is reason for him to stay in family home and for me to rent somewhere.

AIBU to say I still want normal arrangements during holidays? He says yes, becasue I would be paying for childcare - which is true at least some of the time as only have 25 days leave.

We haven't even worked out a schedule yet and still living together but this is one the first arguments that has come up.

AIBU to think that even if I have to use childcare, it's not fair on the kids to be separated from me for the whole of holidays (excdept for weekends).

OP posts:
Scrunshine · 07/04/2024 17:49

We have a similar situation. The way we work it is that we keep the usual custody arrangements in the school holidays. However if one of us wants DSS for a week because we’re going away then we can ask for that and it’s usually agreed to. With the other parent getting a full week in return regardless of whether or not they are going away. We do keep holidays to a max of one week. Also if the teacher parent wants to see DSS more they can offer to provide the childcare needed during the day (but DSS returns to other parent in the evening of their custody days)

jeaux90 · 07/04/2024 17:45

If you have flexi working and can work at home then no reason to not do 50/50 in the holidays then.

I'm a lone parent and exactly what I did, pick DD up at 3, she then chilled whilst I did a bit more work.

Shes 14 now so easily looks after herself when I'm WFH but the early years was a lot of juggling summer activities which is preferable to them mooching at home.

Keep with the 50/50 no reason not to. No reason to also risk CM or the house situation too.

NeverBeforeToday · 07/04/2024 17:41

Clubs are only part of the day. I can see why OP would want them to be at clubs and then spend say 1500 to bedtime with them if possible. It will be too much to be away from them practically the whole summer.

Not sure why she should get the house though…

Zyq · 07/04/2024 17:38

How about proposing an arrangement whereby the children are with you for all weekends and Bank Holidays that happen during school vacations (with perhaps a separate arrangement for Christmas) plus two weeks in the summer and, say, another week some other time of year - plus odd special days such as birthdays. If you can arrange to WFH on Fridays and/or Mondays, you could perhaps extend weekends by an extra day or two.

Zyq · 07/04/2024 17:35

honeylulu · 07/04/2024 11:50

Is no one reading what OP has written? Her kids like holiday clubs and would prefer to go there than be at home. Mine are the same and so was I as a child - no clubs but bored rigid stuck at home and desperate to get back to school! Considering that preference, there is no reason why the holidays can't be split between parents. Dad won't have to pay for childcare on his weeks, mum will (though obviously she can use annual leave for some of it), fair enough.

Cynically, it sounds like dad is engineering things so he can keep the house and claim maintenance from OP. Oh yes, and have every weekend free to please himself. He might change his tune in a year or so when he realises he can't go on holiday with his new girlfriend because he has his kids every weekend ...

I'd seriously question whether the children really would prefer to be in a holiday club all day every day during the holidays, especially in the summer. Surely they need some time just to chill at home without having other kids around them all the time, being expected to take part in activities etc etc.

Zyq · 07/04/2024 17:29

Pixilicious1 · 07/04/2024 11:24

Why on earth does he think you wouldn’t want to see your children for the whole summer holiday. He’s bonkers.

That's not what is being proposed. Read the OP.

Redpaisley · 07/04/2024 17:27

MarioBrothers · 07/04/2024 11:26

Yes, I would take my leave during summer, but i don't have enough to cover 50% of easter, half terms, xmas, summer. But I think we should just keep to alternative weeks and that if i need to use summer clubs then fine. They like clubs with all their friends from school more than sitting at home all day. But perhaps i'm letting emotion cloud my judgement

So they would just be sitting at home when with dad during holidays?

Haruka · 07/04/2024 17:07

mikado1 · 07/04/2024 12:07

Sounds like a great and well thought out arrangement. Do/did your kids really miss you over a whole week apart?

Initially, yes.

It's been like this a fair few years now and it works out well for all of us now. The two/ 3 weeks are still much harder, but the oldest is a teen now and we chat on the phone pretty much all the time anyway.

I find it gives me important decompression time to be away from the kids. Time to get on with my own job, have some me-time, time to sort the house out and yet be able to spend quality time with the kids when I have them, because I'm refreshed.

And he gets that, too, even though he rarely has them all to himself and seems to need a stream of visitors to keep himself/ them occupied when they're with him. But this way they, too, get the best of both worlds.

Dreamstosell · 07/04/2024 16:57

If the summer holidays are 6 weeks long and you’re doing 50:50 that’s 3 weeks each (21 days). So you use 2 weeks annual leave and the other 4 weeks he has them Monday to Friday and you have them weekends. The 4 weekends amount to 8 days so with your annual leave that would be 22 days. So you’d actually have them more than him

spriots · 07/04/2024 16:51

I think the house is a red herring - if you plan to share custody approximately 50:50, you will both need to have somewhere to live that can have your children as well. Unless you have a lot of joint savings, chances are that neither of you will be able to stay in the house and you'll both need to get cheaper places

C8H10N4O2 · 07/04/2024 16:43

MarioBrothers · 07/04/2024 12:07

Thank you for advice. Few answers

My job is full on but flexible, and i work from home a lot. i would be picking them up from clubs at 3/4pm and then i could work in the evenings when they're in bed.

They used to go to clubs during holidays even though H is teacher to give him some 'me time'. He now says he doesn't want this 'me time' & he is happy to have them Monday - Friday for the whole 6 weeks.

He is far more likely to be aruging for CMS off me, than the other way round.

Maybe it does make sense to take him at his word that he geniunely wants to have them for 6 whole weeks (except weekends) but i don't think that is best for kids. I will be miss them but I am really trying to think what is best for them, not me. He takes them to park but he also puts on a lot of youtube. He also doesn't plan ahead and DS struggles a lot with not doing what he is doing from one day to next.

Based on this I'd be sticking to the term time arrangements plus holiday clubs.

Who is he expecting to cover those random days during term time - training days, sick kids etc?

Shrodingershousemove · 07/04/2024 16:42

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 07/04/2024 16:41

oh so does he want all of the fun times, and none of the responsibility of the normal school week times ?!!!

The school week is easy compared to the tail end of the school holidays with bored tweenagers

Yalta · 07/04/2024 16:41

TwirlyWhirlie · 07/04/2024 16:24

Let your kids spend the time with their dad, they’ll enjoy it.

Of course they will. He won’t be supervising there homework or getting them to school and doing pack lunches and all the grunt work and disciplining

He gets to be a Disney dad and keep the house whilst op will be in rented.

He doesn’t want her to have a single holiday with their dc

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 07/04/2024 16:41

oh so does he want all of the fun times, and none of the responsibility of the normal school week times ?!!!

maddening · 07/04/2024 16:40

Ps if you can arrange 6 weeks annual leave and cover one week with family then that is half the school holidays

JackSpaniels · 07/04/2024 16:39

FacingTheWall · 07/04/2024 14:55

Pretty sure teachers are actually [ie contractually] meant to ‘work’ during the school holidays - marking, lesson planning, resource designing and the odd in person or on-line CPE/training?

Contractually it’s literally the opposite of this. Teacher contracts specify 1265 hours over 195 ‘directed’ days. Most teachers do work in the holidays but can’t be directed to do so.

Headteachers are contracted all year round but not teachers

maddening · 07/04/2024 16:39

You have annual leave so his argument is shite.

I would push for 50/50 and sell the home to split the proceeds to each go your own way.

Yalta · 07/04/2024 16:36

DreadPirateRobots · 07/04/2024 12:02

She'd have them every weekend and would be working during the week anyway.

So when would she take them on holiday?

ZoeCM · 07/04/2024 16:35

It makes far more sense for him to take them over the holidays. I'd have been distraught if I'd been sent to childcare while one of my parents wasn't even at work! Can't believe you'd even consider it.

It sounds as though this is a control thing on your part, to be frank. You'd rather the kids were in childcare than with your ex - their own dad.

TwirlyWhirlie · 07/04/2024 16:24

Let your kids spend the time with their dad, they’ll enjoy it.

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 07/04/2024 16:23

I would give him maybe a year tops before he’s completely exhausted and over having no holiday time without his kids in tow. Less if he meets someone else, I guarantee you, this problem will go away.

the house though, you fight for 70% of the house at minimum.

Poppinjay · 07/04/2024 16:21

Does he live close enough to have the children until 3.00 each day then you take them for the evenings and overnights? Basically he provides the childcare during the time you would have them but be working.

That way they are cared for by the parent who is available but don't end up effectively moving in with him for six weeks.

sparkellie · 07/04/2024 16:05

jeaux90 · 07/04/2024 12:09

50/50 doesn't have to mean alternate weeks, though. It could mean he gets more of the holidays, but she gets more weekends through the year.

Ok so OP gets to work all week then childcare more weekends.

This is not fair.

Only in the same way it's not fair that in term time he would be working all week and having the kids at the weekend surely? I think his holiday arrangement sounds reasonable. The idea that it would mean he kept the house is ridiculous, there's less holiday than term time, so in theory op should get the house. In reality they probably need to negotiate this via mediation.

ittakes2 · 07/04/2024 15:58

why don't you just also add in some overnights during school holidays? Pick them up after work and drop back in the morning on way to work.

Angelsrose · 07/04/2024 15:56

Half of the holidays each is fair